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MartG

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Thursday 22nd February 2018
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Seems to have little or no damage from water landing - perhaps they could just pick them out of the water rather than trying to catch them ?

Eric Mc

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Thursday 22nd February 2018
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Was that after it parachuted gently into the water?

MartG

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Thursday 22nd February 2018
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Eric Mc said:
Was that after it parachuted gently into the water?
Yes - missed Mr Steven the recovery boat by about 100m

MartG

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Thursday 22nd February 2018
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CraigyMc

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237 months

Thursday 22nd February 2018
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MartG said:
No idea why, but this made me lolsnort. Well done.

MartG

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Thursday 22nd February 2018
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"Ken Eberhardt All we need to do now is put a motor and a GPS system on it and it could drive itself back home."

Brilliant idea !

Beati Dogu

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140 months

Thursday 22nd February 2018
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MartG said:
loudlashadjuster said:
Presumably the USAF money aimed at the use of the VAB?
SpaceX couldn't use Pad 39A for a vehicle erected in the VAB as their horizontal integration building blocks the old crawlerway between the pad and the VAB. LC40 is not accessible from the VAB.

If they were to follow the NASA model of VAB and mobile launcher carrying a vertical launcher, all three current facilities ( 2 in Florida, one at Vandenberg ) would require a new VAB to be built, and a new mobile launcher to be developed and built - the one for 39A would need to be able to keep the payload vertical while ascending the slope to the pad.

Much simpler & cheaper to continue moving the launcher to the pad horizontally, then fitting the payload once the vehicle is vertical.
That's what ULA do with the Delta IV and Delta IV Heavy. Any prep and assembly work (e.g. side boosters in the case of the Heavy) is completed in the Horizontal Integration Facility. Then they're towed out to the pad and raised vertical, without the payload section.

At Pad 37 at the Cape, they have a 300 ft tall building (The MST - Mobile Service Tower) that envelopes the rockets and allows them to install the payload section safely inside. Once they've done that, the entire building jacks up and slowly retreats 345 ft on rails, leaving the completed rocket stack connected to the umbilicals from the nearby launch tower.

For the Atlas V, the integration of payload and any solid boosters is done in a fixed Vertical Integration Facility. Then they move the upright rocket stack on its launch platform to the pad on rails. This is at SLC-41 at the Cape.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4yz-U-icgPE

They have equivalent facilities at Vandenberg in California.
The Delta IV buildings there were built for the Shuttle (for $4 billion), but never used for that.

I'm not sure how SpaceX can do the same thing without spending a bucket load of cash too. I wonder how many of these sensitive satellites are built by Lockheed or Boeing.

CraigyMc

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237 months

Thursday 22nd February 2018
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Beati Dogu said:
I wonder how many of these sensitive satellites are built by Lockheed or Boeing.
They are all (the KH-11s, that is) Lockheed.
They've built *at least* 16 of them. 1 failed to make orbit, and 15 went to LEO.
Boeing failed to deliver on the followup contract to build similar but smaller platforms, so the NRO tore it up and gave more work to Lockheed in the form of a pair of new KH-11s.
Lockheed were subsequently given the contract for the followup generation of NRO sats that Boeing didn't deliver. It's a pair of these that were donated to NASA.

AJLintern

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264 months

Thursday 22nd February 2018
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I wonder if they've considered building an underground silo to build rockets in... could then be raised up for launching so the build area doesn't get destroyed if the rocket blows up on the pad smile

RobDickinson

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255 months

Thursday 22nd February 2018
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Is there a handy spare extinct volcano for it too?

MartG

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Thursday 22nd February 2018
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RobDickinson said:
Is there a handy spare extinct volcano for it too?
rofl

Kccv23highliftcam

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76 months

Thursday 22nd February 2018
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Tintin A & B will attempt to beam “hello world” in about 22 hours when they pass near LA

https://mobile.twitter.com/elonmusk/status/9667061...

Edited by Kccv23highliftcam on Thursday 22 February 20:48

MartG

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205 months

Thursday 22nd February 2018
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Seriously though, it wouldn't take that much to add a removeable protective shed to the top end of the transporter/erector would it ?

Transport the launcher out horizontally, raise erect, do the static test fire, lay it down, assemble the shed and raise it erect again - maybe add some guy wires for stability. Open one side of the shed, lift the payload up by crane and place atop the launcher, close shed door. Once payload is integrated to the booster disassemble the shed, lowering the parts by crane, then launch as normal

p1stonhead

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168 months

Friday 23rd February 2018
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MartG said:
Eric Mc said:
Was that after it parachuted gently into the water?
Yes - missed Mr Steven the recovery boat by about 100m
The boat is amazing hehe


Efbe

9,251 posts

167 months

Friday 23rd February 2018
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p1stonhead said:
The boat is amazing hehe
That does look incredible.

Anyone know how it works? is it like the rockets where computers take over and do everything?

Eric Mc

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266 months

Friday 23rd February 2018
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A parawing is steerable (that's why performance parachute teams use them). I guess there is some sort of actuation system which pulls on the parawing risers which allows the parawing to fly towards the boat and drop into the "mit".

Edited by Eric Mc on Friday 23 February 08:54

RobDickinson

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255 months

Friday 23rd February 2018
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I think mr stevens can be driven remotely but not sure

SystemParanoia

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199 months

Friday 23rd February 2018
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Anyone know TINTIN's orbital path ?

AJLintern

4,202 posts

264 months

Friday 23rd February 2018
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Perhaps they should try dropping some cheap dummy fairings out of a Hercules to test their retrieval technique smile

CraigyMc

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237 months

Friday 23rd February 2018
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AJLintern said:
Perhaps they should try dropping some cheap dummy fairings out of a Hercules to test their retrieval technique smile
The fairing is 5.2m wide.

A Hercules cargo bay is 3m wide.

I think you see the problem.
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