Climate Change - The Scientific Debate (Vol. II)

Climate Change - The Scientific Debate (Vol. II)

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grumbledoak

31,545 posts

234 months

Monday 12th March 2018
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Toltec said:
1990-91 lasted longer too, this was barely a week, I think people are just getting less tolerant of anything interrupting their normal routines and expect someone to fix it quickly.
I think you are confusing sensationalist media headlines and the real world. Mostly people just get on with their lives, as they always did. The Beast From The East Be Very Afraid Weather was not really anything that extraordinary.

Toltec

7,161 posts

224 months

Monday 12th March 2018
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grumbledoak said:
Toltec said:
1990-91 lasted longer too, this was barely a week, I think people are just getting less tolerant of anything interrupting their normal routines and expect someone to fix it quickly.
I think you are confusing sensationalist media headlines and the real world. Mostly people just get on with their lives, as they always did. The Beast From The East Be Very Afraid Weather was not really anything that extraordinary.
Sorry, I had 'some people' in my head and just failed to type it. You are right, media hype doesn't help either.

Kawasicki

13,093 posts

236 months

Monday 19th March 2018
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Global warming scare is due to a basic physics error...

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2018/03/19/global-warm...

Globs

13,841 posts

232 months

Monday 19th March 2018
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Kawasicki said:
Global warming scare is due to a basic physics error...

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2018/03/19/global-warm...
WattsUp said:
There is indeed an elementary error of physics right at the heart of the models’ calculations of equilibrium sensitivity. After correcting that error, and on the generous assumption that official climatology has made no error other than that which we have exposed, global warming will not be 3.3 ± 1.2 K: it will be only 1.2 ± 0.15 K.
There's an even bigger, more basic error than that.
AGW is based on an equilibrium equation but the 'incoming energy from the sun' side is an unknown.
Thus it is not solvable.

The reason the incoming radiative energy from the sun is unknown is because the clouds determine around 60% of the 'reflectiveness' (albedo) of the planet. The albedo changes as the clouds move, appear and dissipate. This is the unknown.

It's also worth noting that besides not being able to predict albedo changes due to cloud changes, the actual albedo measurement of planet earth is not known to more than an error or around 10% at any given time.

So before you even get close to ANY climate model, you are starting with an equation you can never solve. QED.
Super elementary error that any junior algebra student could spot.

Edited by Globs on Wednesday 21st March 09:21

Beati Dogu

8,896 posts

140 months

Tuesday 20th March 2018
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It was never about science.

4x4Tyke

6,506 posts

133 months

Saturday 24th March 2018
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Kawasicki said:
Global warming scare is due to a basic physics error...

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2018/03/19/global-warm...
His claim is that emissions have no ambient temperature, which is absurd, much like his previous outlandish claims like curing AIDS, Flu & Herpes and being member of the house of Lords. A crank for hire.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Monckton...


Gandahar

9,600 posts

129 months

Saturday 7th April 2018
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Going from science to statistics, what is the ratio of climate skeptics in the USA compared to the rest of the world bloggers? By blog per area land mass.

I am thinking it tells us more about the bloggers than the actual science.


Gandahar

9,600 posts

129 months

Friday 13th April 2018
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Globs said:
Jinx said:
the weather patterns are different than in recent past years (hence the beast from the east)
What was unusual about the 'beast from the east'?
Didn't have the same in 2010?
I also remember the same back in the 1980s.

Mind you, they didn't give them stupid names then so that was a lot better.
Being a science thread I think you need to put up some stats about 2010 and a rather large time scale of "back in the 80's" for it being a lot colder.

Otherwise I can just say ->

Actually you are wrong, the Beast from the East was a lot colder than 2010 and "the 80s" ...

Prove me wrong.

Is this the science thread or the old wives tails and way back when it was my rose tinted glasses and you have never lived thread?

Gandahar

9,600 posts

129 months

Friday 13th April 2018
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Toltec said:
Globs said:
What was unusual about the 'beast from the east'?
Didn't have the same in 2010?
I also remember the same back in the 1980s.

Mind you, they didn't give them stupid names then so that was a lot better.
1990-91 lasted longer too, this was barely a week, I think people are just getting less tolerant of anything interrupting their normal routines and expect someone to fix it quickly.
1990-91 lasted longer did it?

Stats please

Feel free to do a comparison graph.


Gandahar

9,600 posts

129 months

Friday 13th April 2018
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Kawasicki said:
Global warming scare is due to a basic physics error...

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2018/03/19/global-warm...
In refute I can only write

"Christopher Monckton of Brenchley"

I rest my case.

Perhaps quote a scientist next time?

Gandahar

9,600 posts

129 months

Friday 13th April 2018
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Current Antarctic and Arctic current sea ice extents and global extent

https://ads.nipr.ac.jp/vishop/#/extent







Toltec

7,161 posts

224 months

Saturday 14th April 2018
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Gandahar said:
1990-91 lasted longer did it?

Stats please

Feel free to do a comparison graph.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Winter_of_1990%E2%80...


jet_noise

5,655 posts

183 months

Saturday 14th April 2018
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Gandahar said:
Kawasicki said:
Global warming scare is due to a basic physics error...

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2018/03/19/global-warm...
In refute I can only write

"Christopher Monckton of Brenchley"

I rest my case.

Perhaps quote a scientist next time?
Appeal to authority plea fail.

grumbledoak

31,545 posts

234 months

Saturday 14th April 2018
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Is it not just half-cut picking a fight fail? rofl

LongQ

13,864 posts

234 months

Friday 4th May 2018
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http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-4399...

Freshwater lakes as the source of Methane.

Never mind - just drain them as much as possible and then let what moisture is left evaporate.

Problem solved.

Atomic12C

5,180 posts

218 months

Friday 4th May 2018
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It would seem most of the general public are convinced of Man Made Global Warming due to one simple argument.... this is "how do you explain away the dramatic rise of global temperatures since the industrial revolution" ?

This seems to be what everyone "falls back on" when the intricacies of the numerous branches of science that are involved in providing a 'big picture' become a bit much.


Jinx

11,394 posts

261 months

Friday 4th May 2018
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Atomic12C said:
It would seem most of the general public are convinced of Man Made Global Warming due to one simple argument.... this is "how do you explain away the dramatic rise of global temperatures since the industrial revolution" ?

This seems to be what everyone "falls back on" when the intricacies of the numerous branches of science that are involved in providing a 'big picture' become a bit much.
Of course the "how do you explain the dramatic fall in temperatures since the Roman warm period?" - damn Roman's what have they ever done for us?

LongQ

13,864 posts

234 months

Friday 4th May 2018
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A simple message assuredly delivered usually works.

"Right men, when the whistle blows you climb those ladders and go over the top and run that way. The you defeat the enemy and we all go home."

A seemingly ex forces chap told me a story yesterday about well trained troops being delivered into battle by landing craft under fire.

The troops were all ready to disembark waiting for the ramp to drop.

The craft beached, the ramp dropped and the man in charge of the craft said, in the heat of battle, something like "Right, get off my effing craft now". And nobody moved. At least until someone shouted "Go". The training and conditioning they had received had worked so well that only the very specific command word produced a reaction.

Hence, a few years ago, there was a trailing document in circulation called "Warm Words". It was directed at all who were likely to produce press releases, speeches and any form of communication about the Global Warming message to try to ensure that the entire movement was using and repeating exactly the same set of consistent and emotive words a phrases in order to deliver a constant message that would become ingrained due to perpetual repetition.

I have no doubt that it worked rather well.

durbster

10,288 posts

223 months

Friday 4th May 2018
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LongQ said:
It was directed at all who were likely to produce press releases, speeches and any form of communication about the Global Warming message to try to ensure that the entire movement was using and repeating exactly the same set of consistent and emotive words a phrases in order to deliver a constant message that would become ingrained due to perpetual repetition.

I have no doubt that it worked rather well.
You're talking about turbobloke, right?