Climate Change - The Scientific Debate (Vol. II)

[hairykrishna]

jet_noise said:

Yes. Isn't it wonderful to see such a dialogue.

It doesn't seem that useful. It's not really a case of peers debating the finer points of the science is it? He's made an elementary error which he can't accept.

I note from a skim through his huge folder of reviewers comments and rejections that people have been pointing this out for years to no avail. It doesn't seem to have the reviews from the journal that finally decided to publish it.

Edited by hairykrishna on Tuesday 17th September 10:22

[Gadgetmac]

kerplunk said:

jet_noise said:

Gadgetmac said:

PRTVR said:

https://youtu.be/Esl4CpPmClw

Don't know if this information has been posted before but appears interesting.
Irish scientists debunking Man Made Climate Change.

Well it would do were the individuals concerned qualified in climate science.

Their “peer reviewed” papers are, as usual, not actually peer reviewed at all. Drop by their website and you yourself can apparently “peer review” their offerings.

<snip>

Shall I start quoting Greta Thunberg?

Look harder.
The paper is formally published and peer reviewed here AFAIK.

lol, look harder yourself - different author and different paper.

[robinessex]

Gadgetmac said:

kerplunk said:

jet_noise said:

Gadgetmac said:

PRTVR said:

https://youtu.be/Esl4CpPmClw

Don't know if this information has been posted before but appears interesting.
Irish scientists debunking Man Made Climate Change.

Well it would do were the individuals concerned qualified in climate science.

Their “peer reviewed” papers are, as usual, not actually peer reviewed at all. Drop by their website and you yourself can apparently “peer review” their offerings.

<snip>

Shall I start quoting Greta Thunberg?

Look harder.
The paper is formally published and peer reviewed here AFAIK.

lol, look harder yourself - different author and different paper.

Is Specsavers near you? YOU GOT IT WRONG

Both links

This:-

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2019/09/07/propagation...

Leads to here:-

https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/feart...

[Gadgetmac]

robinessex said:

Is Specsavers near you? YOU GOT IT WRONG

Both links

This:-

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2019/09/07/propagation...

Leads to here:-

https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/feart...

I'm not setting the name Connolly in either of those two links. What am I missing?

[jet_noise]

robinessex said:

Is Specsavers near you? YOU GOT IT WRONG

Both links

This:-

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2019/09/07/propagation...

Leads to here:-

https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/feart...

Gadget was quite right here, robin - his youtube video and my link to a published paper do indeed refer to different things. It is this difference to which he was referring I think. And I acknowledged it thus:

jet_noise said:

Oops!
There are so many Irish sceptical scientists producing so many papers it's difficult to keep track

[robinessex]

Gadgetmac said:

robinessex said:

Is Specsavers near you? YOU GOT IT WRONG

Both links

This:-

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2019/09/07/propagation...

Leads to here:-

https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/feart...

I'm not setting the name Connolly in either of those two links. What am I missing?

How should I know?

[anonymous-user]

robinessex said:

Gadgetmac said:

robinessex said:

Is Specsavers near you? YOU GOT IT WRONG

Both links

This:-

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2019/09/07/propagation...

Leads to here:-

https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/feart...

I'm not setting the name Connolly in either of those two links. What am I missing?

How should I know?

Oh dear Robin, stick to what you know, which isn’t much except endlessly ranting about the bbc in the politics thread.

Always amusing when one of you cult members, fired up with your own propaganda and being in an echo chamber too long, blunder into a scientific thread though.

[robinessex]

El stovey said:

robinessex said:

Gadgetmac said:

robinessex said:

Is Specsavers near you? YOU GOT IT WRONG

Both links

This:-

https://wattsupwiththat.com/2019/09/07/propagation...

Leads to here:-

https://www.frontiersin.org/articles/10.3389/feart...

I'm not setting the name Connolly in either of those two links. What am I missing?

How should I know?

Oh dear Robin, stick to what you know, which isn’t much except endlessly ranting about the bbc in the politics thread.

Always amusing when one of you cult members, fired up with your own propaganda and being in an echo chamber too long, blunder into a scientific thread though.

Still in useless, non informative mode I see. Not surprised. I'm waiting for YOUR scientific contributuon by the way.

[Gandahar]

Amount of science on this page so far ... zero

Let me correct that,

https://ads.nipr.ac.jp/vishop/#/extent/&time=2...

2019 lowest apart from 2012 when an unusual summer storm melted the ice, lower than 2007 when weather with long amounts of clear weather and southerly winds made a record.

The extreme of 2007 is now being matched and it might be that the extreme of 2012 might be matched in the next 10 years.

Is the Arctic a bell weather for climate change ? It seems to be so far ...

[dickymint]

Gandahar said:

Amount of science on this page so far ... zero

Let me correct that,

https://ads.nipr.ac.jp/vishop/#/extent/&time=2...

2019 lowest apart from 2012 when an unusual summer storm melted the ice, lower than 2007 when weather with long amounts of clear weather and southerly winds made a record.

The extreme of 2007 is now being matched and it might be that the extreme of 2012 might be matched in the next 10 years.

Is the Arctic a bell weather for climate change ? It seems to be so far ...

Correct about the lack of science lately and my post is not helping either. But I had to find out what "bell weather" meant............

"A bellwether is an individual who either leads or indicates trends; a trendsetter.

The term derives from the Middle English bellewether and refers to the practice of placing a bell around the neck of a castrated ram (a wether) leading the flock of sheep. A shepherd could then note the movements of the flock by hearing the bell, even when the flock was not in sight."

Made me chuckle

[Gadgetmac]

Gandahar said:

Amount of science on this page so far ... zero

Let me correct that,

https://ads.nipr.ac.jp/vishop/#/extent/&time=2...

2019 lowest apart from 2012 when an unusual summer storm melted the ice, lower than 2007 when weather with long amounts of clear weather and southerly winds made a record.

The extreme of 2007 is now being matched and it might be that the extreme of 2012 might be matched in the next 10 years.

Is the Arctic a bell weather for climate change ? It seems to be so far ...

Science on the science thread

[PRTVR]

Gandahar said:

Amount of science on this page so far ... zero

Let me correct that,

https://ads.nipr.ac.jp/vishop/#/extent/&time=2...

2019 lowest apart from 2012 when an unusual summer storm melted the ice, lower than 2007 when weather with long amounts of clear weather and southerly winds made a record.

The extreme of 2007 is now being matched and it might be that the extreme of 2012 might be matched in the next 10 years.

Is the Arctic a bell weather for climate change ? It seems to be so far ...

Oh good some science, direct link to how a small change in a trace gas in the atmosphere is directly proportional to sea ice please,
Was Archimedes wrong? How is a seasonal reduction in sea ice going to increase sea levels?

[Kawasicki]

Gadgetmac said:

Gandahar said:

Amount of science on this page so far ... zero

Let me correct that,

https://ads.nipr.ac.jp/vishop/#/extent/&time=2...

2019 lowest apart from 2012 when an unusual summer storm melted the ice, lower than 2007 when weather with long amounts of clear weather and southerly winds made a record.

The extreme of 2007 is now being matched and it might be that the extreme of 2012 might be matched in the next 10 years.

Is the Arctic a bell weather for climate change ? It seems to be so far ...

Science on the science thread

Er no... seeing correlation where none exists is not scientific, it’s odd. Then using this non-existent correlation to determine causation is just sad.

[anonymous-user]

Haven’t been in this thread for about a year. Is there any scientific consensus on any aspect of climate change yet?

[dickymint]

garyhun said:

Haven’t been in this thread for about a year. Is there any scientific consensus on any aspect of climate change yet?

No the science is still settled ...................

[kerplunk]

Kawasicki said:

Er no... seeing correlation where none exists is not scientific, it’s odd. Then using this non-existent correlation to determine causation is just sad.

Er looks quite well correlated to climate change (temps) to me.

[kerplunk]

kerplunk said:

Kawasicki said:

Er no... seeing correlation where none exists is not scientific, it’s odd. Then using this non-existent correlation to determine causation is just sad.

Er looks quite well correlated to climate change (temps) to me.

Priceless - just had a shufty at the source of the ice extent graph (Connolly 2017):

ABSTRACT
A new seasonal and annual dataset describing Arctic sea ice extents for 1901–2015 was constructed by individually re-calibrating sea ice data sources from the three Arctic regions (NorthAmerican, Nordic and Siberian) using the corresponding surface air temperature trends for thepre-satellite era (1901–1978), so that the strong relationship between seasonal sea ice extent andsurface air temperature observed for the satellite era (1979-present) also applies to the pre-satellite era.

...

Unsurprising then that the graph correlates well with temps seeing as they used temperature obs to construct the graph!

[Gadgetmac]

It’s OK. It’s how deniers operate. Trump like they’ll tell you black is white even when you’re looking straight at it.

[dickymint]

Gadgetmac said:

Science on the science thread

then you post.........

Gadgetmac said:

It’s OK. It’s how deniers operate. Trump like they’ll tell you black is white even when you’re looking straight at it.

Make your mind up!

[deeen]

Gadgetmac said:

It’s OK. It’s how deniers operate. Trump like they’ll tell you black is white even when you’re looking straight at it.

"deniers" of what? Who would make up a graph to fake a correlation between air temps and sea ice?