Climate Change - The Scientific Debate (Vol. II)
Discussion
Thanks everyone for a full view on what deforestation does from the first tree felled onwards. Maybe my question was poorly put! I intended a reference to a supposed expert, who will no doubt have an influence on other less informed minds, regaling everybody with his theory that carbon is released from the tree by felling (his actual words). These theories gather momentum by repeats and gradually achieve truism. That chain of events is new to me so I apologise for my ignorance!
Just thought I would chip in with my observations on the whole Climate Alarmism fear that the media just loves to push upon us.
Remember, if you have your world view handed to you by the MSM, and you simply regurgitate what you hear, you haven't done any research. You are just parroting what you hear. A good time to remind everyone that the message being delivered is by the same people who warned us about Iraq's WMD, Incubator babies, 9/11 (3 buildings with 2 planes) etc etc... I could go on for days about the lies form the MSM.
It is often said, the man who doesn't read the newspaper is uninformed, and the man who does in misinformed.
To start with, many eminent professors and experts are warning about the beginning of the next Grand Solar Minimum, (even NASA admit it).
https://principia-scientific.org/why-a-super-grand...
Hence the rush to push AGW upon us, it's going to get more difficult to push AGW when we are all freezing our asses off. The legislation to tax the s
t out of us for it NEEDS to be in place soon.
We have the IPCC, making policy recommendation to governments of the world based on the HadCRUT4 data set that when recently audited by Dr McLean was found to be littered with errors. Rather embarrassing for the Anthropogenic Global Warming Cabal.
https://notalotofpeopleknowthat.wordpress.com/2018...
Crops all over the world are failing at a rate never seen before in modern agriculture.
https://www.sott.net/article/423731-Officials-are-...
100+ yr old records for cold temperatures and snowfall have been broken this season BEFORE November started.
We have the infamous Hockey Stick graph proposed by Michael Mann, and the resulting court case that was thrown out
https://www.climatedepot.com/2017/07/05/fatal-cour...
We have SH ski resorts staying open longer than they ever have. Conversely, record early opening ski seasons for Europe and North America.
When discussing AGW with learned friends and family, I often ask a simply question. What was the mean global temperature -900BC compared to now? (A loaded question as we all know we do not have data records anywhere near complete until circa 1958).
IN short, AGW, just like the Acid Rain alarmism of the late 80s/90s, along with every time we have been told we have xx Years left to save the planet, has never come to pass.
To show how deep this goes and the level of support from on high.
We have professors like Susan Crockford who has basically been fired by her university due to her study that found Polar bears are actually thriving due to increased sea ice. It doesn't fit the narrative.
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2019/oct/20/s...
No nation has historical weather data like the Chinese. Part of the BRI and why China is investing so heavily in Africa and South America is for the use of arable land to grow food during the incoming Grand Solar Minimum.
The last time Europe saw a Mini Ice Age, was Mid 17th C. The Thames froze over and this has been well catalogued during that Maunder Minimum period and it's correlation to Sunspot activity.
This year we have had roughly 240 days of ZERO Sunspots observed. This is known to be a precursor for reduced temperatures here on earth.
The bottom line, is Carbon Futures which are already being traded on the money markets. These are being presented as the next BIG and BEST investment vehicle for elite Globalist bankers promising large returns that ultimately, we, the working man will pay for.
P.S Greta is funded by the ONE Foundation: Gates, Bono & Soros etc... Remember, Goebbels used children with Pigtails telling the people of Germany what they should think and believe, sound familiar?
There is so much disinformation regarding this subject, and unusual effort to discredit anyone, no matter how much data is presented to contradict the official narrative. I encourage people to switch off BBC Propaganda and do some real research.
Remember, if you have your world view handed to you by the MSM, and you simply regurgitate what you hear, you haven't done any research. You are just parroting what you hear. A good time to remind everyone that the message being delivered is by the same people who warned us about Iraq's WMD, Incubator babies, 9/11 (3 buildings with 2 planes) etc etc... I could go on for days about the lies form the MSM.
It is often said, the man who doesn't read the newspaper is uninformed, and the man who does in misinformed.
To start with, many eminent professors and experts are warning about the beginning of the next Grand Solar Minimum, (even NASA admit it).
https://principia-scientific.org/why-a-super-grand...
Hence the rush to push AGW upon us, it's going to get more difficult to push AGW when we are all freezing our asses off. The legislation to tax the s
t out of us for it NEEDS to be in place soon. We have the IPCC, making policy recommendation to governments of the world based on the HadCRUT4 data set that when recently audited by Dr McLean was found to be littered with errors. Rather embarrassing for the Anthropogenic Global Warming Cabal.
https://notalotofpeopleknowthat.wordpress.com/2018...
Crops all over the world are failing at a rate never seen before in modern agriculture.
https://www.sott.net/article/423731-Officials-are-...
100+ yr old records for cold temperatures and snowfall have been broken this season BEFORE November started.
We have the infamous Hockey Stick graph proposed by Michael Mann, and the resulting court case that was thrown out
https://www.climatedepot.com/2017/07/05/fatal-cour...
We have SH ski resorts staying open longer than they ever have. Conversely, record early opening ski seasons for Europe and North America.
When discussing AGW with learned friends and family, I often ask a simply question. What was the mean global temperature -900BC compared to now? (A loaded question as we all know we do not have data records anywhere near complete until circa 1958).
IN short, AGW, just like the Acid Rain alarmism of the late 80s/90s, along with every time we have been told we have xx Years left to save the planet, has never come to pass.
To show how deep this goes and the level of support from on high.
We have professors like Susan Crockford who has basically been fired by her university due to her study that found Polar bears are actually thriving due to increased sea ice. It doesn't fit the narrative.
https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2019/oct/20/s...
No nation has historical weather data like the Chinese. Part of the BRI and why China is investing so heavily in Africa and South America is for the use of arable land to grow food during the incoming Grand Solar Minimum.
The last time Europe saw a Mini Ice Age, was Mid 17th C. The Thames froze over and this has been well catalogued during that Maunder Minimum period and it's correlation to Sunspot activity.
This year we have had roughly 240 days of ZERO Sunspots observed. This is known to be a precursor for reduced temperatures here on earth.
The bottom line, is Carbon Futures which are already being traded on the money markets. These are being presented as the next BIG and BEST investment vehicle for elite Globalist bankers promising large returns that ultimately, we, the working man will pay for.
P.S Greta is funded by the ONE Foundation: Gates, Bono & Soros etc... Remember, Goebbels used children with Pigtails telling the people of Germany what they should think and believe, sound familiar?
There is so much disinformation regarding this subject, and unusual effort to discredit anyone, no matter how much data is presented to contradict the official narrative. I encourage people to switch off BBC Propaganda and do some real research.
TellYaWhatItIs said:
Just thought I would chip in with my observations on the whole Climate Alarmism fear that the media just loves to push upon us.
Remember, if you have your world view handed to you by the MSM, and you simply regurgitate what you hear, you haven't done any research. You are just parroting what you hear. A good time to remind everyone that the message being delivered is by the same people who warned us about Iraq's WMD, Incubator babies, 9/11 (3 buildings with 2 planes) etc etc... I could go on for days about the lies form the MSM.
It is often said, the man who doesn't read the newspaper is uninformed, and the man who does in misinformed.
To start with, many eminent professors and experts are warning about the beginning of the next Grand Solar Minimum, (even NASA admit it).
https://principia-scientific.org/why-a-super-grand...
So what is it about alarming prediction 'B' that makes it more valid than alarming prediction 'A'?Remember, if you have your world view handed to you by the MSM, and you simply regurgitate what you hear, you haven't done any research. You are just parroting what you hear. A good time to remind everyone that the message being delivered is by the same people who warned us about Iraq's WMD, Incubator babies, 9/11 (3 buildings with 2 planes) etc etc... I could go on for days about the lies form the MSM.
It is often said, the man who doesn't read the newspaper is uninformed, and the man who does in misinformed.
To start with, many eminent professors and experts are warning about the beginning of the next Grand Solar Minimum, (even NASA admit it).
https://principia-scientific.org/why-a-super-grand...
TellYaWhatItIs said:
The legislation to tax the st out of us
Got it t out of us kerplunk said:
TellYaWhatItIs said:
Just thought I would chip in with my observations on the whole Climate Alarmism fear that the media just loves to push upon us.
Remember, if you have your world view handed to you by the MSM, and you simply regurgitate what you hear, you haven't done any research. You are just parroting what you hear. A good time to remind everyone that the message being delivered is by the same people who warned us about Iraq's WMD, Incubator babies, 9/11 (3 buildings with 2 planes) etc etc... I could go on for days about the lies form the MSM.
It is often said, the man who doesn't read the newspaper is uninformed, and the man who does in misinformed.
To start with, many eminent professors and experts are warning about the beginning of the next Grand Solar Minimum, (even NASA admit it).
https://principia-scientific.org/why-a-super-grand...
So what is it about alarming prediction 'B' that makes it more valid than alarming prediction 'A'?Remember, if you have your world view handed to you by the MSM, and you simply regurgitate what you hear, you haven't done any research. You are just parroting what you hear. A good time to remind everyone that the message being delivered is by the same people who warned us about Iraq's WMD, Incubator babies, 9/11 (3 buildings with 2 planes) etc etc... I could go on for days about the lies form the MSM.
It is often said, the man who doesn't read the newspaper is uninformed, and the man who does in misinformed.
To start with, many eminent professors and experts are warning about the beginning of the next Grand Solar Minimum, (even NASA admit it).
https://principia-scientific.org/why-a-super-grand...
TellYaWhatItIs said:
The legislation to tax the st out of us
Got it t out of us 
The global govts conspiracy is never far from the surface is it.Yesterday in the news,
“The WMO report, published on Monday, found the global average concentration of CO2 reached 407.8 parts per million in 2018, up from 405.5ppm in 2017. It is now 50% higher than in 1750, before the industrial revolution sparked the widespread burning of coal, oil and gas”
So it’s gone from 0.0204% to 0.0408% in the time the global population has risen 1000%
“The WMO report, published on Monday, found the global average concentration of CO2 reached 407.8 parts per million in 2018, up from 405.5ppm in 2017. It is now 50% higher than in 1750, before the industrial revolution sparked the widespread burning of coal, oil and gas”
So it’s gone from 0.0204% to 0.0408% in the time the global population has risen 1000%
Gadgetmac said:
kerplunk said:
TellYaWhatItIs said:
Just thought I would chip in with my observations on the whole Climate Alarmism fear that the media just loves to push upon us.
Remember, if you have your world view handed to you by the MSM, and you simply regurgitate what you hear, you haven't done any research. You are just parroting what you hear. A good time to remind everyone that the message being delivered is by the same people who warned us about Iraq's WMD, Incubator babies, 9/11 (3 buildings with 2 planes) etc etc... I could go on for days about the lies form the MSM.
It is often said, the man who doesn't read the newspaper is uninformed, and the man who does in misinformed.
To start with, many eminent professors and experts are warning about the beginning of the next Grand Solar Minimum, (even NASA admit it).
https://principia-scientific.org/why-a-super-grand...
So what is it about alarming prediction 'B' that makes it more valid than alarming prediction 'A'?Remember, if you have your world view handed to you by the MSM, and you simply regurgitate what you hear, you haven't done any research. You are just parroting what you hear. A good time to remind everyone that the message being delivered is by the same people who warned us about Iraq's WMD, Incubator babies, 9/11 (3 buildings with 2 planes) etc etc... I could go on for days about the lies form the MSM.
It is often said, the man who doesn't read the newspaper is uninformed, and the man who does in misinformed.
To start with, many eminent professors and experts are warning about the beginning of the next Grand Solar Minimum, (even NASA admit it).
https://principia-scientific.org/why-a-super-grand...
TellYaWhatItIs said:
The legislation to tax the st out of us
Got it t out of us The global govts conspiracy is never far from the surface is it.Gadgetmac said:
kerplunk said:
TellYaWhatItIs said:
Just thought I would chip in with my observations on the whole Climate Alarmism fear that the media just loves to push upon us.
Remember, if you have your world view handed to you by the MSM, and you simply regurgitate what you hear, you haven't done any research. You are just parroting what you hear. A good time to remind everyone that the message being delivered is by the same people who warned us about Iraq's WMD, Incubator babies, 9/11 (3 buildings with 2 planes) etc etc... I could go on for days about the lies form the MSM.
It is often said, the man who doesn't read the newspaper is uninformed, and the man who does in misinformed.
To start with, many eminent professors and experts are warning about the beginning of the next Grand Solar Minimum, (even NASA admit it).
https://principia-scientific.org/why-a-super-grand...
So what is it about alarming prediction 'B' that makes it more valid than alarming prediction 'A'?Remember, if you have your world view handed to you by the MSM, and you simply regurgitate what you hear, you haven't done any research. You are just parroting what you hear. A good time to remind everyone that the message being delivered is by the same people who warned us about Iraq's WMD, Incubator babies, 9/11 (3 buildings with 2 planes) etc etc... I could go on for days about the lies form the MSM.
It is often said, the man who doesn't read the newspaper is uninformed, and the man who does in misinformed.
To start with, many eminent professors and experts are warning about the beginning of the next Grand Solar Minimum, (even NASA admit it).
https://principia-scientific.org/why-a-super-grand...
TellYaWhatItIs said:
The legislation to tax the st out of us
Got it t out of us The global govts conspiracy is never far from the surface is it.If various barely coordinated organisations, countries, politicians, scientists, businesses, NGOs and whatever else may come along, all head off on their own path to save the planet through reversing 'carbon' pollution is that likely to be a good thing or would it be better, for a Global Crisis, to have one consistent focus point of co-ordination and control?
tight fart said:
Yesterday in the news,
“The WMO report, published on Monday, found the global average concentration of CO2 reached 407.8 parts per million in 2018, up from 405.5ppm in 2017. It is now 50% higher than in 1750, before the industrial revolution sparked the widespread burning of coal, oil and gas”
So it’s gone from 0.0204% to 0.0408% in the time the global population has risen 1000%
maths not your strong point then“The WMO report, published on Monday, found the global average concentration of CO2 reached 407.8 parts per million in 2018, up from 405.5ppm in 2017. It is now 50% higher than in 1750, before the industrial revolution sparked the widespread burning of coal, oil and gas”
So it’s gone from 0.0204% to 0.0408% in the time the global population has risen 1000%
TellYaWhatItIs said:
It is easier to fool a man, than it is to convince him he has been fooled. - Mark Twain.
I'll keep my effort to a minimum then.The case for a large climate effect from solar activity variation has grown weaker in recent times.
Solar activity has been declining for decades while temperature has increased http://www.realclimate.org/index.php/archives/2016...
The last solar minimum in 2009 also had 200+ spotless days - record warm years have followed, no sign of cooling.
Recently corrected sunspot record show no modern grand maximum in the 20th century - solar activity was similar in the 18th/19th centuries but temperatures different https://wattsupwiththat.com/2013/01/04/counting-su...
"eminent professors and experts" reject Zharkova's model that predicts an imminent grand solar minimum because it fails to predict the past https://arxiv.org/abs/1512.05516
Nasa do not 'admit it' - you made that up.
kerplunk said:
TellYaWhatItIs said:
It is easier to fool a man, than it is to convince him he has been fooled. - Mark Twain.
Nasa do not 'admit it' - you made that up.No I didn't.
Flibble said:
tight fart said:
So it’s gone from 0.0204% to 0.0408% in the time the global population has risen 1000%
You state that like it's some profound revelation. What's your point?
TellYaWhatItIs said:
kerplunk said:
TellYaWhatItIs said:
It is easier to fool a man, than it is to convince him he has been fooled. - Mark Twain.
Nasa do not 'admit it' - you made that up.No I didn't.
Predictions for the next solar cycle are numerous. Leif Svalgaard (who earned laurels for his SC24 prediction) predicts SC25 will be up on SC24 not down https://www.leif.org/research/Prediction-of-SC25.p...
TellYaWhatItIs said:
Just thought I would chip in with my observations on the whole Climate Alarmism fear that the media just loves to push upon us.
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Good post and summarises much of the debate.....
Something I would also add to the politics angle as an observation is that prior to XR and prior to project Greta, their 'paymasters' were thinking that "the message" was starting to fall by the wayside - given that the climate is not behaving as per the craziest of the model predictions. Project fear needed to be ramped up.
And so it was - in the most hysterical manner with XR, project Greta and the likes of the democrat AOC - we've only got 12 years left !
As you say, the near future in terms of climate may see a much more noticable cooling trend, so the warming policies need to be enacted today before its too late.
A brief summary of 50 years of Apocalyptic climate predictions that didn't come to pass.
https://cei.org/blog/wrong-again-50-years-failed-e...
https://cei.org/blog/wrong-again-50-years-failed-e...
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