Climate Change - The Scientific Debate (Vol. II)

[jshell]

Gadgetmac said:

jshell said:

kerplunk said:

jshell said:

kerplunk said:

jshell said:

kerplunk said:

jshell said:

budgie smuggler said:

Seeing as you're into research, could you please save us all some time and read these before posting again:

https://skepticalscience.com/solar-activity-sunspo...
https://skepticalscience.com/climate-change-little...
https://skepticalscience.com/co2-higher-in-past-ba...
https://skepticalscience.com/empirical-evidence-fo...

Skeptical science is anything but sceptical and will publish any level of true belief, no matter how extreme. It's not a good one to use in a similar vein to climate realists using an article from Breitbart or the DM...

The owner of that site is a Nazi-dressing, cartoonist.

Excellent - either you're too stupid to recognise an obvious photoshop or you're a grubby opportunistic liar

That picture has being around for about 20 years. Only recently has a dead guy been pinned with saying it's a photoshop, or 'doing a Prince Andrew'...

Show me the original picture that was amended.

I certainly will not. You're a stain on the thread. Take your drive-by ad homs and motor off (please)

Touched a nerve, or can't you? You made a claim, it's for you to back that up. Perhaps that site is your go-to for information and don't like to see its owner exposed for his nefarious tastes...

"You made a claim, it's for you to back that up"



What a twisted world you live in.

The photoshopped pic is easily found - if you want it on the thread you can have the honour of posting it.

It's funny that. I've always thought you were a value to the AGW threads and I've seen you take some real 'stick'. You've always responded in measured levels and I've even posted in support of you from time to time. I've never attacked you.

But, I point out a few things that have been known about Cook & his non-sceptical views for many, many years and all of that calmness and humor vapourised.

I wonder what your true interests or links are there...

Of course you'll deflect by calling me a mad Conspiracy Theorist, but that's not accurate.

If you've a genuine question have you tried contacting a scientist yourself? They will nearly airways answer you. I have done it and posted up his responses as have others and it's airways turned out that it is to the detriment of the deniers.

Try it yourself. Genuinely suggesting this.

Yeah, that's not what's going on here, GM.

I replied to another poster about Skeptical Science and KP immediately bailed in from left field with a number of attacks from 'stupid', 'grubby opportunistic liar', a 'stain', 'ad-homs' and he tells me to 'motor off'.

I don't think any of us have seen KP react like that and to be honest it makes me mildy suspicious that he's either attached to that site, hugely reliant on that site or with a bit of a reach even one of Cook's amusing alter-ego's as he's been seen to use before...

[Flibble]

Jinx said:

kerplunk said:

Yes I've noticed that too. I've heard rumour of various 'gases' that can affect the passage of lightwaves as well.

This should be good....

So excluding Rayleigh scattering, pray tell us of these gases and how they affect the passage of lightwaves?

No sure if serious.

[dickymint]

jshell said:

Gadgetmac said:

jshell said:

kerplunk said:

jshell said:

kerplunk said:

jshell said:

kerplunk said:

jshell said:

budgie smuggler said:

Seeing as you're into research, could you please save us all some time and read these before posting again:

https://skepticalscience.com/solar-activity-sunspo...
https://skepticalscience.com/climate-change-little...
https://skepticalscience.com/co2-higher-in-past-ba...
https://skepticalscience.com/empirical-evidence-fo...

Skeptical science is anything but sceptical and will publish any level of true belief, no matter how extreme. It's not a good one to use in a similar vein to climate realists using an article from Breitbart or the DM...

The owner of that site is a Nazi-dressing, cartoonist.

Excellent - either you're too stupid to recognise an obvious photoshop or you're a grubby opportunistic liar

That picture has being around for about 20 years. Only recently has a dead guy been pinned with saying it's a photoshop, or 'doing a Prince Andrew'...

Show me the original picture that was amended.

I certainly will not. You're a stain on the thread. Take your drive-by ad homs and motor off (please)

Touched a nerve, or can't you? You made a claim, it's for you to back that up. Perhaps that site is your go-to for information and don't like to see its owner exposed for his nefarious tastes...

"You made a claim, it's for you to back that up"



What a twisted world you live in.

The photoshopped pic is easily found - if you want it on the thread you can have the honour of posting it.

It's funny that. I've always thought you were a value to the AGW threads and I've seen you take some real 'stick'. You've always responded in measured levels and I've even posted in support of you from time to time. I've never attacked you.

But, I point out a few things that have been known about Cook & his non-sceptical views for many, many years and all of that calmness and humor vapourised.

I wonder what your true interests or links are there...

Of course you'll deflect by calling me a mad Conspiracy Theorist, but that's not accurate.

If you've a genuine question have you tried contacting a scientist yourself? They will nearly airways answer you. I have done it and posted up his responses as have others and it's airways turned out that it is to the detriment of the deniers.

Try it yourself. Genuinely suggesting this.

Yeah, that's not what's going on here, GM.

I replied to another poster about Skeptical Science and KP immediately bailed in from left field with a number of attacks from 'stupid', 'grubby opportunistic liar', a 'stain', 'ad-homs' and he tells me to 'motor off'.

I don't think any of us have seen KP react like that and to be honest it makes me mildy suspicious that he's either attached to that site, hugely reliant on that site or with a bit of a reach even one of Cook's amusing alter-ego's as he's been seen to use before...

Ignore Gadget, he's sensed an open wound and is just trying to pick at it!

It is a bit out of character from Plunkers though, and as you say he is an asset on these threads - think it was yesterday that I openly gave him a compliment...........ever so slightly though of course

[kerplunk]

jshell said:

Yeah, that's not what's going on here, GM.

I replied to another poster about Skeptical Science and KP immediately bailed in from left field with a number of attacks from 'stupid', 'grubby opportunistic liar', a 'stain', 'ad-homs' and he tells me to 'motor off'.

I don't think any of us have seen KP react like that and to be honest it makes me mildy suspicious that he's either attached to that site, hugely reliant on that site or with a bit of a reach even one of Cook's amusing alter-ego's as he's been seen to use before...

Calling someone a 'Nazi dresser' because they once photoshopped their own face (I assume Cook did it because he's a cartoonist, but I don't know) onto an old photo of a Nazi sure looks like grubby opportunism to me.

On the other hand, you've been a bit vague about whether you think the picture was a photoshop or a genuine photo of Cook wearing a Nazi uniform - perhaps you'd like to clear that one up.

[kerplunk]

dickymint said:

It is a bit out of character from Plunkers though, and as you say he is an asset on these threads - think it was yesterday that I openly gave him a compliment...........ever so slightly though of course

I'd like to think calling out the dirty tricks of stolen photos distributed on the internet and mischarcterized is part of my 'character'.

Thank you for your concern dicky but it's jshell whose standards have slipped imho (unless he stupidly thinks the photo is genuine of course)

Edited by kerplunk on Friday 29th November 17:46

[jshell]

dickymint said:

jshell said:

Gadgetmac said:

jshell said:

kerplunk said:

jshell said:

kerplunk said:

jshell said:

kerplunk said:

jshell said:

budgie smuggler said:

Seeing as you're into research, could you please save us all some time and read these before posting again:

https://skepticalscience.com/solar-activity-sunspo...
https://skepticalscience.com/climate-change-little...
https://skepticalscience.com/co2-higher-in-past-ba...
https://skepticalscience.com/empirical-evidence-fo...

Skeptical science is anything but sceptical and will publish any level of true belief, no matter how extreme. It's not a good one to use in a similar vein to climate realists using an article from Breitbart or the DM...

The owner of that site is a Nazi-dressing, cartoonist.

Excellent - either you're too stupid to recognise an obvious photoshop or you're a grubby opportunistic liar

That picture has being around for about 20 years. Only recently has a dead guy been pinned with saying it's a photoshop, or 'doing a Prince Andrew'...

Show me the original picture that was amended.

I certainly will not. You're a stain on the thread. Take your drive-by ad homs and motor off (please)

Touched a nerve, or can't you? You made a claim, it's for you to back that up. Perhaps that site is your go-to for information and don't like to see its owner exposed for his nefarious tastes...

"You made a claim, it's for you to back that up"



What a twisted world you live in.

The photoshopped pic is easily found - if you want it on the thread you can have the honour of posting it.

It's funny that. I've always thought you were a value to the AGW threads and I've seen you take some real 'stick'. You've always responded in measured levels and I've even posted in support of you from time to time. I've never attacked you.

But, I point out a few things that have been known about Cook & his non-sceptical views for many, many years and all of that calmness and humor vapourised.

I wonder what your true interests or links are there...

Of course you'll deflect by calling me a mad Conspiracy Theorist, but that's not accurate.

If you've a genuine question have you tried contacting a scientist yourself? They will nearly airways answer you. I have done it and posted up his responses as have others and it's airways turned out that it is to the detriment of the deniers.

Try it yourself. Genuinely suggesting this.

Yeah, that's not what's going on here, GM.

I replied to another poster about Skeptical Science and KP immediately bailed in from left field with a number of attacks from 'stupid', 'grubby opportunistic liar', a 'stain', 'ad-homs' and he tells me to 'motor off'.

I don't think any of us have seen KP react like that and to be honest it makes me mildy suspicious that he's either attached to that site, hugely reliant on that site or with a bit of a reach even one of Cook's amusing alter-ego's as he's been seen to use before...

Ignore Gadget, he's sensed an open wound and is just trying to pick at it!

It is a bit out of character from Plunkers though, and as you say he is an asset on these threads - think it was yesterday that I openly gave him a compliment...........ever so slightly though of course

It is seemingly out of character, but maybe that's true character that only shows in these unguarded moments.

His reaction possibly shows at least an affiliation with the SS (!) site. Stranger things have happened...

[jshell]

kerplunk said:

jshell said:

Yeah, that's not what's going on here, GM.

I replied to another poster about Skeptical Science and KP immediately bailed in from left field with a number of attacks from 'stupid', 'grubby opportunistic liar', a 'stain', 'ad-homs' and he tells me to 'motor off'.

I don't think any of us have seen KP react like that and to be honest it makes me mildy suspicious that he's either attached to that site, hugely reliant on that site or with a bit of a reach even one of Cook's amusing alter-ego's as he's been seen to use before...

Calling someone a 'Nazi dresser' because they once photoshopped their own face (I assume Cook did it because he's a cartoonist, but I don't know) onto an old photo of a Nazi sure looks like grubby opportunism to me.

On the other hand, you've been a bit vague about whether you think the picture was a photoshop or a genuine photo of Cook wearing a Nazi uniform - perhaps you'd like to clear that one up.

It's interesting that this issue has crept up over the years in many places, but this is your line in the sand.

I do think you've exposed yourself here.

FWIW, I'd be interested in your view as to why someone would PS their own face onto the figure of a Nazi. Also why you would so quickly step in to protect such a maligned character who had pictures like this on an open website.

[kerplunk]

jshell said:

kerplunk said:

jshell said:

Yeah, that's not what's going on here, GM.

I replied to another poster about Skeptical Science and KP immediately bailed in from left field with a number of attacks from 'stupid', 'grubby opportunistic liar', a 'stain', 'ad-homs' and he tells me to 'motor off'.

I don't think any of us have seen KP react like that and to be honest it makes me mildy suspicious that he's either attached to that site, hugely reliant on that site or with a bit of a reach even one of Cook's amusing alter-ego's as he's been seen to use before...

Calling someone a 'Nazi dresser' because they once photoshopped their own face (I assume Cook did it because he's a cartoonist, but I don't know) onto an old photo of a Nazi sure looks like grubby opportunism to me.

On the other hand, you've been a bit vague about whether you think the picture was a photoshop or a genuine photo of Cook wearing a Nazi uniform - perhaps you'd like to clear that one up.

It's interesting that this issue has crept up over the years in many places, but this is your line in the sand.

I do think you've exposed yourself here.

FWIW, I'd be interested in your view as to why someone would PS their own face onto the figure of a Nazi. Also why you would so quickly step in to protect such a maligned character who had pictures like this on an open website.

I've outlined why I object above. Feel free to fantasise otherwise and make yourself more foolish.

Looks like you think it was a PS - disappointing. I would've preferred you thought it genuine.

[jshell]

kerplunk said:

jshell said:

kerplunk said:

jshell said:

Yeah, that's not what's going on here, GM.

I replied to another poster about Skeptical Science and KP immediately bailed in from left field with a number of attacks from 'stupid', 'grubby opportunistic liar', a 'stain', 'ad-homs' and he tells me to 'motor off'.

I don't think any of us have seen KP react like that and to be honest it makes me mildy suspicious that he's either attached to that site, hugely reliant on that site or with a bit of a reach even one of Cook's amusing alter-ego's as he's been seen to use before...

Calling someone a 'Nazi dresser' because they once photoshopped their own face (I assume Cook did it because he's a cartoonist, but I don't know) onto an old photo of a Nazi sure looks like grubby opportunism to me.

On the other hand, you've been a bit vague about whether you think the picture was a photoshop or a genuine photo of Cook wearing a Nazi uniform - perhaps you'd like to clear that one up.

It's interesting that this issue has crept up over the years in many places, but this is your line in the sand.

I do think you've exposed yourself here.

FWIW, I'd be interested in your view as to why someone would PS their own face onto the figure of a Nazi. Also why you would so quickly step in to protect such a maligned character who had pictures like this on an open website.

I've outlined why I object above. Feel free to fantasise otherwise and make yourself more foolish.

Looks like you think it was a PS - disappointing. I would've preferred you thought it genuine.

Yes, you've outlined your objection to my pointing out that John Cook appears in a picture as a Nazi.

What you haven't done is state why my statement is objectionable, but you won't criticise the guy who produced and kept a photo of himself as a Nazi officer on an open part of his website.

Do you condemn his actions?

[Gadgetmac]

kerplunk said:

dickymint said:

It is a bit out of character from Plunkers though, and as you say he is an asset on these threads - think it was yesterday that I openly gave him a compliment...........ever so slightly though of course

I'd like to think calling out the dirty tricks of stolen photos distributed on the internet and mischarcterized is part of my 'character'.

Thank you for your concern dicky but it's jshell whose standards have slipped imho (unless he stupidly thinks the photo is genuine of course)

Edited by kerplunk on Friday 29th November 17:46

Ignore dicky, his only input to the climate threads is to either back up TB or hit the report button...frequently.

[kerplunk]

jshell said:

kerplunk said:

jshell said:

kerplunk said:

jshell said:

Yeah, that's not what's going on here, GM.

I replied to another poster about Skeptical Science and KP immediately bailed in from left field with a number of attacks from 'stupid', 'grubby opportunistic liar', a 'stain', 'ad-homs' and he tells me to 'motor off'.

I don't think any of us have seen KP react like that and to be honest it makes me mildy suspicious that he's either attached to that site, hugely reliant on that site or with a bit of a reach even one of Cook's amusing alter-ego's as he's been seen to use before...

Calling someone a 'Nazi dresser' because they once photoshopped their own face (I assume Cook did it because he's a cartoonist, but I don't know) onto an old photo of a Nazi sure looks like grubby opportunism to me.

On the other hand, you've been a bit vague about whether you think the picture was a photoshop or a genuine photo of Cook wearing a Nazi uniform - perhaps you'd like to clear that one up.

It's interesting that this issue has crept up over the years in many places, but this is your line in the sand.

I do think you've exposed yourself here.

FWIW, I'd be interested in your view as to why someone would PS their own face onto the figure of a Nazi. Also why you would so quickly step in to protect such a maligned character who had pictures like this on an open website.

I've outlined why I object above. Feel free to fantasise otherwise and make yourself more foolish.

Looks like you think it was a PS - disappointing. I would've preferred you thought it genuine.

Yes, you've outlined your objection to my pointing out that John Cook appears in a picture as a Nazi.

I've outlined my objection to you calling Cook a Nazi dresser- slippy aren't you.

jshell said:

What you haven't done is state why my statement is objectionable, but you won't criticise the guy who produced and kept a photo of himself as a Nazi officer on an open part of his website.

Ok that file of pics shouldn't have been on open part of the website. Sloppy management - how awful. I wouldn't say they were 'stolen' now btw. I thought it came from their hacking incident, but I've just discovered that was the year before.

jshell said:

Do you condemn his actions?

Not really no, looks like a bit of 'office humour' silliness, probably to do with the website initials.

Do you think you've imparted a true picture when you called Cook a 'Nazi dresser' because of this? Happy for people to takeaway the impression from your words that Cook has a penchant for wearing nazi uniforms?

[Gandahar]

Global sea ice is still low.

The theory is that the Antarctic is covered from global warming signs due to being surrounded by the southern ocean storms, but if it gets going then it will melt similar to the Arctic.

Well that's what they say.

Always interesting to watch, it is now on a downwards slope for sea ice extent after a large increase up to 2015.

A lot of unknowns down there, some early sat photo's from the 60s???? showed a lot more sea ice.

[kerplunk]

Yawn, another month another record-breaker.

Warmest November in the UAH satellite record https://www.drroyspencer.com/2019/12/uah-global-te...

[Gadgetmac]

I believe I offered a wager to our resident deniers about 2019 a while back...strangely nobody took me up on it.

[Kawasicki]

kerplunk said:

Yawn, another month another record-breaker.

Warmest November in the UAH satellite record https://www.drroyspencer.com/2019/12/uah-global-te...

Global warming rate remains constant. No emergency in sight. Boring.

[kerplunk]

Kawasicki said:

kerplunk said:

Yawn, another month another record-breaker.

Warmest November in the UAH satellite record https://www.drroyspencer.com/2019/12/uah-global-te...

Global warming rate remains constant. No emergency in sight. Boring.

Dr Roy always mentions that figure which is unlikely to change from one month to the next, but he doesn't seem to consider a new record worth mentioning.

[Kawasicki]

kerplunk said:

Kawasicki said:

kerplunk said:

Yawn, another month another record-breaker.

Warmest November in the UAH satellite record https://www.drroyspencer.com/2019/12/uah-global-te...

Global warming rate remains constant. No emergency in sight. Boring.

Dr Roy always mentions that figure which is unlikely to change from one month to the next, but he doesn't seem to consider a new record worth mentioning.

It’s warming gradually, new records aren’t in any way remarkable. More science, please.

[Gadgetmac]

Kawasicki said:

It’s warming gradually, new records aren’t in any way remarkable. More science, please.

Best say that to the doc. He's a creationist

[Kawasicki]

Gadgetmac said:

Kawasicki said:

It’s warming gradually, new records aren’t in any way remarkable. More science, please.

Best say that to the doc. He's a creationist

Ad Homs? Pathetic.

More science, please.

[PRTVR]

kerplunk said:

Kawasicki said:

kerplunk said:

Yawn, another month another record-breaker.

Warmest November in the UAH satellite record https://www.drroyspencer.com/2019/12/uah-global-te...

Global warming rate remains constant. No emergency in sight. Boring.

Dr Roy always mentions that figure which is unlikely to change from one month to the next, but he doesn't seem to consider a new record worth mentioning.

Especially with a climate conference just started in Madrid.