Climate Change - The Scientific Debate (Vol. II)
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dickymint said:
Gadgetmac said:
dickymint said:
Gadgetmac said:
From the Met Office:
A platinum resistance thermometer (PRT) is used for the measurement of air temperature at all synoptic stations and all supplementary stations that employ an automatic system. The thermometer is exposed in a Stevenson screen of the type described in the preceding section, at a height of 1.25 m above the ground and aspirated only by natural ventilation through the side louvers. Figure 5 shows the arrangement of thermometers in the screen.
Two PRTs, one for operational use and one for backup, may be seen at the end of the looping black cables.
In addition, there are four liquid-in-glass thermometers in the screen that are used solely for check readings. Temperature measured by a PRT is related to the resistance of the instrument’s platinum wire, measured by means of high precision electrical equipment usually located close to the screen.
The thermometer is calibrated every eight years providing traceability to the national temperature standard. The long period between calibrations is justified by the excellent stability demonstrated by PRT instruments.
https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/binaries/content/asse...
In addition to this and due to significance of that days reading a comparison was made of the screens readings with a precision thermometer.
I’d say, off you go to google but I’ve already supplied the link
ETA: reply not aimed at you Long Q
Oh good you took my advice and Googled - you can now add calibration to your list of scientific skills A platinum resistance thermometer (PRT) is used for the measurement of air temperature at all synoptic stations and all supplementary stations that employ an automatic system. The thermometer is exposed in a Stevenson screen of the type described in the preceding section, at a height of 1.25 m above the ground and aspirated only by natural ventilation through the side louvers. Figure 5 shows the arrangement of thermometers in the screen.
Two PRTs, one for operational use and one for backup, may be seen at the end of the looping black cables.
In addition, there are four liquid-in-glass thermometers in the screen that are used solely for check readings. Temperature measured by a PRT is related to the resistance of the instrument’s platinum wire, measured by means of high precision electrical equipment usually located close to the screen.
The thermometer is calibrated every eight years providing traceability to the national temperature standard. The long period between calibrations is justified by the excellent stability demonstrated by PRT instruments.
https://www.metoffice.gov.uk/binaries/content/asse...
In addition to this and due to significance of that days reading a comparison was made of the screens readings with a precision thermometer.
I’d say, off you go to google but I’ve already supplied the link
ETA: reply not aimed at you Long Q
Still, you were able to deflect, so your usual modus operandi hasn't changed.
"The thermometer is calibrated every eight years providing traceability to the national temperature standard. The long period between calibrations is justified by the excellent stability demonstrated by PRT instruments."
Absolute utter garbage for so may reasons. The mere fact that the author felt he had to justify that frequency should make you cringe.
Keep Googling or better still ask a Metrologist.....oo wait you did! or any Quality Assurance dept if they are prepared to lose up to eight years worth of data and and what the implications of that would be.
Absolute utter garbage for so may reasons. The mere fact that the author felt he had to justify that frequency should make you cringe.
Keep Googling or better still ask a Metrologist.....oo wait you did! or any Quality Assurance dept if they are prepared to lose up to eight years worth of data and and what the implications of that would be.
dickymint said:
"The thermometer is calibrated every eight years providing traceability to the national temperature standard. The long period between calibrations is justified by the excellent stability demonstrated by PRT instruments."
Absolute utter garbage for so may reasons. The mere fact that the author felt he had to justify that frequency should make you cringe.
Keep Googling or better still ask a Metrologist.....oo wait you did! or any Quality Assurance dept if they are prepared to lose up to eight years worth of data and and what the implications of that would be.
When I worked for 8years in an Engineering test department, we calibrated EVERYTHING before each test. Equipment was also reference calibrated every year.Absolute utter garbage for so may reasons. The mere fact that the author felt he had to justify that frequency should make you cringe.
Keep Googling or better still ask a Metrologist.....oo wait you did! or any Quality Assurance dept if they are prepared to lose up to eight years worth of data and and what the implications of that would be.
Gadgetmac said:
They didn't open door as the equipment would then register a spike in the temperature making it an even hotter reading.
Only if the interior was exposed to direct sunlight. Provided measures were taken to prevent this (which would have been trivial), how would opening the door on an enclosure designed to let air freely circulate cause a temperature spike?LimSlip said:
Gadgetmac said:
They didn't open door as the equipment would then register a spike in the temperature making it an even hotter reading.
Only if the interior was exposed to direct sunlight. Provided measures were taken to prevent this (which would have been trivial), how would opening the door on an enclosure designed to let air freely circulate cause a temperature spike?”They didn't open door as the equipment would then register a spike in the temperature making it an even hotter reading.“
Is total crap!! The interview happened nowhere near the ‘hot event’ ...... they were both wearing COATS
dickymint said:
LimSlip said:
Gadgetmac said:
They didn't open door as the equipment would then register a spike in the temperature making it an even hotter reading.
Only if the interior was exposed to direct sunlight. Provided measures were taken to prevent this (which would have been trivial), how would opening the door on an enclosure designed to let air freely circulate cause a temperature spike?”They didn't open door as the equipment would then register a spike in the temperature making it an even hotter reading.“
Is total crap!! The interview happened nowhere near the ‘hot event’ ...... they were both wearing COATS
More likely they simply did not want to give th impression that would be prepared to compromise accuracy for just anyone or perhaps they thought the contents might not be very impressive in relation to the story.
Or it could have been an empty screen just being used as a prop for filming.
Hey, it's media entertainment - no reason to be filming real situations.
Absolutely brilliant!
A whole host of excuses for why the temperature on that day wasn’t what was reported from a bunch of non-scientists all claiming that the real scientists don’t really know how to do science.
According to you lot it’s actually impossible to record the correct temperature at a certain place at a certain time.
Thank f
k you don’t have any say in the real world.
A whole host of excuses for why the temperature on that day wasn’t what was reported from a bunch of non-scientists all claiming that the real scientists don’t really know how to do science.
According to you lot it’s actually impossible to record the correct temperature at a certain place at a certain time.
Thank f
k you don’t have any say in the real world.Edited by Gadgetmac on Saturday 28th December 15:21
dickymint said:
LimSlip said:
Gadgetmac said:
They didn't open door as the equipment would then register a spike in the temperature making it an even hotter reading.
Only if the interior was exposed to direct sunlight. Provided measures were taken to prevent this (which would have been trivial), how would opening the door on an enclosure designed to let air freely circulate cause a temperature spike?”They didn't open door as the equipment would then register a spike in the temperature making it an even hotter reading.“
Is total crap!! The interview happened nowhere near the ‘hot event’ ...... they were both wearing COATS
I can’t believe you are that thick. Well, I say I can’t...
Edited by Gadgetmac on Saturday 28th December 15:31
Gadgetmac said:
Absolutely brilliant!
A whole host of excuses for why the temperature on that day wasn’t what was reported from a bunch of non-scientists all claiming that the real scientists don’t really know how to do science.
According to you lot it’s actually impossible to record the correct temperature at a certain place at a certain time.
Thank fk you don’t have any say in the real world.
A “whole host” ?!?!? How many is that?A whole host of excuses for why the temperature on that day wasn’t what was reported from a bunch of non-scientists all claiming that the real scientists don’t really know how to do science.
According to you lot it’s actually impossible to record the correct temperature at a certain place at a certain time.
Thank f
k you don’t have any say in the real world.Edited by Gadgetmac on Saturday 28th December 15:21
Edit: didn’t take long for the personal abuse to reappear. Shame as you’ve been relatively civil of late.
Edited by dickymint on Saturday 28th December 15:51
Gadgetmac said:
dickymint said:
LimSlip said:
Gadgetmac said:
They didn't open door as the equipment would then register a spike in the temperature making it an even hotter reading.
Only if the interior was exposed to direct sunlight. Provided measures were taken to prevent this (which would have been trivial), how would opening the door on an enclosure designed to let air freely circulate cause a temperature spike?”They didn't open door as the equipment would then register a spike in the temperature making it an even hotter reading.“
Is total crap!! The interview happened nowhere near the ‘hot event’ ...... they were both wearing COATS
I can’t believe you are that thick. Well, I say I can’t...
Edited by Gadgetmac on Saturday 28th December 15:31
dickymint said:
Gadgetmac said:
dickymint said:
LimSlip said:
Gadgetmac said:
They didn't open door as the equipment would then register a spike in the temperature making it an even hotter reading.
Only if the interior was exposed to direct sunlight. Provided measures were taken to prevent this (which would have been trivial), how would opening the door on an enclosure designed to let air freely circulate cause a temperature spike?”They didn't open door as the equipment would then register a spike in the temperature making it an even hotter reading.“
Is total crap!! The interview happened nowhere near the ‘hot event’ ...... they were both wearing COATS
I can’t believe you are that thick. Well, I say I can’t...
Edited by Gadgetmac on Saturday 28th December 15:31
Get a grip.
Gadgetmac said:
dickymint said:
Edit: didn’t take long for the personal abuse to reappear. Shame as you’ve been relatively civil of late
Unlike you who is straight on to the condescending/snide comments like "off he goes to Google it" etcYou then had the cheek to post this about my knowledge v yours........ "Like you knew about met office or any other kind of calibration yourself before I posted that piece"
Which at least deserves a
I think you'll find my background is well documented on these forums for all to see - yet again you show your ignorance and willingness to learn.For those that are interested I'll dig out what UKAS (gadgey will have to google that....and he will) has to say on the matter.
Meanwhile I'm enjoying the football and gnawing on a Goose leg with chips and pickles
Gadgetmac said:
According to you lot it’s actually impossible to record the correct temperature at a certain place at a certain time.
I once also thought that it was quite easy to take accurate temperature measurements...Edited by Gadgetmac on Saturday 28th December 15:21
Then I discovered that we need very fine accuracy to measure recent global warming..0.8C or so before adjustment in the past 140 odd years. I thought that measuring such a slow change would be quite tricky actually.
The final clue that it is almost impossible to reliably record a correct temperature is the amount of adjustments the raw data are subject to..
Like I said nobody in climate science trusts unadjusted data.
dickymint said:
Which at least deserves a I think you'll find my background is well documented on these forums for all to see - yet again you show your ignorance and willingness to learn.
For those that are interested I'll dig out what UKAS (gadgey will have to google that....and he will) has to say on the matter.
Let’s not get carried away. I think you'll find my background is well documented on these forums for all to see - yet again you show your ignorance and willingness to learn.For those that are interested I'll dig out what UKAS (gadgey will have to google that....and he will) has to say on the matter.
Your background is not well documented at all. You spent years on the climate politics threads trying to get people banned and making out you had relevant expertise. It turned out you were blagging and have absolutely no relevant expertise whatsoever.
What exactly is this “background” you speak off and how is it relevant to climate science in any way?
El stovey said:
dickymint said:
Which at least deserves a I think you'll find my background is well documented on these forums for all to see - yet again you show your ignorance and willingness to learn.
For those that are interested I'll dig out what UKAS (gadgey will have to google that....and he will) has to say on the matter.
Let’s not get carried away. I think you'll find my background is well documented on these forums for all to see - yet again you show your ignorance and willingness to learn.For those that are interested I'll dig out what UKAS (gadgey will have to google that....and he will) has to say on the matter.
Your background is not well documented at all. You spent years on the climate politics threads trying to get people banned and making out you had relevant expertise. It turned out you were blagging and have absolutely no relevant expertise whatsoever.
What exactly is this “background” you speak off and how is it relevant to climate science in any way?
Relevant to this thread is why do you think Metrology is not relevant?
dickymint said:
I’ll ignore your usual ‘tag team’ tactics and baseless slurs. I’d suggest you start a new thread (maybe titled “so what have you done in your past Dicky).
Relevant to this thread is why do you think Metrology is not relevant?
So as expected, your “well documented background” is not well documented at all, just the same old hints at expertise and totally irrelevant to this thread. Relevant to this thread is why do you think Metrology is not relevant?
https://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/environment/cl...
El stovey said:
dickymint said:
I’ll ignore your usual ‘tag team’ tactics and baseless slurs. I’d suggest you start a new thread (maybe titled “so what have you done in your past Dicky).
Relevant to this thread is why do you think Metrology is not relevant?
So as expected, your “well documented background” is not well documented at all, just the same old hints at expertise and totally irrelevant to this thread. Relevant to this thread is why do you think Metrology is not relevant?
https://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/environment/cl...
Meanwhile - why do you think Metrology is not relevant to this thread?
El stovey said:
dickymint said:
I’ll ignore your usual ‘tag team’ tactics and baseless slurs. I’d suggest you start a new thread (maybe titled “so what have you done in your past Dicky).
Relevant to this thread is why do you think Metrology is not relevant?
So as expected, your “well documented background” is not well documented at all, just the same old hints at expertise and totally irrelevant to this thread. Relevant to this thread is why do you think Metrology is not relevant?
https://www.thedailymash.co.uk/news/environment/cl...
So true.
All of a sudden our resident banning instigator is a calibration expert as well as a climate scientist.
His expertise in the field of both being of a far higher standard than that of the Met Office.
They've clearly squandered millions of £££'s on equipment not fit for purpose and are maintaining it like rank amateurs...if only they'd asked dicky.
I wonder what other currently hidden talents he's keeping from us.
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