Climate Change - The Scientific Debate (Vol. II)

Climate Change - The Scientific Debate (Vol. II)

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Gadgetmac

14,984 posts

109 months

Tuesday 9th February 2021
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stew-STR160 said:
Gadgetmac said:
STR160 said:
I didn't say climate change was BS.
Then they move back to "but it's climate change will kill us all unless we stop greenhouse gases"... same old BS.

STR160 said:
And I've posted plenty of science papers and articles in the past which refute your religiously fanatical alarmist view. Oddly enough you usually ignored them.
Probably because they were funded by the Heartland Institute written by discredited non-climate-scientists and peer reviewed by WUWT.

My "Religiously fanatical alarmist view"?

Once again, not really paying attention are you?

Because "Oddly enough" my view is roughly the same as the vast majority of climate scientists nay scientists 'generally' together with EVERY single scientific institution on the Planet. The only thing "odd" is your ill informed anti-scientific lack of attention to what's going on in the field.
Shouldn't be surprised you didn't understand the post...there's a lot you've misunderstood the last couple of years.

I've spent a lot of the last year, during lock down and furlough, reading more and more papers. It's hilarious you think what you do after everything you claim to be so because certain "approved" groups said so. I'm sure you'd believe those groups if they said that sheep were actually gifted darts players.
When you say "papers" what you really mean is blogs by Tony Heller published on his ultra right wing website Real Climate Science as you've posted previously.

STR160

8,006 posts

239 months

Wednesday 10th February 2021
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Gadgetmac said:
stew-STR160 said:
Gadgetmac said:
STR160 said:
I didn't say climate change was BS.
Then they move back to "but it's climate change will kill us all unless we stop greenhouse gases"... same old BS.

STR160 said:
And I've posted plenty of science papers and articles in the past which refute your religiously fanatical alarmist view. Oddly enough you usually ignored them.
Probably because they were funded by the Heartland Institute written by discredited non-climate-scientists and peer reviewed by WUWT.

My "Religiously fanatical alarmist view"?

Once again, not really paying attention are you?

Because "Oddly enough" my view is roughly the same as the vast majority of climate scientists nay scientists 'generally' together with EVERY single scientific institution on the Planet. The only thing "odd" is your ill informed anti-scientific lack of attention to what's going on in the field.
Shouldn't be surprised you didn't understand the post...there's a lot you've misunderstood the last couple of years.

I've spent a lot of the last year, during lock down and furlough, reading more and more papers. It's hilarious you think what you do after everything you claim to be so because certain "approved" groups said so. I'm sure you'd believe those groups if they said that sheep were actually gifted darts players.
When you say "papers" what you really mean is blogs by Tony Heller published on his ultra right wing website Real Climate Science as you've posted previously.
You're confusing me with someone else. I've never linked anything to Real Climate Science as far as I can remember.

If Tony has ever mentioned a paper or such that might be of interest, I'll go directly to that paper.


As for ultra right wing...if that's what you really think then I think you need to reassess your views. Although it's become clear the last couple of years that anything right of far left is considered right wing and fascist.

Hey ho, let's get back to the actual science that's still open and ongoing shall we?

Gadgetmac

14,984 posts

109 months

Wednesday 10th February 2021
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STR160 said:
Hey ho, let's get back to the actual science that's still open and ongoing shall we?
That's all I ever post - the latest science - it's people like you that don't appear to like that but don't have any evidence to counter it that get all steamed up and after a year or so decide to re-join the discussion with an opinion that they are lying.



STR160

8,006 posts

239 months

Wednesday 10th February 2021
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Gadgetmac said:
STR160 said:
Hey ho, let's get back to the actual science that's still open and ongoing shall we?
That's all I ever post - the latest science - it's people like you that don't appear to like that but don't have any evidence to counter it that get all steamed up and after a year or so decide to re-join the discussion with an opinion that they are lying.
So to you science is either truth, or lying? How about another possibility- it could just be wrong? Despite how many are invested in it.

Take dark matter for example. Decades of research and absolute belief in its existence, and yet, people are coming round to the idea that it's highly likely to be totally wrong. Yet go back a decade and it one tried to argue against DM, they were run out of the room...

Gadgetmac

14,984 posts

109 months

Wednesday 10th February 2021
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STR160 said:
Gadgetmac said:
STR160 said:
Hey ho, let's get back to the actual science that's still open and ongoing shall we?
That's all I ever post - the latest science - it's people like you that don't appear to like that but don't have any evidence to counter it that get all steamed up and after a year or so decide to re-join the discussion with an opinion that they are lying.
So to you science is either truth, or lying? How about another possibility- it could just be wrong? Despite how many are invested in it.
rolleyes

STR160 said:
It looks nothing more than an attempted hit piece of crap opinion. It's like they're offended people on the opposite side of the political spectrum could see what their work meant and the authors didn't like it.
^^^

That's an insinuation of lying - how about you show some consistency? You're saying that they had to quickly cover up the implications of their work by stating that the 3 Republican columnists are wrong.

As an afterthought, why are you supporting these 3 particular conservative columnists (who don't have a climate credential to their name) and who blame Democratic leadership for exacerbating fuel build-ups through poor land management over those professors who wrote the study? That's 2 pro Trump Fox News presenters and a Scottish-American Historian. You have no knowledge of the issue and yet chose their side based on what exactly?

And what's with the different PH names? How many accounts have you got? hehe


Clive Milk

429 posts

41 months

Friday 12th February 2021
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Looking back into the past

Scientists said we created an ozone hole due to our actions. Nobody complained.

Scientists said we created acid rain due to our actions. Nobody complained.

Now:-

Scientists said we create a greenhouse effect due to CO2 emissions. Some people complain.

Is the latter just due to the public internet nowadays giving everyone a voice and the majority voice being from one country starting in U and ending in A?

Clive Milk

429 posts

41 months

Friday 12th February 2021
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STR160 said:
Gadgetmac said:
STR160 said:
Hey ho, let's get back to the actual science that's still open and ongoing shall we?
That's all I ever post - the latest science - it's people like you that don't appear to like that but don't have any evidence to counter it that get all steamed up and after a year or so decide to re-join the discussion with an opinion that they are lying.
So to you science is either truth, or lying? How about another possibility- it could just be wrong? Despite how many are invested in it.

Take dark matter for example. Decades of research and absolute belief in its existence, and yet, people are coming round to the idea that it's highly likely to be totally wrong. Yet go back a decade and it one tried to argue against DM, they were run out of the room...
As an aside, you say

"people are coming round to the idea"

"highly likely"


then you say

" totally wrong"


Whenever someone mentions highly likely and "totally wrong " in one sentence you know this is more for the heart than the head biggrin

Clive Milk

429 posts

41 months

Friday 12th February 2021
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The problem with this thread is that it not a scientific debate at all, it just a bunch of layman with a biased viewpoint, either way, just googling things to prop up their world view.

Continue .............




Clive Milk

429 posts

41 months

Friday 12th February 2021
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tongue out

mko9

2,375 posts

213 months

Friday 12th February 2021
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Clive Milk said:
The problem with this thread is that it not a scientific debate at all, it just a bunch of layman with a biased viewpoint, either way, just googling things to prop up their world view.

Continue .............
Hey, that's not science! And all you are doing is posting up something that agrees with your viewpoint! ;-)

Gadgetmac

14,984 posts

109 months

Friday 12th February 2021
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Clive Milk said:
The problem with this thread is that it not a scientific debate at all, it just a bunch of layman with a biased viewpoint, either way, just googling things to prop up their world view.

Continue .............
Yes, from my POV I’m simply posting the latest science published in respected journals and other places by scientists in the field for perusal by those who might be interested enough to read it.

smile


Gadgetmac

14,984 posts

109 months

Saturday 13th February 2021
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This seems timely...although it’s the US only.

Coldest Days Are Not as Cold

https://www.climatecentral.org/gallery/graphics/th...

The polar vortex is once again causing many of us to reach for long underwear and heavy sweaters. But because the Arctic is warming nearly three times faster than the rest of the planet, the Arctic air advancing into the U.S. isn't as cold as it used to be.

Climate Central looked at the annual lowest temperatures at 244 locations across the U.S and found that 98% have recorded a rise of at least 1°F in their yearly coldest temperature since 1970.

The average trend across these cities is a 7°F rise, and 42 cities have recorded an increase of 10°F or more. And the warming trend is happening in cities across the country: Boise, Idaho (16°F) Albany, N.Y. (14°F), Minneapolis (12°F), Nashville, Tenn. (14°F), and Anchorage, Alaska (12°F).

For clarity..

WHO WE ARE
An independent organization of leading scientists and journalists researching and reporting the facts about our changing climate and its impact on the public.

WHAT WE DO
Climate Central surveys and conducts scientific research on climate change and informs the public of key findings. Our scientists publish and our journalists report on climate science, energy, sea level rise. Read More

ABOUT OUR EXPERTISE
Members of the Climate Central staff and board are among the most respected leaders in climate science. Staff members are authorities in communicating climate and weather links, sea level rise, climate. Read More




PRTVR

7,119 posts

222 months

Saturday 13th February 2021
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Gadgetmac said:
This seems timely...although it’s the US only.

Coldest Days Are Not as Cold

https://www.climatecentral.org/gallery/graphics/th...

The polar vortex is once again causing many of us to reach for long underwear and heavy sweaters. But because the Arctic is warming nearly three times faster than the rest of the planet, the Arctic air advancing into the U.S. isn't as cold as it used to be.

Climate Central looked at the annual lowest temperatures at 244 locations across the U.S and found that 98% have recorded a rise of at least 1°F in their yearly coldest temperature since 1970.

The average trend across these cities is a 7°F rise, and 42 cities have recorded an increase of 10°F or more. And the warming trend is happening in cities across the country: Boise, Idaho (16°F) Albany, N.Y. (14°F), Minneapolis (12°F), Nashville, Tenn. (14°F), and Anchorage, Alaska (12°F).

For clarity..

WHO WE ARE
An independent organization of leading scientists and journalists researching and reporting the facts about our changing climate and its impact on the public.

WHAT WE DO
Climate Central surveys and conducts scientific research on climate change and informs the public of key findings. Our scientists publish and our journalists report on climate science, energy, sea level rise. Read More

ABOUT OUR EXPERTISE
Members of the Climate Central staff and board are among the most respected leaders in climate science. Staff members are authorities in communicating climate and weather links, sea level rise, climate. Read More
Coldest days are not as cold ?
Record cold spells goes on and reaches down to the gulf Coast.
https://www.severe-weather.eu/winter-weather/polar...

Toltec

7,161 posts

224 months

Saturday 13th February 2021
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Gadgetmac said:
This seems timely...although it’s the US only.

Coldest Days Are Not as Cold

https://www.climatecentral.org/gallery/graphics/th...

The polar vortex is once again causing many of us to reach for long underwear and heavy sweaters. But because the Arctic is warming nearly three times faster than the rest of the planet, the Arctic air advancing into the U.S. isn't as cold as it used to be.

Climate Central looked at the annual lowest temperatures at 244 locations across the U.S and found that 98% have recorded a rise of at least 1°F in their yearly coldest temperature since 1970.

The average trend across these cities is a 7°F rise, and 42 cities have recorded an increase of 10°F or more. And the warming trend is happening in cities across the country: Boise, Idaho (16°F) Albany, N.Y. (14°F), Minneapolis (12°F), Nashville, Tenn. (14°F), and Anchorage, Alaska (12°F).

For clarity..

WHO WE ARE
An independent organization of leading scientists and journalists researching and reporting the facts about our changing climate and its impact on the public.

WHAT WE DO
Climate Central surveys and conducts scientific research on climate change and informs the public of key findings. Our scientists publish and our journalists report on climate science, energy, sea level rise. Read More

ABOUT OUR EXPERTISE
Members of the Climate Central staff and board are among the most respected leaders in climate science. Staff members are authorities in communicating climate and weather links, sea level rise, climate. Read More
Yeah, but that's just a website, like YouTube, real science isn't published on websites...

wink

Gadgetmac

14,984 posts

109 months

Saturday 13th February 2021
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PRTVR said:
Gadgetmac said:
This seems timely...although it’s the US only.

Coldest Days Are Not as Cold

https://www.climatecentral.org/gallery/graphics/th...

The polar vortex is once again causing many of us to reach for long underwear and heavy sweaters. But because the Arctic is warming nearly three times faster than the rest of the planet, the Arctic air advancing into the U.S. isn't as cold as it used to be.

Climate Central looked at the annual lowest temperatures at 244 locations across the U.S and found that 98% have recorded a rise of at least 1°F in their yearly coldest temperature since 1970.

The average trend across these cities is a 7°F rise, and 42 cities have recorded an increase of 10°F or more. And the warming trend is happening in cities across the country: Boise, Idaho (16°F) Albany, N.Y. (14°F), Minneapolis (12°F), Nashville, Tenn. (14°F), and Anchorage, Alaska (12°F).

For clarity..

WHO WE ARE
An independent organization of leading scientists and journalists researching and reporting the facts about our changing climate and its impact on the public.

WHAT WE DO
Climate Central surveys and conducts scientific research on climate change and informs the public of key findings. Our scientists publish and our journalists report on climate science, energy, sea level rise. Read More

ABOUT OUR EXPERTISE
Members of the Climate Central staff and board are among the most respected leaders in climate science. Staff members are authorities in communicating climate and weather links, sea level rise, climate. Read More
Coldest days are not as cold ?
Record cold spells goes on and reaches down to the gulf Coast.
https://www.severe-weather.eu/winter-weather/polar...
Unfortunately the bigger picture is that record hot days are out numbering record cold days by a 2:1 ratio when you'd expect it to be 1:1 in a world with no overall warming.

Just one of many links:

https://www.climatesignals.org/data/record-high-te...

Excerpt:

Record-breaking high temperatures are now outnumbering record lows by an average decadal ratio of 2:1. Record highs are occurring more often than record lows due to climate change.

In a stable climate, the ratio of new record highs to new record lows is approximately even. However in our warming climate, record highs have begun to outpace record lows, with the imbalance growing for the past three decades. This trend is one of the clearest signals of climate change that we experience directly.


Gadgetmac

14,984 posts

109 months

Saturday 13th February 2021
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Toltec said:
Yeah, but that's just a website, like YouTube, real science isn't published on websites...

wink
https://www.sciencemag.org/about-first-release

wink

CoolHands

18,681 posts

196 months

Saturday 13th February 2021
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Gadgetmac said:
For clarity..

WHO WE ARE
An independent organization of leading scientists and journalists researching and reporting the facts about our changing climate and its impact on the public.

WHAT WE DO
Climate Central surveys and conducts scientific research on climate change and informs the public of key findings. Our scientists publish and our journalists report on climate science, energy, sea level rise. Read More

ABOUT OUR EXPERTISE
Members of the Climate Central staff and board are among the most respected leaders in climate science. Staff members are authorities in communicating climate and weather links, sea level rise, climate. Read More
That tells us fk all

WHO WE ARE
A ragtag group of self interested zealots

WHAT WE DO
Pick and choose bad date that makes the world look dire

ABOUT OUR EXPERTISE
many hours on internet forums and following greta on twitter. Occasional walting thrown in

Gadgetmac

14,984 posts

109 months

Saturday 13th February 2021
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CoolHands said:
Gadgetmac said:
For clarity..

WHO WE ARE
An independent organization of leading scientists and journalists researching and reporting the facts about our changing climate and its impact on the public.

WHAT WE DO
Climate Central surveys and conducts scientific research on climate change and informs the public of key findings. Our scientists publish and our journalists report on climate science, energy, sea level rise. Read More

ABOUT OUR EXPERTISE
Members of the Climate Central staff and board are among the most respected leaders in climate science. Staff members are authorities in communicating climate and weather links, sea level rise, climate. Read More
That tells us fk all

WHO WE ARE
A ragtag group of self interested zealots

WHAT WE DO
Pick and choose bad date that makes the world look dire

ABOUT OUR EXPERTISE
many hours on internet forums and following greta on twitter. Occasional walting thrown in
hehe so triggered by the words 'scientist' and 'scientific'.

Gadgetmac

14,984 posts

109 months

Monday 15th February 2021
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Sea level data confirms climate modeling projections were right

https://phys.org/news/2021-02-sea-climate.html

Projections of rising sea levels this century are on the money when tested against satellite and tide-gauge observations, scientists find.

Climate model projections of sea-level rises in the early 21st century are in good agreement with sea level data recorded in the corresponding period, a recent analysis has found.

And the scientists who crunched the numbers say the finding does not bode well for sea level impacts over coming decades if greenhouse gas emissions are not reined in.

In an article published recently in Nature Communications, the scientists from Chinese and Australian institutions including UNSW Sydney examined the global and regional sea level projections of two reports by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change: the Fifth Assessment Report (AR5) and Special Report on the Ocean and Cryosphere in a Changing Climate (SROCC).

They compared the reports' projections with the observed global and coastal sea level data gathered from satellites and a network of 177 tide-gauges from the start of the projections in 2007 up to to 2018. The scientists found that the trends of the AR5 and SROCC sea level projections under three different scenarios of greenhouse gas emissions "agree well with satellite and tide-gauge observations over the common period 2007–2018, within the 90 percent confidence level."

Study co-author and leading sea-level expert, Professor John Church, says while he thought the projections from modelling would be accurate at the global level, he was pleasantly surprised that they were as accurate at the regional and local level.




Gadgetmac

14,984 posts

109 months

Monday 15th February 2021
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Earth just had its 7th-warmest January on record

https://www.ncei.noaa.gov/news/global-climate-2021...

The globally averaged temperature departure from average over land and ocean surfaces for January 2021 was the seventh highest for the month of January in the 142-year NOAA record, which dates back to 1880.

The January 2021 global land and ocean surface temperature was the seventh highest in the 142-year record at 1.44°F (0.80°C) above the 20th-century average of 53.6°F (12.0°C).

January 2021 marked the 45th consecutive January and the 433rd consecutive month with temperatures, at least nominally, above the 20th-century average.

The year began with a La Niña episode in the tropical Pacific Ocean that started in August 2020. The El Niño-Southern Oscillation (ENSO) can affect global temperatures. La Niña tends to cool slightly global temperatures, while El Niño tends to boost global temperatures.

The Northern Hemisphere January 2021 temperature departure of 2.03°F (1.13°C) tied with 2019 as the fifth highest on record. The Southern Hemisphere’s temperature departure was 0.83°F (0.46°C) above average -- the smallest departure for January since 2012.

Temperatures were at least 4.5°F (2.5°C) above average over much of northern North America, northern Africa, southeastern Europe, and parts of the Middle East. Parts of the North and South Pacific Ocean and the northwestern Atlantic Ocean (off the U.S. Northeast coast) also had notable warm temperature departures of at least 3.6°F (2.0°C) above average.Meanwhile, much of northern Asia was at least 3.6°F (2.0°C) below average, in stark contrast to most of 2020, when the region was well above average. Additionally, cooler-than-average conditions were present across the central and eastern tropical Pacific Ocean, consistent with La Niña conditions, as well as the southeastern Pacific Ocean and the northern Atlantic Ocean (off the coast of Greenland).

Africa and North America had their warmest and second-warmest January, respectively, since regional records began in 1910.

According to a statistical analysis done by NCEI scientists, 2021 is very likely to rank among the 10 warmest years on record. There is only 2.9% chance of 2021 ending as the warmest year on record.