Climate Change - The Scientific Debate (Vol. II)
Discussion
Globs said:
plunker said:
the 'blade' on Mann's so-called hockey stick is the instrumental record so has already happened.
Did it, oh sorry, I hadn't noticed. Did anyone else notice?Sounds like this AGW stuff was just a huge distraction for everyone concerned then - doesn't it?
Edited by plunker on Saturday 6th May 01:16
So not much scientific debate going on here I guess .. layman yabba yabba yabba
Can someone please add some scientific wheat to the endless chaff ?
The above posts are like chatting to the 16 year old at Boots who specialises in make-up.
GET SOME SCIENCE INTO IT
Can someone please add some scientific wheat to the endless chaff ?
The above posts are like chatting to the 16 year old at Boots who specialises in make-up.
GET SOME SCIENCE INTO IT
Edited by Gandahar on Sunday 7th May 18:54
Gandahar said:
So not much scientific debate going on here I guess .. layman yabba yabba yabba
Can someone please add some scientific wheat to the endless chaff ?
Budgie smugler, hairy krishna and you yourself, were explaining how the temperature changes we are seeing now are of an unprecedented rate, and how scientists have shown this to be the case, about Thursday of this week, but that sort of petered out. Can someone please add some scientific wheat to the endless chaff ?
Do you have anything scientific to add there?
Silver Smudger said:
Gandahar said:
So not much scientific debate going on here I guess .. layman yabba yabba yabba
Can someone please add some scientific wheat to the endless chaff ?
Budgie smugler, hairy krishna and you yourself, were explaining how the temperature changes we are seeing now are of an unprecedented rate, and how scientists have shown this to be the case, about Thursday of this week, but that sort of petered out. Can someone please add some scientific wheat to the endless chaff ?
Do you have anything scientific to add there?
I'm more your Arctic / Antarctic person. I like that as a hobby. So I post that side of things. You will have lots of luck finding posts on here from me in that region to give a breadth to the claims from both sides.
Edited by Gandahar on Wednesday 17th May 00:09
Gandahar said:
Silver Smudger said:
Gandahar said:
So not much scientific debate going on here I guess .. layman yabba yabba yabba
Can someone please add some scientific wheat to the endless chaff ?
Budgie smugler, hairy krishna and you yourself, were explaining how the temperature changes we are seeing now are of an unprecedented rate, and how scientists have shown this to be the case, about Thursday of this week, but that sort of petered out. Can someone please add some scientific wheat to the endless chaff ?
Do you have anything scientific to add there?
I'm more your Arctic / Antarctic person. I like that as a hobby. So I post that side of things. You will have lots of luck finding posts on here from me in that region to give a breadth to the claims from both sides.
On Sat 29th April Gandahar said:
budgie smuggler said:
It's not just the absolute, it's the rate of change.
Exactly.Before man change was slow or fast naturally. Now it is slow or fast naturally plus an extra edition from man which is very fast, obviously, but we don't know yet the addition quantity wise. But there is some edition.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bEieWJghRNY
Any comments on this?
Does anyone subscribe to potholer54?
Any comments on this?
Does anyone subscribe to potholer54?
Arctic sea ice makes a comeback
https://www.thegwpf.com/arctic-sea-ice-bounces-bac...
I guess all those windmills are working.
https://www.thegwpf.com/arctic-sea-ice-bounces-bac...
I guess all those windmills are working.
Maybe that yellow thing in the sky has an effect?
http://principia-scientific.org/20-new-science-pap...
http://principia-scientific.org/20-new-science-pap...
Putting on my other skeptic shoes for the moment, this has to be the worst bit of none scientific rubbish I have read this year
http://edition.cnn.com/2017/06/20/opinions/southwe...
Glamorous Jill comes up with
"The ice at the poles of our oceans is melting"
Firstly the oceans do not have poles. There are two poles on the earth though. One is a continental land mass. Nice work Jill!
Then she says
"Yes, of course, heat waves happen, and the causes are complex. There is not a direct A to B line from "pollute the environment" and "die in a scorching June." But.."
But she fails to state those complex causes and then weakly goes onto say " the earth is getting warmer" as if to explain it anyway.
This made me laugh
"Mega-cities that are home to hundreds of millions are set to drown, "
Can you list them and timescale?
This is a woman who, according to CNN wrote
Jill Filipovic is a journalist based in New York and Nairobi, Kenya, and the author of the new book "The H-Spot: The Feminist Pursuit of Happiness."
You couldn't make it up could you ?
I do worry about all US sources, pro and con the AGW scientific debate. I take them all with a pinch of salt nowadays, too political to get any science actually out there without some slant....
http://edition.cnn.com/2017/06/20/opinions/southwe...
Glamorous Jill comes up with
"The ice at the poles of our oceans is melting"
Firstly the oceans do not have poles. There are two poles on the earth though. One is a continental land mass. Nice work Jill!
Then she says
"Yes, of course, heat waves happen, and the causes are complex. There is not a direct A to B line from "pollute the environment" and "die in a scorching June." But.."
But she fails to state those complex causes and then weakly goes onto say " the earth is getting warmer" as if to explain it anyway.
This made me laugh
"Mega-cities that are home to hundreds of millions are set to drown, "
Can you list them and timescale?
This is a woman who, according to CNN wrote
Jill Filipovic is a journalist based in New York and Nairobi, Kenya, and the author of the new book "The H-Spot: The Feminist Pursuit of Happiness."
You couldn't make it up could you ?
I do worry about all US sources, pro and con the AGW scientific debate. I take them all with a pinch of salt nowadays, too political to get any science actually out there without some slant....
grumbledoak said:
Arctic sea ice makes a comeback
https://www.thegwpf.com/arctic-sea-ice-bounces-bac...
I guess all those windmills are working.
You can't use figures yet to say any sort of comeback I'm afraid as the ice always tends to be in the ball park at this time of year as ice that always melts, such as in Hudson Bay and the atlantic still has not melted out completely. https://www.thegwpf.com/arctic-sea-ice-bounces-bac...
I guess all those windmills are working.
Once it is just the Antarctic basin that is left then you can see how much it has over previous years.
There cannot be a bounce back half way through the summer decline whilst not half over ! July and August will be more fun
If you look at this
https://ads.nipr.ac.jp/vishop/#/extent
You will see 2017 close to 2016 but lower than 2012 which had the lowest minimum ever. So how can 2017 be a bounce back? It's still massively lower than the average. But it still does not tell us much at the moment.
2012 extent was caused by weather and so low, so we can forget that. As was 2007, for different reasons. However if 2017 has same weather as 2016, which was a lovely "average" year weather wise and we see some change from 2016 then it may tell us something.
You have to play the long game for polar ice extent etc. You cannot say diddly for month to month or year. Half the time the extent is landlocked over winter so capped !
PS check the Antarctic extent out. Any mention on this website of that?
Edited by Gandahar on Friday 23 June 22:32
Summer is always a huge surprise and an annual source of dismay for the Warmists.
You'd think they'd learn.
f
kwits.
Global Warmists reminds me of a cat and a laser pointer, without the intelligence of the cat who learns to give up after a while.
Since they've began their quest to save the world much of the middle east has been covered in a fine, toxic depleted uranium dust with a half life of 4.5bn years, Fukushima has blown it's top with MOX (Plutonium) polluting much of the Pacific and reaching Alaska and the western US coastline + Hawaii.
Then there is a big push on to try for WWIII by surrounding Russia with nuke ready missiles and testing the NATO 'missile defence' shield' which allows a pre-emptive strike: which will finish all the warmists off for good. Number of warmists trying to prevent armageddon: 0.
I suspect most of them last summer were more concerned with 'Russian Aggression' than the consequences of a broken country in the middle of civil war allowing a forest fire next to Chernobyl spreading a big cloud of radiation all over Europe too. As I recall the fires were closer than comfort and there's a dead, dry forest there that is so radioactive it actually killed all the trees as they stood.
Then of course there is fracking, which already has polluted many fresh water aquifers and brings uranium oxide to the surface (A US company actually uses a fracking technique to mine it that way, citing the luck that it dissolves into the aquifers so they can pump it out and concentrate the yellowcake into giant drums). To be fair there has been some protest about that, but significantly diluted by the irrelevant quest to ban CO2.
On top of that the warmists managed to switch most of Europe over to diesel vehicles which are now being recognised as causing tens of thousands of grisly deaths via the NOx and particulate pollution: Exactly as the non-warmists had predicted and warned about. They would have been better engaged in fighting the moving tax known as 'stamp duty' so people could move closer to work, or fighting rail privatisation. Warmists 1, People 0.
I sometimes wonder if it's the lack of any scientific method training or just an extension of the 'proud to be hip-n-thick' movement but the damage the big AGW distraction has done by steering these morons away from the real issues toward some bizarre fantasy about CO2: it's significantly damaging: it's almost as if no real environmental damage matters anymore.
I wonder how many of the 160,000 californian snowflakes threatened by the Oroville dam's imminent collapse this winter had campaigned against CO2 while ignoring the very real dangers they were facing if only they'd turned around and looked the other way. I guess they didn't think it would ever rain again, like those dumb australians who built car parks over their storm drains for the same reason. It must have seemed like a good idea until people died and all their cars floated away.
The abuse and misuse of the word 'science' has a lot to answer for and a large cost for all of us.
Melting arctic ice.
FFS.
Sometimes I despair.
You'd think they'd learn.
f
kwits.Global Warmists reminds me of a cat and a laser pointer, without the intelligence of the cat who learns to give up after a while.
Since they've began their quest to save the world much of the middle east has been covered in a fine, toxic depleted uranium dust with a half life of 4.5bn years, Fukushima has blown it's top with MOX (Plutonium) polluting much of the Pacific and reaching Alaska and the western US coastline + Hawaii.
Then there is a big push on to try for WWIII by surrounding Russia with nuke ready missiles and testing the NATO 'missile defence' shield' which allows a pre-emptive strike: which will finish all the warmists off for good. Number of warmists trying to prevent armageddon: 0.
I suspect most of them last summer were more concerned with 'Russian Aggression' than the consequences of a broken country in the middle of civil war allowing a forest fire next to Chernobyl spreading a big cloud of radiation all over Europe too. As I recall the fires were closer than comfort and there's a dead, dry forest there that is so radioactive it actually killed all the trees as they stood.
Then of course there is fracking, which already has polluted many fresh water aquifers and brings uranium oxide to the surface (A US company actually uses a fracking technique to mine it that way, citing the luck that it dissolves into the aquifers so they can pump it out and concentrate the yellowcake into giant drums). To be fair there has been some protest about that, but significantly diluted by the irrelevant quest to ban CO2.
On top of that the warmists managed to switch most of Europe over to diesel vehicles which are now being recognised as causing tens of thousands of grisly deaths via the NOx and particulate pollution: Exactly as the non-warmists had predicted and warned about. They would have been better engaged in fighting the moving tax known as 'stamp duty' so people could move closer to work, or fighting rail privatisation. Warmists 1, People 0.
I sometimes wonder if it's the lack of any scientific method training or just an extension of the 'proud to be hip-n-thick' movement but the damage the big AGW distraction has done by steering these morons away from the real issues toward some bizarre fantasy about CO2: it's significantly damaging: it's almost as if no real environmental damage matters anymore.
I wonder how many of the 160,000 californian snowflakes threatened by the Oroville dam's imminent collapse this winter had campaigned against CO2 while ignoring the very real dangers they were facing if only they'd turned around and looked the other way. I guess they didn't think it would ever rain again, like those dumb australians who built car parks over their storm drains for the same reason. It must have seemed like a good idea until people died and all their cars floated away.
The abuse and misuse of the word 'science' has a lot to answer for and a large cost for all of us.
Melting arctic ice.
FFS.
Sometimes I despair.
Globs said:
Summer is always a huge surprise and an annual source of dismay for the Warmists.
You'd think they'd learn.
fkwits.
Global Warmists reminds me of a cat and a laser pointer, without the intelligence of the cat who learns to give up after a while.
Since they've began their quest to save the world much of the middle east has been covered in a fine, toxic depleted uranium dust with a half life of 4.5bn years, Fukushima has blown it's top with MOX (Plutonium) polluting much of the Pacific and reaching Alaska and the western US coastline + Hawaii.
Then there is a big push on to try for WWIII by surrounding Russia with nuke ready missiles and testing the NATO 'missile defence' shield' which allows a pre-emptive strike: which will finish all the warmists off for good. Number of warmists trying to prevent armageddon: 0.
I suspect most of them last summer were more concerned with 'Russian Aggression' than the consequences of a broken country in the middle of civil war allowing a forest fire next to Chernobyl spreading a big cloud of radiation all over Europe too. As I recall the fires were closer than comfort and there's a dead, dry forest there that is so radioactive it actually killed all the trees as they stood.
Then of course there is fracking, which already has polluted many fresh water aquifers and brings uranium oxide to the surface (A US company actually uses a fracking technique to mine it that way, citing the luck that it dissolves into the aquifers so they can pump it out and concentrate the yellowcake into giant drums). To be fair there has been some protest about that, but significantly diluted by the irrelevant quest to ban CO2.
On top of that the warmists managed to switch most of Europe over to diesel vehicles which are now being recognised as causing tens of thousands of grisly deaths via the NOx and particulate pollution: Exactly as the non-warmists had predicted and warned about. They would have been better engaged in fighting the moving tax known as 'stamp duty' so people could move closer to work, or fighting rail privatisation. Warmists 1, People 0.
I sometimes wonder if it's the lack of any scientific method training or just an extension of the 'proud to be hip-n-thick' movement but the damage the big AGW distraction has done by steering these morons away from the real issues toward some bizarre fantasy about CO2: it's significantly damaging: it's almost as if no real environmental damage matters anymore.
I wonder how many of the 160,000 californian snowflakes threatened by the Oroville dam's imminent collapse this winter had campaigned against CO2 while ignoring the very real dangers they were facing if only they'd turned around and looked the other way. I guess they didn't think it would ever rain again, like those dumb australians who built car parks over their storm drains for the same reason. It must have seemed like a good idea until people died and all their cars floated away.
The abuse and misuse of the word 'science' has a lot to answer for and a large cost for all of us.
Melting arctic ice.
FFS.
Sometimes I despair.
The abuse and misuse of a none scientific post in this forum makes me despair also.You'd think they'd learn.
f
kwits.Global Warmists reminds me of a cat and a laser pointer, without the intelligence of the cat who learns to give up after a while.
Since they've began their quest to save the world much of the middle east has been covered in a fine, toxic depleted uranium dust with a half life of 4.5bn years, Fukushima has blown it's top with MOX (Plutonium) polluting much of the Pacific and reaching Alaska and the western US coastline + Hawaii.
Then there is a big push on to try for WWIII by surrounding Russia with nuke ready missiles and testing the NATO 'missile defence' shield' which allows a pre-emptive strike: which will finish all the warmists off for good. Number of warmists trying to prevent armageddon: 0.
I suspect most of them last summer were more concerned with 'Russian Aggression' than the consequences of a broken country in the middle of civil war allowing a forest fire next to Chernobyl spreading a big cloud of radiation all over Europe too. As I recall the fires were closer than comfort and there's a dead, dry forest there that is so radioactive it actually killed all the trees as they stood.
Then of course there is fracking, which already has polluted many fresh water aquifers and brings uranium oxide to the surface (A US company actually uses a fracking technique to mine it that way, citing the luck that it dissolves into the aquifers so they can pump it out and concentrate the yellowcake into giant drums). To be fair there has been some protest about that, but significantly diluted by the irrelevant quest to ban CO2.
On top of that the warmists managed to switch most of Europe over to diesel vehicles which are now being recognised as causing tens of thousands of grisly deaths via the NOx and particulate pollution: Exactly as the non-warmists had predicted and warned about. They would have been better engaged in fighting the moving tax known as 'stamp duty' so people could move closer to work, or fighting rail privatisation. Warmists 1, People 0.
I sometimes wonder if it's the lack of any scientific method training or just an extension of the 'proud to be hip-n-thick' movement but the damage the big AGW distraction has done by steering these morons away from the real issues toward some bizarre fantasy about CO2: it's significantly damaging: it's almost as if no real environmental damage matters anymore.
I wonder how many of the 160,000 californian snowflakes threatened by the Oroville dam's imminent collapse this winter had campaigned against CO2 while ignoring the very real dangers they were facing if only they'd turned around and looked the other way. I guess they didn't think it would ever rain again, like those dumb australians who built car parks over their storm drains for the same reason. It must have seemed like a good idea until people died and all their cars floated away.
The abuse and misuse of the word 'science' has a lot to answer for and a large cost for all of us.
Melting arctic ice.
FFS.
Sometimes I despair.
Why don't you go and post on the "get it off my chest forum" ? as you failed miserably to mention any science at all and simply did a letter to the BBC complaining about something. Dear Points of view ....
Meanwhile. some science
https://www.bas.ac.uk/media-post/climate-change-ma...
Edited by Gandahar on Thursday 29th June 20:07
Gandahar said:
Where is the science? The link you posted is totally devoid of any science whatsoever.As this is a science thread why don't you try some for a change? Your link basically says:
1. Climate changes
2. Some ice may melt
What is this, remedial science for two year olds?
Climate on earth has been changing for 4.5bn years, get over it.
Ice has been forming and melting for roughly the same time period.
If you are going to post something against me please try something less pathetic and useless, your effort lacks any merit, you've obviously done zero research and don't have a clue about either science or the scientific method, preferring the lazy position of 'useful idiot' instead.
0/10, could try harder. A lot harder. My cat knows more about the climate than you do. Jeez.
Gandahar said:
The abuse and misuse of a none scientific post in this forum makes me despair also.
Why don't you go and post on the "get it off my chest forum" ? as you failed miserably to mention any science at all and simply did a letter to the BBC complaining about something. Dear Points of view ....
Meanwhile. some science
https://www.bas.ac.uk/media-post/climate-change-ma...
If you wish to contribute some science, perhaps you could scroll up to my last post, where you will find out where you left off last time?Why don't you go and post on the "get it off my chest forum" ? as you failed miserably to mention any science at all and simply did a letter to the BBC complaining about something. Dear Points of view ....
Meanwhile. some science
https://www.bas.ac.uk/media-post/climate-change-ma...
No-one else seems interested in the question I asked ...
Gandahar said:
The abuse and misuse of a none scientific post in this forum makes me despair also.
Why don't you go and post on the "get it off my chest forum" ? as you failed miserably to mention any science at all and simply did a letter to the BBC complaining about something. Dear Points of view ....
Meanwhile. some science
https://www.bas.ac.uk/media-post/climate-change-ma...
What always worries me with articles like that is the implicit message that the climate should be static and nothing should ever change. Why don't you go and post on the "get it off my chest forum" ? as you failed miserably to mention any science at all and simply did a letter to the BBC complaining about something. Dear Points of view ....
Meanwhile. some science
https://www.bas.ac.uk/media-post/climate-change-ma...
Edited by Gandahar on Thursday 29th June 20:07
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