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Mojocvh said:
It's
not
Musk's
idea.
To be fair - PayPal wasn't Musks idea, he was trying to create something different. Tesla wasn't Musks idea - he just made it happen. Solar power was being used before Solarcity, he helped to bring it to the masses. Reusable rockets have been thought of before.not
Musk's
idea.
Edited by Mojocvh on Tuesday 2nd February 17:49
If he can facilitate improvements in technology and make people think about doing things better then I think he's doing a good thing.
mondeoman said:
So? What the f
k is your point? No-one else is putting their money into it, he is making it happen.
I can see that you use profanity to try and make a point, my point is that Mr Musk is a rich individual and this is probably more of a marketing exorcise. I have no doubt there will be lucrative tax benefits in doing this project but do you honestly think that all our rail transport will be ripped up and replaced by this technology. probably not and if it did depending on how old your are it may never happen in your life time. k is your point? No-one else is putting their money into it, he is making it happen.Toaster said:
mondeoman said:
So? What the fk is your point? No-one else is putting their money into it, he is making it happen.
I can see that you use profanity to try and make a point, my point is that Mr Musk is a rich individual and this is probably more of a marketing exorcise. I have no doubt there will be lucrative tax benefits in doing this project but do you honestly think that all our rail transport will be ripped up and replaced by this technology. probably not and if it did depending on how old your are it may never happen in your life time. k is your point? No-one else is putting their money into it, he is making it happen.Toaster said:
mondeoman said:
So? What the fk is your point? No-one else is putting their money into it, he is making it happen.
I can see that you use profanity to try and make a point, my point is that Mr Musk is a rich individual and this is probably more of a marketing exorcise. I have no doubt there will be lucrative tax benefits in doing this project but do you honestly think that all our rail transport will be ripped up and replaced by this technology. probably not and if it did depending on how old your are it may never happen in your life time. k is your point? No-one else is putting their money into it, he is making it happen.Thing is, a normal train already has an excellent drag to volume ratio, being long and thin (small frontal area).
Normal trains are also mostly speed limited these days by their wheels and the quality of the track, rather than the air they have to move out of the way. (Mag-lev trains already do 270mph in service). And in a vacuum, how do you get power to the train? (hint, a vacuum is a very poor electrical insulator)
Normal trains are also mostly speed limited these days by their wheels and the quality of the track, rather than the air they have to move out of the way. (Mag-lev trains already do 270mph in service). And in a vacuum, how do you get power to the train? (hint, a vacuum is a very poor electrical insulator)
Max_Torque said:
Thing is, a normal train already has an excellent drag to volume ratio, being long and thin (small frontal area).
Normal trains are also mostly speed limited these days by their wheels and the quality of the track, rather than the air they have to move out of the way. (Mag-lev trains already do 270mph in service). And in a vacuum, how do you get power to the train? (hint, a vacuum is a very poor electrical insulator)
They're battery powered supposedly.Normal trains are also mostly speed limited these days by their wheels and the quality of the track, rather than the air they have to move out of the way. (Mag-lev trains already do 270mph in service). And in a vacuum, how do you get power to the train? (hint, a vacuum is a very poor electrical insulator)
By induction I imagine.
Seems that for practical reasons, both Hyperloop companies have moved away from Musk's initial idea of an 'air ride' type capsule (like an air-hockey table) towards mag lev.
So that may mean the capsule itself is relatively simple and has just ancillary stuff like lights, AC etc.
The track / tube on the other hand....
http://www.wsj.com/articles/hyperloop-race-picks-u...
Seems that for practical reasons, both Hyperloop companies have moved away from Musk's initial idea of an 'air ride' type capsule (like an air-hockey table) towards mag lev.
So that may mean the capsule itself is relatively simple and has just ancillary stuff like lights, AC etc.
The track / tube on the other hand....
http://www.wsj.com/articles/hyperloop-race-picks-u...
mondeoman said:
Must be nice to be a luddite . Perhaps he's doing it because he's a smart rich bugger who can make a change, and wants to. Read up on Tesla cars, Space X and now hyperloop . He makes thing happen, and I find it exciting to be around and know about people who make things happen.
Your first mistake is that you assume I am a luddite, your second is assuming I don't make things happen like many on here they are smart but not in the press and may not make as much as Musk but they have an impact on our world. Most of what Mr Musk is doing is not new and a commercial reapplication and reincarnation of what has been developed by others I do not begrudge him of that. From what I can tell having never met the man is that he has deep pockets to commercially exploit stuff that has been previously invented by others good luck to him and others like him.
Toaster said:
mondeoman said:
Must be nice to be a luddite . Perhaps he's doing it because he's a smart rich bugger who can make a change, and wants to. Read up on Tesla cars, Space X and now hyperloop . He makes thing happen, and I find it exciting to be around and know about people who make things happen.
Your first mistake is that you assume I am a luddite, your second is assuming I don't make things happen like many on here they are smart but not in the press and may not make as much as Musk but they have an impact on our world. Most of what Mr Musk is doing is not new and a commercial reapplication and reincarnation of what has been developed by others I do not begrudge him of that. From what I can tell having never met the man is that he has deep pockets to commercially exploit stuff that has been previously invented by others good luck to him and others like him.
Toaster said:
mondeoman said:
Must be nice to be a luddite . Perhaps he's doing it because he's a smart rich bugger who can make a change, and wants to. Read up on Tesla cars, Space X and now hyperloop . He makes thing happen, and I find it exciting to be around and know about people who make things happen.
Your first mistake is that you assume I am a luddite, your second is assuming I don't make things happen like many on here they are smart but not in the press and may not make as much as Musk but they have an impact on our world. Most of what Mr Musk is doing is not new and a commercial reapplication and reincarnation of what has been developed by others I do not begrudge him of that. From what I can tell having never met the man is that he has deep pockets to commercially exploit stuff that has been previously invented by others good luck to him and others like him.
jammy_basturd said:
I think you're quite wide of the mark. Firstly, I don't think Elon Musk needs any more marketing, nor is he doing this for us (UK residents).
Invention is a public good - it benefits everybody. Otherwise it's like arguing the invention of the jet engine has no benefit to airline passengers in the US as it didn't originate there.Hyperloop Transportation Technologies come to agreement with Slovakian government to build a hyperloop in Bratislava with eventual routes to Vienna and Budapest.
Wired claim 2-300M USD for the first stage, so I would guess a link to the airport?
Wired claim 2-300M USD for the first stage, so I would guess a link to the airport?
The UAE's dept of civic white elephant breeding has decided that whatever the question was, the answer is 'Hyperloop'. 
Edited by hidetheelephants on Thursday 6th October 05:55
pherlopolus said:
Never is a very long time.
Any technical issues will be overcome eventually. Whether it will be cost effective as it stands is another question, I would choose this over flying domestically any day though.
I wouldn't - if the "vacuum" system fails then you're dead, and putting something like that out in the open in a county filled with people with guns is asking for it. Any technical issues will be overcome eventually. Whether it will be cost effective as it stands is another question, I would choose this over flying domestically any day though.
I don't get this "can't be done" attitude people have, there is a lot of innovation around, arguably we are at the start of an exponential curve of technological improvement and I would imagine there is stuff in development that would make your head spin..
Just because the lay person can't see how something could work, doesn't mean it won't. People on the "Person Carrying Drone" thread are worrying about problems that have already been fixed in commercial air travel. This happens on all the threads like this. Luckily everyone doesn't think something difficult can't be done, or we would still be walking everywhere - somewhere in africa.
Just because the lay person can't see how something could work, doesn't mean it won't. People on the "Person Carrying Drone" thread are worrying about problems that have already been fixed in commercial air travel. This happens on all the threads like this. Luckily everyone doesn't think something difficult can't be done, or we would still be walking everywhere - somewhere in africa.
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