Boeing Starliner

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MartG

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Wednesday 18th December 2019
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Eric Mc said:
Interesting video. I hadn't realised that the booster only placed the spaceship on a sub-orbital trajectory and that it would be the engines on the Starliner itself that would place the capsule into "proper" orbit. That's similar to the technique used by the Space Shuttle.

The Space Shuttles Solid Rocket Boosters and Main Engines placed the Orbiter in a sub-orbital trajectory and then the Orbiter used its Orbital Manoeuvering System engines to achieve a genuine orbit.
Quite common, to avoid having spent upper stages left in orbit.

Eric Mc

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Wednesday 18th December 2019
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Yes - but only the second time on a manned craft, as far as I am aware.

MartG

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Thursday 19th December 2019
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Due off 11:36 GMT tomorrow

Beati Dogu

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Thursday 19th December 2019
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The Atlas V has been rolled out to the pad and the mission to ISS is still on for Friday at 6:36:43 am local (11:36:43 am UK time). It's an instantaneous launch. so no holds past that time.

The capsule has a test dummy onboard called Rosie the Rocketeer, complete with a spotted headscarf like the famous poster of Rosie the Riveter from WW2.



Also onboard will be Bill Boeing’s Air Travel card from 1933, which he used to get free flights on company planes.

Eric Mc

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Friday 20th December 2019
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Video link for those who might want to watch.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K82CRHDT1wc

This is a very important moment in American manned spaceflight history. Hope all goes well.

MartG

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Friday 20th December 2019
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Is it just me or is the ULA coverage rubbish compared to SpaceX:

720p rather than 1080p
No onscreen telemetry ( velocity, altitude etc. )
No onboard video of staging
No onboard video of Starliner separation

MartG

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Friday 20th December 2019
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Reports of issues with the orbital insertion burn

"We do have an off-nominal orbit insertion," says Steve Siceloff, a Boeing spokesperson at mission control in Houston. "We have spacecraft control. Guidance and control teams are assessing their next maneuvers. Spacecraft batteries are good, and the spacecraft is in a stable orbit."

Apparently the burn was delayed as the spacecraft was in the wrong attitude for the burn

MartG

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Friday 20th December 2019
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MartG

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Friday 20th December 2019
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Boeing’s 737 Max team: “we’re all gonna lose our jobs! This plane is a disaster!
Boeing’s Starliner team: hold our beers.

MartG

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Friday 20th December 2019
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Kelly Kaplan, a Boeing spokesperson, says the Starliner spacecraft "experienced an off-nominal insertion" following a successful launch on an Atlas 5 rocket.

"The spacecraft currently is in safe and stable configuration," she said. "Flight controllers have completed a successful initial burn and are assessing next steps. Boeing and NASA are working together to review options for the test and mission opportunities available while the Starliner remains in orbit."

That last bit doesn't look too hopeful for it reaching the ISS

Eric Mc

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Friday 20th December 2019
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Boeing is really not generating a lot of confidence in their capabilities at the moment.

eharding

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Friday 20th December 2019
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Following Tim Dodd's livestream and linked Twitter accounts, it appears as if they're already burned too much fuel correcting earlier errors to be able to make it to the ISS.

Flooble

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Friday 20th December 2019
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‘Safe and Stable’ LOL. I envisage it staying up there for another two years then!

hidetheelephants

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Friday 20th December 2019
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No doubt Musk will be thinking up some bon mot to put on twitter, Bezos will be in his secret bunker under a volcano, laughing maniacally while stroking a white cat.

Eric Mc

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Friday 20th December 2019
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Flooble said:
‘Safe and Stable’ LOL. I envisage it staying up there for another two years then!
Is the spacecraft called "The Theresa May"?

Mark-C

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Friday 20th December 2019
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So the best they can do from here is get it back safely ...

eharding

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Friday 20th December 2019
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Eric Mc said:
Flooble said:
‘Safe and Stable’ LOL. I envisage it staying up there for another two years then!
Is the spacecraft called "The Theresa May"?
Apparently Jim Bridenstine has been on the phone to the DUP asking for help keeping the Starliner in a Safe and Stable orbit.

Eric Mc

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Friday 20th December 2019
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Scott Manley is saying that it used up too much of its rendezvous fuel just holding the correct attitude. There's a press conference coming up very shortly.

eharding

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Friday 20th December 2019
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Eric Mc said:
Scott Manley is saying that it used up too much of its rendezvous fuel just holding the correct attitude. There's a press conference coming up very shortly.
Looking back at the coverage from the control room at the graphics on the large screen, it does appear to show attitude thrusters firing constantly.

MartG

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Friday 20th December 2019
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eharding said:
Eric Mc said:
Scott Manley is saying that it used up too much of its rendezvous fuel just holding the correct attitude. There's a press conference coming up very shortly.
Looking back at the coverage from the control room at the graphics on the large screen, it does appear to show attitude thrusters firing constantly.
Maybe if they'd had decent onboard video they'd have spotted the issue early enough to correct it

Big question now is will Boeing demand more money from NASA to rerun the test ? I don't think SpaceX did when their Dragon2 blew up, but Boeing did recently get some extra money when they intimated they could walk away from the contract frown