Soyuz

[Eric Mc]

It's a real pity that Roscosmos doesn't have the same type of HD camera tracking that NASA has at Cape Canveral.

[funkyrobot]

Indeed. Things may have been clearer if that was the case.

I guess they don't have external onboard cams either like SpaceX etc?

[Eric Mc]

They do fit external cameras, sometimes. I expect whether they bother fitting external cameras is down to weight considerations and, more likely, cost.

[Solocle]

External boosters smacking into the central stage is a very easy problem to have. It could well be.

[Eric Mc]

The odd thing would be is that they have launched literally thousands of this type of rocket (the R7) going right back to 1956. Having the boosters strike the central core stage is extremely rare. In fact, I can't recall any single incident of it ever happening. When they are jettisoned, aerodynamics usually cause the boosters to fall away from the central stage in a quickly divergent path - forming what has often been referred to as "Korolev's Cross" (after Sergei Korolev, the designer of the R7 booster).



Onboard footage of the boosters falling away at 1.30. Note the manner in which they separate and tumble -

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Uf1Wu1BT5jo

[funkyrobot]

It definitely looks like something slapped the core or ruptured. There is a little black plume of something in the Scott Manley vid that appears just before booster seperation.

Something popped or something hit it?

Not another bit of handy work with the old drill again?

Like Eric mentioned before. There seems to be debris present after the booster separation.

Edited by funkyrobot on Friday 12th October 08:16

[Eric Mc]

I'm always reluctant to get involved in conspiracy theories. However, there has been a consistent problem with Russian space technology over the past few years regarding sloppiness in construction and poor quality control and management.

Incompetence is usually a far more likely cause of problems than deliberate malpractice.

[Kccv23highliftcam]

Eric Mc said:

I'm always reluctant to get involved in conspiracy theories. However, there has been a consistent problem with Russian space technology over the past few years regarding sloppiness in construction and poor quality control and management.

Incompetence is usually a far more likely cause of problems than deliberate malpractice.

Normally you would say YES.

It will be tragic for all concerned if the Russian space program (Well this part) has been weaponised by Putin and his cohorts..

[Eric Mc]

I don't see Putin sabotaging his own country's space efforts.

[Kccv23highliftcam]

Eric Mc said:

I don't see Putin sabotaging his own country's space efforts.

That's the point Eric, it isn't "his"....


Anyway..they don't make then like they used to...


https://youtu.be/-sUXMzkh-jI

[Eric Mc]

Kccv23highliftcam said:

Eric Mc said:

I don't see Putin sabotaging his own country's space efforts.

That's the point Eric, it isn't "his"....


Anyway..they don't make then like they used to...


https://youtu.be/-sUXMzkh-jI

I don't see any "point" in that theory at all.

Russian incompetence is far more the likely cause.

[Kccv23highliftcam]

Eric Mc said:

Kccv23highliftcam said:

Eric Mc said:

I don't see Putin sabotaging his own country's space efforts.

That's the point Eric, it isn't "his"....


Anyway..they don't make then like they used to...


https://youtu.be/-sUXMzkh-jI

I don't see any "point" in that theory at all.

Russian incompetence is far more the likely cause.

Well there's been plenty of that in the news recently....

[Eric Mc]

Exactly. I think their "Quality Control" measures leave a lot to be desired.

[funkyrobot]

It's a bit tough for them at the moment.

One of their aircraft carriers was on fire the other day.

[Eric Mc]

Say no more.

The main problem now is that there is no human access to the ISS as there is no other launch system currently available.

[Eric Mc]

View of the abort taken from the space station.

[Toaster]

I guess we have our issues such as no Harriers the F35's are grounded, the US doesnt have space shuttles after thier incidents and loss of life we do not have Concorde and of course the americans have issues with thier Navy https://edition.cnn.com/2017/08/21/politics/navy-s...

So the russians are just falling in line with the west

[4x4Tyke]

Eric Mc said:

I'm always reluctant to get involved in conspiracy theories. However, there has been a consistent problem with Russian space technology over the past few years regarding sloppiness in construction and poor quality control and management.

Incompetence is usually a far more likely cause of problems than deliberate malpractice.

A degree of complacency would feed into that as well.

Had any more thoughts on the plume oscillating a little beforehand?

I've watch the MS-09 video and that doesn't seem to happen.

[funkyrobot]

4x4Tyke said:

Eric Mc said:

I'm always reluctant to get involved in conspiracy theories. However, there has been a consistent problem with Russian space technology over the past few years regarding sloppiness in construction and poor quality control and management.

Incompetence is usually a far more likely cause of problems than deliberate malpractice.

A degree of complacency would feed into that as well.

Had any more thoughts on the plume oscillating a little beforehand?

I've watch the MS-09 video and that doesn't seem to happen.

Could be a rupture or a strike that caused it?

[funkyrobot]

Eric Mc said:

View of the abort taken from the space station.

Put the welcome cake back in the freezer chaps.