Faster than light travel
Poll: Faster than light travel
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Discussion
Ayahuasca said:
Doesn't gravity travel faster than light?
Or, was the gravity that we experience now created in the past and has traveled to us at light speed?
Nope, gravity has speed.. Or, was the gravity that we experience now created in the past and has traveled to us at light speed?
As Jupiter moved between Earth and the quasar, the gravitational bending of Jupiter allowed us to measure the speed of gravity, ruling out an infinite speed and determining that the speed of gravity was between 2.55 × 10^8 and 3.81 × 10^8 meters-per-second, completely consistent with Einstein's predictions.
Not a hope in hell, ever.
The energy requirements for any of the theories listed (or any others, for that matter) simply defy grasping in a real sense.
Do we really think the human race is showing any progress towards all agreeing that spending thousands and thousands of billions of pounds on a worldwide, unified approach to energy use?
Is anyone spending similar amounts on researching the equipment necessary?
No, every small-minded, petty nation is focussed on the next few years of spending on ensuring that their own lowest common denominators have their every whim catered for, such that they stay in power.
Science Fiction is an accurate description.
The energy requirements for any of the theories listed (or any others, for that matter) simply defy grasping in a real sense.
Do we really think the human race is showing any progress towards all agreeing that spending thousands and thousands of billions of pounds on a worldwide, unified approach to energy use?
Is anyone spending similar amounts on researching the equipment necessary?
No, every small-minded, petty nation is focussed on the next few years of spending on ensuring that their own lowest common denominators have their every whim catered for, such that they stay in power.
Science Fiction is an accurate description.
The atomic clock tests are faulty and time dilation is garbage. An atomic clock involves motion of matter, matter with mass, and anything of mass in motion around the earth will be affected by gravitational forces and suchlike. The difference in position and motion of the clocks on the aeroplane and on the ground explains why their times appeared different. Time didn't bend, the motion of the matter within the clock was affected and that is all.
There is no reason why the speed of light cannot be exceeded. All we have done as humans is seize upon it as some kind of limit.
However what will limit how fast we can go will be the method we would implement to navigate around celestial bodies.
There is no reason why the speed of light cannot be exceeded. All we have done as humans is seize upon it as some kind of limit.
However what will limit how fast we can go will be the method we would implement to navigate around celestial bodies.
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anonymous said:
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Rrriiiiight...anonymous said:
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...in other words, the moving, high-altitude clocks ran at different speeds to non-moving clocks here on earth. Exactly as predicted by Special and General Relativity.anonymous said:
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That'll show those lightweights Maxwell and Einstein!anonymous said:
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You literally wrote a whole bunch of speculation with no basis, evidence or even theory why it would even be remotely true. You are at step 1 of science.Whereas general relativity is fully worked out and at 'Benefits and outcome'. Things like GPS telling you within inches where you are on the world wouldnt be possible without it.
anonymous said:
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What about particle accelerator tests - also faulty and garbage?https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_dilation_of_mov...
What about muon decay experiments conducted by observing cosmic ray collisions with the upper atmosphere - also faulty and garbage?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Time_dilation_of_mov...
And absolute zero is only quite cold.
There is no doubt that Einstein's theory will be replaced at some time in the future. There will be discoveries, theories and strange stuff that will show that, like Newton, it was OK while it lasted. We obviously don't know what will replace it, but it will almost certainly give rise to a best seller.
All scientists are wrong. That's what makes them so believable. All theories are working hypotheses. At the moment it is provable that nothing can travel faster than light. It is obvious to anyone with the slightest of grasps of relativity.
I reckon we will go faster than light by some method or other. It might not be measured in speed, i.e. we will change location faster that light can travel between the two points. However, I doubt it will be in the next few weeks.
There is no doubt that Einstein's theory will be replaced at some time in the future. There will be discoveries, theories and strange stuff that will show that, like Newton, it was OK while it lasted. We obviously don't know what will replace it, but it will almost certainly give rise to a best seller.
All scientists are wrong. That's what makes them so believable. All theories are working hypotheses. At the moment it is provable that nothing can travel faster than light. It is obvious to anyone with the slightest of grasps of relativity.
I reckon we will go faster than light by some method or other. It might not be measured in speed, i.e. we will change location faster that light can travel between the two points. However, I doubt it will be in the next few weeks.
Halmyre said:
anonymous said:
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Rrriiiiight...anonymous said:
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...in other words, the moving, high-altitude clocks ran at different speeds to non-moving clocks here on earth. Exactly as predicted by Special and General Relativity.anonymous said:
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That'll show those lightweights Maxwell and Einstein!RobDickinson said:
anonymous said:
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You literally wrote a whole bunch of speculation with no basis, evidence or even theory why it would even be remotely true. You are at step 1 of science.Whereas general relativity is fully worked out and at 'Benefits and outcome'. Things like GPS telling you within inches where you are on the world wouldnt be possible without it.
anonymous said:
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Like this, for instance?https://saturn.jpl.nasa.gov/news/2249/saturn-bound...
Or this?
https://www.themarysue.com/nasa-probe-relativity/
Halmyre said:
Like this, for instance?
https://saturn.jpl.nasa.gov/news/2249/saturn-bound...
Or this?
https://www.themarysue.com/nasa-probe-relativity/
Thanks Halmyre, when I have a spare moment of peace I will read up on those and try to understand. https://saturn.jpl.nasa.gov/news/2249/saturn-bound...
Or this?
https://www.themarysue.com/nasa-probe-relativity/
ash73 said:
Exactly; incomplete, not wrong. This idea that all science theories are wrong and will be replaced is bunkum. Newton wasn't wrong, his maths is still used to send probes around the solar system, and will always be correct. So will Einstein.
Newton reckoned reckoned gravity was a force. Einstein disagreed. One of them has to be wrong. Einstein was wrong about all sorts of things. That no one is right all the time is a cosmological constant.
Newtonian physics was used in the Apollo missions. But that makes the measurements correct, but leaves the theories. So do gravitational waves exist?
There are observations and measurements. These will remain. There are theories to explain the measurements and observations. These will change, at least they always have.
That's not, of course, to disparage these great modifiers of thought. They were geniuses. But their theories will be modified, and changed out of all recognition. One point where Newton will be unchallenged is that he saw further by standing on the shoulders of great men.
Derek Smith said:
ash73 said:
Exactly; incomplete, not wrong. This idea that all science theories are wrong and will be replaced is bunkum. Newton wasn't wrong, his maths is still used to send probes around the solar system, and will always be correct. So will Einstein.
Newton reckoned reckoned gravity was a force. Einstein disagreed. One of them has to be wrong. Einstein was wrong about all sorts of things. That no one is right all the time is a cosmological constant.
Newtonian physics was used in the Apollo missions. But that makes the measurements correct, but leaves the theories. So do gravitational waves exist?
There are observations and measurements. These will remain. There are theories to explain the measurements and observations. These will change, at least they always have.
That's not, of course, to disparage these great modifiers of thought. They were geniuses. But their theories will be modified, and changed out of all recognition. One point where Newton will be unchallenged is that he saw further by standing on the shoulders of great men.
Besides, it's not as if that makes Newton or anyone else's contributions any less noteworthy.
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