This sums up the pointless public space race
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James_B said:
You think a depreciating asset is a prudent investment?
That’s moronic.
no not when you consider many owners loose K’s every year on other brands and some who have brought the lotus will find its hundreds or may be the odd K I now The last one I had put up for sale it went for what I had paid which is not unusual, so whose the moron now. That’s moronic.
Just stick to commenting on the OP
Edited by Toaster on Saturday 20th October 07:15
Edited by Toaster on Saturday 20th October 07:17
Tempest_5 said:
At the start of World War One the British Army Generals dismissed aircraft as useless novelties that just upset the horses. Look how that turned out!
A lot of early pilots were Gentlemen Adventurers with lots of cash who did it because they enjoyed the adventure & pioneering spirit of flying, much like the these "joyride flights". Space X et al are advancing the progress of space travel. Anyone with any knowledge of the early history of flight can see the parallels.
The problems they are encountering getting this to work will benefit other areas. They will use their tech for later projects. Their will staff move around the space industry in other jobs later, taking their knowledge with them.
Most governments are too hamstrung by competing budget requirements to progress space at the rate private ventures do.........or the Chinese do.
So, no it's NOT pointless.
I'm going to stop there. Nurse says it's not good for me.
it’s a view however space flight has been accomplished these new versions are not much of an advancement sure they are cheaper but “Advancement” probably not. A lot of early pilots were Gentlemen Adventurers with lots of cash who did it because they enjoyed the adventure & pioneering spirit of flying, much like the these "joyride flights". Space X et al are advancing the progress of space travel. Anyone with any knowledge of the early history of flight can see the parallels.
The problems they are encountering getting this to work will benefit other areas. They will use their tech for later projects. Their will staff move around the space industry in other jobs later, taking their knowledge with them.
Most governments are too hamstrung by competing budget requirements to progress space at the rate private ventures do.........or the Chinese do.
So, no it's NOT pointless.
I'm going to stop there. Nurse says it's not good for me.
These companies ultimate goal is mining....the Moon or other celestial bodies.
Space tourisem is just a waste of rescource.
James_B said:
It’s lose, not loose.
Anyway, I’m not sure why you do not get this. Your (totally justifiable) toy was bought at the expense of giving the money to the needy, you cannot do that then expect to be taken seriously when you complain about others wasting money.
I can and do suggest that vast wealth comes with huge responsibility. When you consider distribution of wealth and it’s inequalities. A car is a car it’s just transport. It’s also what you do in life your contribution to your community in both financial and social terms. The irrelevance of a space hop and the cost associated with it is just irrelivant and wasteful it does nothing for space exploration it’s a vanity project. Anyway, I’m not sure why you do not get this. Your (totally justifiable) toy was bought at the expense of giving the money to the needy, you cannot do that then expect to be taken seriously when you complain about others wasting money.
Einion Yrth said:
Listen, and understand. That toaster is out there. It can’t be bargained with. It can’t be reasoned with. It doesn’t feel pity, or remorse, or fear. And it absolutely will not stop, ever, until you are bored to death.
lol well I guess that’s why my user name, but you know it’s interesting when you see these threads the same six people uncritically agreeing with each other. Eric Mc said:
Amen
The word "pointless" in the thread can be applied to most of the OP's threads.
Bloody hell Eric my friend you said you were not going to post maybe you do not know your own mind The word "pointless" in the thread can be applied to most of the OP's threads.
It is not pointless to post but clearly you cannot stand an opposing view. Space tourisem is pointless we do not have a proper space program yet we will be giving joyrides to the Uber rich it really is “A Road to Nowhere” aka Talking heads Eric Mc said:
I wish you would stop calling me "my friend". I'm not and don't particularly want to be.
I find you the most relentlessly negative person I've come across on PH and you are, as far as I am concerned, not worth engaging with.
All, I can see you do is ruining what otherwise might be interesting and informative discussion.
I'll say no more and let you wallow in your downbeat views.
Eric I do believe we could be mates but take the dislike of an opposing on line posted opinion too far. So in the absence of a beer did you actually read the article ? It is quite interesting and does challenge the belief that all is good. Can you honestly say Virgin galactic benefits mankind? It’s a privateers toy it has no real purpose and contaminates the upper atmospher. Not much research has been done in that area but there is concern that rocket immisions and burn ups on re - entry are not doing the upper atmosphere any favours. I find you the most relentlessly negative person I've come across on PH and you are, as far as I am concerned, not worth engaging with.
All, I can see you do is ruining what otherwise might be interesting and informative discussion.
I'll say no more and let you wallow in your downbeat views.
Eric Mc said:
Virgin Galactic is perfectly fine by me. They aren't spending my money and I won't be buying a ticket to ride on it. It has no direct impact on me whatsoever except from being something of interest from an engineering and spaceflight point of view.
And what is your view on the plans for the Virgin Orbital programme for launching from Cornwall? Does this meet your criteria for "useful" or is it also "pointless".
If it is not "pointless", can you not acknowledge that there would never have been a Virgin Orbital without the work that has gone into Virgin Galactic?
Discussing with you is pretty pointless because you have a very fixed view on such matters - and you emerge every couple of months to remind everybody what those views are. Since they are the same as they were six months or a year ago - why bother?
Eric you cannot say that Virgin Obital wouldn't have come about they are two totally different projects and not reliant on one another even the launch aircraft is different along with the commercial objectives and typical of Virgin it is a separate company it doesn't even have the same branding. so is Orbital a development of Galactic it doesn't appear so. One company is launching human Astronut's for a joy ride and the other a commercially operated organisation for launching small satellites And what is your view on the plans for the Virgin Orbital programme for launching from Cornwall? Does this meet your criteria for "useful" or is it also "pointless".
If it is not "pointless", can you not acknowledge that there would never have been a Virgin Orbital without the work that has gone into Virgin Galactic?
Discussing with you is pretty pointless because you have a very fixed view on such matters - and you emerge every couple of months to remind everybody what those views are. Since they are the same as they were six months or a year ago - why bother?
Eric Mc said:
Since they are the same as they were six months or a year ago - why bother?
I should ask the same question Eric your view appears to be whatever the case throwing people up for a joy ride is totally acceptable, I bet you go on one of those big Cruise ships to Venice etc and be damed with the consequences. (but I could be wrong I hope I am) MartG said:
Oddly in view of the OP's choice of car, I had an almost identical argument recently with someone who'd seen a Lamborghini parked in town - their view being how dare they spend their money on an expensive car when there are homeless people etc. in the world.
The points that a) it was their money to spend as they wish, and b) preventing people from buying expensive cars would put a lot of people out of work, made no difference to them - nor did the fact that they themselves spent considerable sums on non-essential purchases. They just kept falling back on repeating the mantra that it was a waste of money and resources to make luxury cars and it 'shouldn't be allowed' - rather like Toaster keeps repeating crap about wasting space by sending tourists to the Moon
read the article and you will see it’s much more than just helping the poor or homeless which in itself is a worthy cause. The Lotus is just transport it could be a Ford a bmw or a Van it really doesn’t matter. The empty futile quest of a Joy ride to near space is not enhancing mankind earth has finite rescource and to waste it I such a way is shameful. The points that a) it was their money to spend as they wish, and b) preventing people from buying expensive cars would put a lot of people out of work, made no difference to them - nor did the fact that they themselves spent considerable sums on non-essential purchases. They just kept falling back on repeating the mantra that it was a waste of money and resources to make luxury cars and it 'shouldn't be allowed' - rather like Toaster keeps repeating crap about wasting space by sending tourists to the Moon
Toltec said:
The same argument applies to building a car like the Evora, it consumes more resources and effort than a simpler, less powerful, more utlitarian design. If you ignore that cycling would be the most efficient mode of personal transport then by your ideals there should be only a single design of personal car being manufactured at any time.
Keep banging the rocks together guys.
Really ? It’s as wasteful as any other vehicle out there. It’s just a means of transport Keep banging the rocks together guys.
Sitting in a rocket being popped up to near space and back down in a few minutes and the vehicle has no other purpose what a vanity project that is, whooo hooo I’m weightless for a few minuets look at Meeeeee...... and your saying that is progress give me a break.
Eric Mc said:
Not ignoring anything.
The expertise and knowledge will be shared, of that I have no doubt. I actually dioscussed this very topic with a chap from Virgin Orbital at the Farnborough air show in July.
you have no doubt but no proof. The knowledge to do a lot of this is known and as NASA also shares a lot of the R&D if Mc Eric enterprise wanted to build a UK launch system for Cube sats you will find the technology, research and engineers capable to help build such a vehicle. My personal view which is held by others is that public space tourisem is an empty vacuous quest. The expertise and knowledge will be shared, of that I have no doubt. I actually dioscussed this very topic with a chap from Virgin Orbital at the Farnborough air show in July.
p1stonhead said:
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ks. It’s a big engined sports car. It’s an objectively selfish decision just like anything else someone buys they don’t need. Don’t kid yourself it’s not a massive waste of money and resources.
Hmmm well it’s standard industry available components such as a Toyota camery engine it’s all just teeeked I. The way lotus do. But I will agree your argument stands for every form of motor vehicle. But getting back to the OP and as I have stated I have no issue with space exploration or research but things such as Virgin Galactic we can’t even sort out a supersonic airliner or a space shuttle we have gone backwards in many ways. ks. It’s a big engined sports car. It’s an objectively selfish decision just like anything else someone buys they don’t need. Don’t kid yourself it’s not a massive waste of money and resources. p1stonhead said:
Please just shut up your absolute bore. Every single point you have put across has been hypocritical or absolute nonsense.
Oh dear, you seem to be getting upset and cant form a debate around the OP so reduced to insults, if you find the subject boring or cannot stand an alternate view, be kind to yourself ignore the post. Edited by p1stonhead on Sunday 28th October 08:52
Eric Mc said:
He is a bore, isn't he.
He has added nothing original to a single point he has made for at least two years. He's obviously got a massive bee in his bonnet on this topic and just won't leave it alone. In fact, I would put it in the "obsessive" category.
Make your minds up guys either i'm Hypocritical or stating the same thing lol. Yes Eric I do hold this particular view I do understand you support public space flight which is some thing that hasn't changed so we have consistent agreement. so what s the problem posting a link to an article that sums up "the pointless public space race?" He has added nothing original to a single point he has made for at least two years. He's obviously got a massive bee in his bonnet on this topic and just won't leave it alone. In fact, I would put it in the "obsessive" category.
Polite M135 driver said:
Exploration is part of being human. I get that some people just want to stay at home and not change anything. change is scary. but where would we be without the drive to explore?
indeed it is https://spaceplace.nasa.gov/space-robots/en/ and of course using Virtual Reality we can move the experience to the person rather than the person to the experience.Eric Mc said:
For those that want it. Are you trying to deny first hand experience to those who want that?
well I think Douglas Adams had it right: Colonising A New Planet - The Hitchhiker's Guide To The Galaxy - BBC https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ogcQ7Z4bh5wI would not want to deny the Hairdressers, telephone Sanitizers etc their "right" to experiance it
Talksteer said:
The whole point about living in space is that it is an opportunity to increase the available space per person massively hence we won't have to fight over finite land and space.
Hence people will be able to get away from miserable buggers like you.
Off you go then, and remember to take the hairdressers and phone sanitizers with you Hence people will be able to get away from miserable buggers like you.
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