Covid19 science
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Monty Python said:
Couldn’t access it, what’s the conclusion?V6 Pushfit said:
Couldn’t access it, what’s the conclusion?
The important bit:"Scientists at the National Institutes of Health’s Rocky Mountain Laboratory in Montana last month inoculated six rhesus macaque monkeys with single doses of the Oxford vaccine. The animals were then exposed to heavy quantities of the virus that is causing the pandemic — exposure that had consistently sickened other monkeys in the lab. But more than 28 days later all six were healthy, said Vincent Munster, the researcher who conducted the test."
Dunno if anyone has come across the study - we are in this for the long haul...
https://science.sciencemag.org/content/sci/early/2...
https://science.sciencemag.org/content/sci/early/2...
randytusk said:
Dunno if anyone has come across the study - we are in this for the long haul...
https://science.sciencemag.org/content/sci/early/2...
Only if nobody comes up with a vaccine (which is unlikely).https://science.sciencemag.org/content/sci/early/2...
Beati Dogu said:
Na, things will start opening up in May.
In our dreams maybe. Even if there’s 10 asymptomatic left out there by then we’ll be no different to February, unless Govt decide there needs to be a second wave to get more through the system.I’ve been banging on about an App for two months now, I had emailed the BBC and BJ’s office - an App based on the C19 one (currently only 2.6m users) with location/DOB/NHS number all logged by each user. It would identify community spread, hot spots, likely hospital intake numbers a week before they need admission, would automatically log as recovered if no hospitalisation in say 5 weeks etc. And they’re now putting it into action - nothing to do with me of course but it shows someone’s actually got some handle on what needs to be done albeit very late from the start line.
Also if say 500 log on the App in a day with symptoms in Kent they could alert Nightingale to a likely 100 of those in a weeks time and leave Kent hospitals to get back to routine ops or somesuch - the NHS could start a strategy of forewarning and allocating resource locations to suit demand.
Anti Big Brotherites heads explode.
Beati Dogu said:
Na, things will start opening up in May.
Given this is the science corner I’d appreciate it if you could help how you dismissed the information contained I the modelling report. It doesn’t suggest that a lifting of the lockdown won’t be eased in - just that there will be waves of infection and intermittent lockdowns going forward....
Or is it a case of TLDR......
Look at how Hokkaido responded to see how things can resurge if release of lockdown is too swift...
randytusk said:
Given this is the science corner I’d appreciate it if you could help how you dismissed the information contained I the modelling report.
It doesn’t suggest that a lifting of the lockdown won’t be eased in - just that there will be waves of infection and intermittent lockdowns going forward....
Or is it a case of TLDR......
Look at how Hokkaido responded to see how things can resurge if release of lockdown is too swift...
Statistics show lockdown removal would be ill advised unless either an antivirus is found or Govt need to keep the NHS at a full working level (which it isn’t at the moment) to get more people through the system dead or alive.It doesn’t suggest that a lifting of the lockdown won’t be eased in - just that there will be waves of infection and intermittent lockdowns going forward....
Or is it a case of TLDR......
Look at how Hokkaido responded to see how things can resurge if release of lockdown is too swift...
Or, of course, they want the economy up and running at whatever cost.
Disappointing that the Scotland have followed the crowd of wanting to be seen to do 'something', even if largely unjustified scientifically: the recommendation to use ad-hoc face covering in shops etc as 'there could be some benefit'.
Not much if you look at the research:
Rengasamy S, Eimer B, Shaffer RE. Simple respiratory protection--evaluation of the filtration performance of cloth masks and common fabric materials against 20-1000 nm size particles. The Annals of Occupational Hygiene. 2010 Oct;54(7):789-798. https://academic.oup.com/annweh/article/54/7/789/2...
60 - 90% penetration suggests you'd probably do as well just holding your breath if you are near someone breathing out!
Not much if you look at the research:
Rengasamy S, Eimer B, Shaffer RE. Simple respiratory protection--evaluation of the filtration performance of cloth masks and common fabric materials against 20-1000 nm size particles. The Annals of Occupational Hygiene. 2010 Oct;54(7):789-798. https://academic.oup.com/annweh/article/54/7/789/2...
60 - 90% penetration suggests you'd probably do as well just holding your breath if you are near someone breathing out!
llewop said:
Disappointing that the Scotland have followed the crowd of wanting to be seen to do 'something', even if largely unjustified scientifically: the recommendation to use ad-hoc face covering in shops etc as 'there could be some benefit'.
Not much if you look at the research:
Rengasamy S, Eimer B, Shaffer RE. Simple respiratory protection--evaluation of the filtration performance of cloth masks and common fabric materials against 20-1000 nm size particles. The Annals of Occupational Hygiene. 2010 Oct;54(7):789-798. https://academic.oup.com/annweh/article/54/7/789/2...
60 - 90% penetration suggests you'd probably do as well just holding your breath if you are near someone breathing out!
The NHS will likely thank them as face masks run out through panic buying.Not much if you look at the research:
Rengasamy S, Eimer B, Shaffer RE. Simple respiratory protection--evaluation of the filtration performance of cloth masks and common fabric materials against 20-1000 nm size particles. The Annals of Occupational Hygiene. 2010 Oct;54(7):789-798. https://academic.oup.com/annweh/article/54/7/789/2...
60 - 90% penetration suggests you'd probably do as well just holding your breath if you are near someone breathing out!
TX.
Some more positive news:
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-04-29...
"NIAID’s trial enrolled more than 1,000 patients internationally and compared remdesivir treatment alongside supportive care with a placebo. Patients who got the drug recovered in an average of 11 days, while those who get a placebo recovered in 15 days"
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-04-29...
"NIAID’s trial enrolled more than 1,000 patients internationally and compared remdesivir treatment alongside supportive care with a placebo. Patients who got the drug recovered in an average of 11 days, while those who get a placebo recovered in 15 days"
Monty Python said:
Some more positive news:
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-04-29...
"NIAID’s trial enrolled more than 1,000 patients internationally and compared remdesivir treatment alongside supportive care with a placebo. Patients who got the drug recovered in an average of 11 days, while those who get a placebo recovered in 15 days"
An interesting article and good news. https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-04-29...
"NIAID’s trial enrolled more than 1,000 patients internationally and compared remdesivir treatment alongside supportive care with a placebo. Patients who got the drug recovered in an average of 11 days, while those who get a placebo recovered in 15 days"
We seem to be bound by Remesevir being ‘not approved’ and also a vital point and question:
The trials (and other countries approach) seems to be early intervention. Ours is ‘wait at home until you can’t breathe’. From what I’ve read early intervention leads to fewer deaths - so are we just leaving it too late before hospitalisation ?
Seems the correlation with vitamin D is getting stronger:
https://www.aol.co.uk/news/2020/05/12/coronavirus-...
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/05/2005...
https://www.technologynetworks.com/tn/news/researc...
https://www.aol.co.uk/news/2020/05/12/coronavirus-...
https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2020/05/2005...
https://www.technologynetworks.com/tn/news/researc...
The Spruce Goose said:
i'm sure they used to give people vitamin jabs, or is that wrong?
No - they still do for some things (e.g. B12).Some more on people being "reinfected" - appears the "positive" test is dead virus:
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2020-05-19...
and some more on the link with Vitamin D:
https://www.spectator.co.uk/article/the-growing-ev...
So, the "science" turned out to be BS computer modeling yet again. This time from Professor Pantsdown. Not a surprise given his record.
Now the politicians and the media have painted themselves into a corner and they don't know how to get out without losing face. They'll keep up this charade even at the expense of further economic disaster.
Now the politicians and the media have painted themselves into a corner and they don't know how to get out without losing face. They'll keep up this charade even at the expense of further economic disaster.
Edited by Beati Dogu on Sunday 24th May 14:09
Beati Dogu said:
So, the "science" turned out to be BS computer modeling yet again. This time from Professor Pantsdown. Not a surprise given his record.
Now the politicians and the media have painted themselves into a corner and they don't know how to get out without losing face. They'll keep up this charade even at the expense of further economic disaster.
Given that this is the science forum, could you actually explain or link to how you concluded this was due to "BS computer modelling" and go easy on the personal attacks - that's reserved for NP&E.........Now the politicians and the media have painted themselves into a corner and they don't know how to get out without losing face. They'll keep up this charade even at the expense of further economic disaster.
Edited by Beati Dogu on Sunday 24th May 14:09
I recall that you posted that we would back open in May - I don't think we can rely on your track record either...
The reopening will also be heavily restricted with SD and reduced numbers, together with strict hygiene requirement ins place. Are you suggesting that no action at all is necessary?
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