UFO Thread

[gotoPzero]

Not watched it yet but will be watching tonight.

[gotoPzero]

Well the guy comes over as a nutter TBH... bit shocked SR had him on and seemed to go along with him.
Constantly saying he is above the law regarding possessing classified material. Unless he can show us proof I am thinking he is a fantasist.
Its a good story though, and I am sure money goes walkies into other projects but to say there is an entire black government that not even the president or JCS knows of is pushing it a bit for me.

[dukeboy749r]

The issue I have (and perhaps others will too) is that this is largely unprovable and unverifiable.

How does 'someone' in fact, 'anyone', become a Subject Matter Expert on UFOs, and 'Aliens' let alone free energy? You simply claim it and it is so?

Now, if the gentleman in question has actually lived with, studied, documented and is willing to share 'proof' of his expertise, well that's a wholly different matter.

Until then, the folder marked 'loon' has another candidate.

[TGCOTF-dewey]

dukeboy749r said:

The issue I have (and perhaps others will too) is that this is largely unprovable and unverifiable.

How does 'someone' in fact, 'anyone', become a Subject Matter Expert on UFOs, and 'Aliens' let alone free energy? You simply claim it and it is so?

Now, if the gentleman in question has actually lived with, studied, documented and is willing to share 'proof' of his expertise, well that's a wholly different matter.

Until then, the folder marked 'loon' has another candidate.

Not even a real Doctor... Ex M.D.

In fact zero relevant education to be an expert in ufo technology...unless UFOs are grown.

[gotoPzero]

Fully agree seems to me that its all about making $$$ from his books and films.

Frankly I find it hard to believe that the government "reads in" these type of nutters.

If he had proof then show us, not use smoke and mirrors and saying its in the "next" book... and the next... and the next

[ColinGreaves]

I think one of the main problems with UFOs is the statistical side of matters, which ghosts and sasquatch have as well, that being the sheer number of devices that capture high quality images and videos nowadays. The number of sightings seems to be, at best, more or less the same, or even dropped off. For instance, it would be intersting to know what this famous photo would look like with a modern day phone, and same for a lot of old grainy UFO sightings from the past :-



Quality of optics, sensors and AI would guard against fraud, malfunctions and just honest mistakes or lack of knowledge.

The famous Lubbock lights for instance, what would they look like now?

https://www.history.com/news/lubbock-lights-ufo-si...

Quite an interesting read, comments are very much of their time. I don't believe in UFO's but now being old I have a fondness of the stories and the people involved. It was a simpler time and full of awe what could be. There was still room for mysteries on the large scale.

A modern phone might have shot down the mystery in one fell swoop. Now we still wonder what that migratory v shaped flock, er, spacefleet, could be ...

[Reginald Molehusband]

For those interested in the ubiquitous silent black triangles, you will find Colin Saunders' Fosse Way experience fascinating. For sceptics, at least please give him ten minutes of your time.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-cxaZrzg2g

Edited by Reginald Molehusband on Thursday 23 March 12:35

[croyde]

That pic above of Bigfoot, I think? First time I've looked at it closely.

If no one had said anything and had just showed it to me for the first time.

Bloke in heavy winter clothing, hood up and scarf over mouth and nose.

Nothing to see here.

[skwdenyer]

croyde said:

That pic above of Bigfoot, I think? First time I've looked at it closely.

If no one had said anything and had just showed it to me for the first time.

Bloke in heavy winter clothing, hood up and scarf over mouth and nose.

Nothing to see here.

It isn't a photo; it is a still from a film.

It isn't as straightforward as some would like to debunk the Patterson-Gimlin film.

for some analysis.

[rovermorris999]

I thought someone had coughed to it being a fake some years ago?

[Galileo]

There is no such thing as an UFO, by simple definition.

If you see something unidentified flying around, you just identified it as an Object.

It then becomes a Flying Object.

Until it lands,

Then its just an O.

[Granadier]

ColinGreaves said:

I think one of the main problems with UFOs is the statistical side of matters, which ghosts and sasquatch have as well, that being the sheer number of devices that capture high quality images and videos nowadays. The number of sightings seems to be, at best, more or less the same, or even dropped off. For instance, it would be intersting to know what this famous photo would look like with a modern day phone, and same for a lot of old grainy UFO sightings from the past :-



Quality of optics, sensors and AI would guard against fraud, malfunctions and just honest mistakes or lack of knowledge.

The famous Lubbock lights for instance, what would they look like now?

https://www.history.com/news/lubbock-lights-ufo-si...

Quite an interesting read, comments are very much of their time. I don't believe in UFO's but now being old I have a fondness of the stories and the people involved. It was a simpler time and full of awe what could be. There was still room for mysteries on the large scale.

A modern phone might have shot down the mystery in one fell swoop. Now we still wonder what that migratory v shaped flock, er, spacefleet, could be ...

I agree, this is why I find it difficult to believe in UFOs and things like the Loch Ness Monster. There are just so many cameras and other types of sensors everywhere in the modern world, so surely conclusive evidence would have been found if these objects/creatures were real. Instead, the 'evidence' seems to have tailed off in recent decades as technology improved. I have a bit more sympathy with things like the yeti, which are in more remote parts of the world, but even so, it beggars belief really.

Some would say a bit like how miracles were happening all over the place in biblical times but have mostly dried up nowadays

[skwdenyer]

rovermorris999 said:

I thought someone had coughed to it being a fake some years ago?

Many people “admit” to lots of things. The person you’re talking about can’t explain how their “suit” was so much better than any other similar get-ups of that or much more recent times. Or how they changed the leg-foot mechanics to match those observed.

[QJumper]

ColinGreaves said:

I think one of the main problems with UFOs is the statistical side of matters, which ghosts and sasquatch have as well, that being the sheer number of devices that capture high quality images and videos nowadays. The number of sightings seems to be, at best, more or less the same, or even dropped off. For instance, it would be intersting to know what this famous photo would look like with a modern day phone, and same for a lot of old grainy UFO sightings from the past :-



Quality of optics, sensors and AI would guard against fraud, malfunctions and just honest mistakes or lack of knowledge.

A couple of points.

Even the US military have released photos and descriptions of objects that they admit they can't explain, and appear to travel in ways beyond any current capablity. That doesn't automatically mean aliens, but it does mean that something is being detected, not just on camera, but by modern, sophisticated monitoring equipment.

Also, the above still was taken from a video. Current technology has since been used to analyse the film, and there are details of muscle definition, flexing, as well as movement in certain joints that would have been pretty much impossible to fake in a monkey suit at that time. Even today it would be prohibitively expensive. There is flexing in the foot, for example, that occurs in apes, but not humans, that is unlikely a hoaxer in the 1960's would have been aware of or able to replicate in a suit.

There's another issue with pictures too. I once saw a "UFO", in fact there was a large group of people watching as a bunch of coloured lights slowly moved across the sky. They weren't flashing, like a plane, and at one point they stopped moving entirely, and then they moved off in different directions, at 90 degrees to each other, before disappearing, reappearing, and then coming back together. Who knows what it was, but neither myself nor anyone else thought to get out a phone or camera, as everyone was too fascinated watching it.

This is even more true with bigfoot sightings. I've listened to a number of interviews (there are literally thousands) with people who've claimed to see some kind of large, unidentified creature in the huge wilderness areas of the US. Many of these are either hunters, residents, hikers, law enforcement officers, who come across them by accident, rather than the loons who go looking for them to make youtube videos. Unlike UFO sightings, these encounters are long enough and close enough, by people experienced enough to know the difference, to rule out misidentification of bears, or a man in a suit, and so the descriptions are often very detailed and largely similar. One thing that is common to most is that they seemed genuinely frightened by what they encountered, and had no desire to see one ever again. In all cases I doubt any of them would have even thought to try and take picture under the circumstances they describe. Most also never told anyone for years, for fear of ridicule, and even today only agreed to be interviewed anonymously, so weren't seeking any kind of fame or recognition.

Historically I've dismissed things like Nessie and Bigfoot as either hoaxes, misidentification, wishful thinking, or the delusions of six fingered loons. Sure, some sightings fall into those categories, which muddies the waters. However, with regards to Bigfoot, I've listened to enough interviews, from seemingly credible people, with sufficient detail, to suggest that there's a good chance there's something there that has yet to be properly identified. As a consequence, it's more likely for photos and video to be hoaxes, set up for the camera, with eye witness testimony seeming more credible, despite the lack of phtographic evidence. Who knows what the truth is, but the sheer number of witnesses, with largely consistent accounts, would probably get a positive verdict in a court of law.

I like watching some of the mystery documentaries, mostly for entertainment, as I don't take most of them seriously, but am finding it harder to dsimiss entirely the existence of a bigfoot type creature.

[rovermorris999]

I'm more open to there being something in Bigfoot as the forests of the US and Canada are so huge and there are plenty of credible accounts. But as always the lack of decent pics is surprising.
The youtube channel The Facts By Howtohunt . com is worth a watch. Some of the stuff the guy reads out is a bit 'woo' but it's hard to dismiss everyone as a loon or fruitcake.
As for UFOs in the sense of 'it's aliens', I remain to be convinced.

[LasseV]

rovermorris999 said:

I'm more open to there being something in Bigfoot as the forests of the US and Canada are so huge and there are plenty of credible accounts. But as always the lack of decent pics is surprising.
The youtube channel The Facts By Howtohunt . com is worth a watch. Some of the stuff the guy reads out is a bit 'woo' but it's hard to dismiss everyone as a loon or fruitcake.
As for UFOs in the sense of 'it's aliens', I remain to be convinced.

Taking picture or video when you are in wilderness or object is far away is very challenging. You need to have a proper piece of kit in with you.

[Scabutz]

rovermorris999 said:

I'm more open to there being something in Bigfoot as the forests of the US and Canada are so huge and there are plenty of credible accounts. But as always the lack of decent pics is surprising.
The youtube channel The Facts By Howtohunt . com is worth a watch. Some of the stuff the guy reads out is a bit 'woo' but it's hard to dismiss everyone as a loon or fruitcake.
As for UFOs in the sense of 'it's aliens', I remain to be convinced.

I remember something that someone had overlaid Big foot sightings with natural bear populations and the sightings were higher in areas where bear populations were higher.

Need to find that.

[PastelNata]

If Aliens - and I absolutely believe we are far from the only sentient beings in the Universe - had or were visiting Earth we would all know about it. It is a human construct to imagine that they would study us secretively and they most certainly would not do secret deals with just a few humans in positions of authority.

We are only too happy to barge right into unknown regions and shout out our presence and study - and destroy.

Aliens would be no different, it's wishful thinking to imagine they would try to conceal themselves. If one species could visit us benignly, then another that would see us as trophies for above the mantelpiece would too.

The Bigfoot thing...sure, there 'could' be a Neanderthal surviving group living in the forests but really, with so much exploration traffic combing them, I'd be surprised if we still find any large primates we haven't documented now that aren't very similar to those we already know about and Bigfoot would be a completely new discovery. People have actually devoted they lives to this with modern camera traps etc. Nada.

[rovermorris999]

Some of the bigfoot stuff might be them damn hillbillies!

[LuckyThirteen]

Many here need to read this