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Dastardly Dick said:
Ive seen and videoed an orb type light some years ago during the daytime.
After looking at the video frame by frame its possible to make out what looks like a metallic disk shaped object with a dark underside, its not very distinct but it does give the impression of such an object.
Theres definitely more going on in the world of ufo's than the authorities want us mortals to know of, including of course their own secret black projects.
One of the very daftest explanations I often hear trotted out by observers of these phenomena is the "military testing a secret aircraft" one.
By far and away the silliest explanation as theres no way the military test anything in areas where it cant be contained let alone seen by youtubers and foreign intelligence.
History is littered with examples of testing that went all pete tong, itd not be very secret for very long if one came down in the high street or a school for example, so, no, thats out.
The alternatives are more crazy though. After looking at the video frame by frame its possible to make out what looks like a metallic disk shaped object with a dark underside, its not very distinct but it does give the impression of such an object.
Theres definitely more going on in the world of ufo's than the authorities want us mortals to know of, including of course their own secret black projects.
One of the very daftest explanations I often hear trotted out by observers of these phenomena is the "military testing a secret aircraft" one.
By far and away the silliest explanation as theres no way the military test anything in areas where it cant be contained let alone seen by youtubers and foreign intelligence.
History is littered with examples of testing that went all pete tong, itd not be very secret for very long if one came down in the high street or a school for example, so, no, thats out.
Option 1 - An advanced species with faster than light (FTL) capability has found Earth, and has made contact with the authorities. They’ve agreed to keep their existence under wraps, but can’t resist tear-arsing around the planet and winding up military aircraft. Why is this species hiding itself? Why do people on YouTube know of its existence? How have the authorities managed to keep it quiet? Why do US Presidents die - because this advanced species essentially has the means of time travel at its disposal.
Option 2 - We’re just off a galactic bypass and tired/lost aliens occasionally come to our planet for a wee break. Why do they always encounter the military? If I was stopping at a planet for a wee, I’d choose somewhere that looks interesting, like Central Park. Why have none of them got out to say hello? Why are their no alien travelling folk who leave tonnes of radioactive alien rubbish around?
Option 3 - Aliens are coming to harvest the oceans and we’re negotiating with them. It has all of the downsides of Option 1, as well as the question of why any space faring species would want our oceans? Why get water from the bottom of a gravity well, when you can just snag an asteroid or 10? I know it is the premise of pretty much every Hollywood alien film, but it is bloody stupid.
Option 4 - Humans are testing next gen military technology. More plausible than aliens. If you showed an F-117 or a B2 to a Second World War pilot, they’d report it is as UFO. When were the technologies for the F-35 being tested? About the 1980s. So it is safe to assume that the technologies for whatever will be in mass production in 2040 are being tested now.
Option 5 - Humans are really good at assuming whatever they see is a UFO, even when it isn’t.
Options 4 and 5 are the most plausible, by a considerable margin.
rxe said:
Option 4 - Humans are testing next gen military technology. More plausible than aliens. If you showed an F-117 or a B2 to a Second World War pilot, they’d report it is as UFO. When were the technologies for the F-35 being tested? About the 1980s. So it is safe to assume that the technologies for whatever will be in mass production in 2040 are being tested now.
I've mentioned it before, when the U2 and Sr-71 were being developed the reports of UFOs in the areas they were being tested went up. Because both of those were unlike anything else had seen before. The flight ceiling on the U2 was many thousands of feet higher than commercial aircraft at the time.Also I said previously that China recently launched a hypersonic missile that the Pentagon have admitted, they don't know how it works. Russia shot a satellite out of space. They are visibly making technological advances before others, so it's not a stretch to imagine they may have developed some some tasty secret s
t.paulguitar said:
tones61 said:
Hi mr dastardly ,
Can you poss post up said vid please
:-)
Yep, would be fascinating to see it.Can you poss post up said vid please
:-)
Over to you, senor Dastardly.
rxe said:
The alternatives are more crazy though.
Option 1 - An advanced species with faster than light (FTL) capability has found Earth, and has made contact with the authorities. They’ve agreed to keep their existence under wraps, but can’t resist tear-arsing around the planet and winding up military aircraft. Why is this species hiding itself? Why do people on YouTube know of its existence? How have the authorities managed to keep it quiet? Why do US Presidents die - because this advanced species essentially has the means of time travel at its disposal.
Option 2 - We’re just off a galactic bypass and tired/lost aliens occasionally come to our planet for a wee break. Why do they always encounter the military? If I was stopping at a planet for a wee, I’d choose somewhere that looks interesting, like Central Park. Why have none of them got out to say hello? Why are their no alien travelling folk who leave tonnes of radioactive alien rubbish around?
Option 3 - Aliens are coming to harvest the oceans and we’re negotiating with them. It has all of the downsides of Option 1, as well as the question of why any space faring species would want our oceans? Why get water from the bottom of a gravity well, when you can just snag an asteroid or 10? I know it is the premise of pretty much every Hollywood alien film, but it is bloody stupid.
Option 4 - Humans are testing next gen military technology. More plausible than aliens. If you showed an F-117 or a B2 to a Second World War pilot, they’d report it is as UFO. When were the technologies for the F-35 being tested? About the 1980s. So it is safe to assume that the technologies for whatever will be in mass production in 2040 are being tested now.
Option 5 - Humans are really good at assuming whatever they see is a UFO, even when it isn’t.
Options 4 and 5 are the most plausible, by a considerable margin.
In regard to 4 and 5.Option 1 - An advanced species with faster than light (FTL) capability has found Earth, and has made contact with the authorities. They’ve agreed to keep their existence under wraps, but can’t resist tear-arsing around the planet and winding up military aircraft. Why is this species hiding itself? Why do people on YouTube know of its existence? How have the authorities managed to keep it quiet? Why do US Presidents die - because this advanced species essentially has the means of time travel at its disposal.
Option 2 - We’re just off a galactic bypass and tired/lost aliens occasionally come to our planet for a wee break. Why do they always encounter the military? If I was stopping at a planet for a wee, I’d choose somewhere that looks interesting, like Central Park. Why have none of them got out to say hello? Why are their no alien travelling folk who leave tonnes of radioactive alien rubbish around?
Option 3 - Aliens are coming to harvest the oceans and we’re negotiating with them. It has all of the downsides of Option 1, as well as the question of why any space faring species would want our oceans? Why get water from the bottom of a gravity well, when you can just snag an asteroid or 10? I know it is the premise of pretty much every Hollywood alien film, but it is bloody stupid.
Option 4 - Humans are testing next gen military technology. More plausible than aliens. If you showed an F-117 or a B2 to a Second World War pilot, they’d report it is as UFO. When were the technologies for the F-35 being tested? About the 1980s. So it is safe to assume that the technologies for whatever will be in mass production in 2040 are being tested now.
Option 5 - Humans are really good at assuming whatever they see is a UFO, even when it isn’t.
Options 4 and 5 are the most plausible, by a considerable margin.
Unquestionably some next gen tech is being tested, and is being seen, however its not being seen over built up areas to my mind, as thered be no control over the environment itd be in.
Military dont like their new babies being filmed let alone talked about.
True enough, ive seen people say a 747 was a ufo when it clearly wasnt, yet try explaining to them.....maddening.
1 2+3 I have no idea!
Its a tantalising subject however because clearly once you have the explained stuff taken care of youre then left with the really interesting stuff.
This is a black project.
And this isnt.
https://imgur.com/DXFQgVG
Don1 said:
Is that because of resolution differences? 
Not necessarily! The craft in the pictures have control surfaces plainly visible and is a lifting body design so for me that suggests conventional control and propulsion methods nothing really exotic or interesting to me.
The other is intriguing, shape, movement, speed. Video quality is dire but still intriguing.
Dastardly Dick said:
Not necessarily!
The craft in the pictures have control surfaces plainly visible and is a lifting body design so for me that suggests conventional control and propulsion methods nothing really exotic or interesting to me.
The other is intriguing, shape, movement, speed. Video quality is dire but still intriguing.
The blurry one is almost certainly someone with a r/c toy. The craft in the pictures have control surfaces plainly visible and is a lifting body design so for me that suggests conventional control and propulsion methods nothing really exotic or interesting to me.
The other is intriguing, shape, movement, speed. Video quality is dire but still intriguing.
Given that the principles of fluid mechanics are universal, why would alien atmospheric craft look radically different to the sort of things that we build? They may be optimised for thicker or thinner atmospheres, but they will have something like wings, and they are likely to have some sort of control surface.
Saucers are a bloody stupid shape for atmospheric flying things. From a simple design point of view, you want sensors at one end, and propulsion at the other. You probably want a means of getting cargo + life forms in and out. If you’re coming in from orbit, you probably want a shape that can handle re-entry.
Of course, we may be dealing with advanced aliens that do propulsive re-entry. They may not need lifting surfaces. But then why do all the craft in the blurry videos lurch around the near view in a manner that suggests the driver has discovered Earth alcohol?
rxe said:
The blurry one is almost certainly someone with a r/c toy.
Given that the principles of fluid mechanics are universal, why would alien atmospheric craft look radically different to the sort of things that we build? They may be optimised for thicker or thinner atmospheres, but they will have something like wings, and they are likely to have some sort of control surface.
Saucers are a bloody stupid shape for atmospheric flying things. From a simple design point of view, you want sensors at one end, and propulsion at the other. You probably want a means of getting cargo + life forms in and out. If you’re coming in from orbit, you probably want a shape that can handle re-entry.
Of course, we may be dealing with advanced aliens that do propulsive re-entry. They may not need lifting surfaces. But then why do all the craft in the blurry videos lurch around the near view in a manner that suggests the driver has discovered Earth alcohol?
All good questions to which I cant answer except to say maybe the truth is out there? Given that the principles of fluid mechanics are universal, why would alien atmospheric craft look radically different to the sort of things that we build? They may be optimised for thicker or thinner atmospheres, but they will have something like wings, and they are likely to have some sort of control surface.
Saucers are a bloody stupid shape for atmospheric flying things. From a simple design point of view, you want sensors at one end, and propulsion at the other. You probably want a means of getting cargo + life forms in and out. If you’re coming in from orbit, you probably want a shape that can handle re-entry.
Of course, we may be dealing with advanced aliens that do propulsive re-entry. They may not need lifting surfaces. But then why do all the craft in the blurry videos lurch around the near view in a manner that suggests the driver has discovered Earth alcohol?
rxe said:
Given that the principles of fluid mechanics are universal, why would alien atmospheric craft look radically different to the sort of things that we build? They may be optimised for thicker or thinner atmospheres, but they will have something like wings, and they are likely to have some sort of control surface.
I think the footage is fake but the only thing I would say is it’s a bit like Admiral Nelson looking at a picture of a modern battleship and saying ‘well that can’t be real, it won’t be able to go anywhere without any sails’Ok managed to find a couple of stills from the video we took no luck on the video so far.
First seen glinting/flashing in a cloud, the clouds on the picture were travelling left to right, the object going acoss them towards the north roughly.
Not very distinct shape but appears to be somewhat disc/oval?
Camera was an old style tape jobbie so not the best as regards resolution unfortunately, was all I had at the time.
This ones probably a balloon of some sort, spotted it initially as a light in the edge of the cloud but it moved against the clouds in a southerly direction, taken a year or so later than previous one.
Just took several shots of the sky as it couldnt be seen well with the naked eye plus the viewfinder on a lumix is diabolically poor so that was the best picture of it.
Looks like a fuzzy envelope around it..
Zoom it in.
First seen glinting/flashing in a cloud, the clouds on the picture were travelling left to right, the object going acoss them towards the north roughly.
Not very distinct shape but appears to be somewhat disc/oval?
Camera was an old style tape jobbie so not the best as regards resolution unfortunately, was all I had at the time.
This ones probably a balloon of some sort, spotted it initially as a light in the edge of the cloud but it moved against the clouds in a southerly direction, taken a year or so later than previous one.
Just took several shots of the sky as it couldnt be seen well with the naked eye plus the viewfinder on a lumix is diabolically poor so that was the best picture of it.
Looks like a fuzzy envelope around it..
Zoom it in.
The Wookie said:
I think the footage is fake but the only thing I would say is it’s a bit like Admiral Nelson looking at a picture of a modern battleship and saying ‘well that can’t be real, it won’t be able to go anywhere without any sails’
It’s actually a really good example. Nelson would look at a modern battleship and wonder how it was propelled. But he’d be able to discern the stem from the stern, he’d work out where the bridge was (and wonder why it had been moved forward), if it was out of the water, he’d recognise the rudder and question what on earth the propellers did. If you stuck him on the bridge, then once he’d got over the range of the guns, his tactics would be OK for the First World War - broadsides are still good, approaching the enemy straight on is bad. If you stick HMS Victory up against a modern destroyer, they have fundamentally the same task - displace enough water to float, and be streamlined enough to move through water. They’re designed with the same physics in mind.
If you think about UFOs, lets assume they have some magic form of propulsion that we cannot comprehend. They still need to be stable in flight, they still need to move through the air at high speed, they still need to be useful in terms of carrying cargo and crew. Say you’d invented a force field that meant you didn’t have to worry about air flow and stability - you could then design the craft to have the most useful shape possible - that would be a box shaped thing with copious volume to store stuff.
Getting way in the realms of science fiction now I think. If the craft is "alien" and its advanced enough to find its way here (needing FTL travel, or stable worm hole, or other unknown phenomenon), then maybe they have developed some sort of anti gravity or gravity control device. Then the understanding of flight per our models or physics makes no sense anymore.
With the Nelson analogy, sure he could work out the rough idea of the ship, but his ships used wind, now you're telling him there is an engine that uses diesel or nuclear power to propel the ship, and radar, computers, automatic weapons, tracking torpedoes etc. That's 200 years of human progress that would utterly confuse his understanding.
Imagine where we will be in a 1000 years and imagine if an alien civilisation has been around 100,000 years longer than us.
All conjecture and science fiction, and I'm not saying this is what I believe we have been seeing, but IF it WAS aliens, then I don't think our current understanding of physics would be able to explain it.
With the Nelson analogy, sure he could work out the rough idea of the ship, but his ships used wind, now you're telling him there is an engine that uses diesel or nuclear power to propel the ship, and radar, computers, automatic weapons, tracking torpedoes etc. That's 200 years of human progress that would utterly confuse his understanding.
Imagine where we will be in a 1000 years and imagine if an alien civilisation has been around 100,000 years longer than us.
All conjecture and science fiction, and I'm not saying this is what I believe we have been seeing, but IF it WAS aliens, then I don't think our current understanding of physics would be able to explain it.
My son and I really enjoy the YouTube channel the corridor crew... They're SFX artists.
Recently they've ventured into analysing UFO footage. They've covered some of the films discussed before on here such as the 'tictac' film.
Usually they're able to offer a more credible explanation than aliens.
I thought this was a good one...
https://youtu.be/RrgQNwXIG_0
Recently they've ventured into analysing UFO footage. They've covered some of the films discussed before on here such as the 'tictac' film.
Usually they're able to offer a more credible explanation than aliens.
I thought this was a good one...
https://youtu.be/RrgQNwXIG_0
take-good-care-of-the-forest-dewey said:
My son and I really enjoy the YouTube channel the corridor crew... They're SFX artists.
Recently they've ventured into analysing UFO footage. They've covered some of the films discussed before on here such as the 'tictac' film.
Usually they're able to offer a more credible explanation than aliens.
I thought this was a good one...
https://youtu.be/RrgQNwXIG_0
Did they think the tictac was faked?Recently they've ventured into analysing UFO footage. They've covered some of the films discussed before on here such as the 'tictac' film.
Usually they're able to offer a more credible explanation than aliens.
I thought this was a good one...
https://youtu.be/RrgQNwXIG_0
Yes aircraft radar and ship radar picked up objects, these objects where not parallax error looking at a weather ballon.
The aircraft engaged in manoeuvres with the object, the object interacted with them evaded their manoeuvre and actively jammed the radar.
I like that the amateur internet detectives think they know better than fighter pilots expressly trained to engage and identify aircraft with multi million dollar equipment backed up with various other data from multiple ships also operating multi million dollar equipment operated by trained people.
The aircraft engaged in manoeuvres with the object, the object interacted with them evaded their manoeuvre and actively jammed the radar.
I like that the amateur internet detectives think they know better than fighter pilots expressly trained to engage and identify aircraft with multi million dollar equipment backed up with various other data from multiple ships also operating multi million dollar equipment operated by trained people.
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