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TGCOTF-dewey said:
I agree. The fact it got classified is the most interesting part for me.
If it's terrestrial and using new propulsion systems, that's just as exciting.
Don't forget this was 32 years ago.If it's terrestrial and using new propulsion systems, that's just as exciting.
After 32 years I would have thought what was at the time new/experimental technology would by now be in mainstream use, if not actually obsolete.
zek said:
zek said:
There are compelling pictures, but not available to the public:
The Calvine incident is a good example:
The 6 pictures were due to be declassified this year, but the MOD have now said the records will not be released until 2072 :
https://www.thecourier.co.uk/fp/news/local/perth-k...
https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/news/6144270/ufo-...
One of the original original Calvine incident photographs has been discovered! :The Calvine incident is a good example:
The 6 pictures were due to be declassified this year, but the MOD have now said the records will not be released until 2072 :
https://www.thecourier.co.uk/fp/news/local/perth-k...
https://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/news/6144270/ufo-...
Edited by zek on Thursday 15th July 14:45
https://www.uapmedia.uk/articles/calvinerevealed
Why would the MOD keep it under lock and key until 2072 unless they want to keep things covered up.
I have been following the UFO / UAP thingy for many years and all the recent stuff too. I daren't post on reddit because they are too far down the rabbit hole.
Anyway the Calvine Photo is really interesting and the date is 4th of August 1990, oh look the first Gulf War started on 2nd of August 1990, remember the F-117 made it's debut, well what else had just been built in Plant 42 in 1989 and nobody had ever seen it, yes the very very top secret B-2 bomber.
Debut test flight was 17th of July 1989 and then it was stored away for another 8 years before entering service, yeah right!
The B2 is a long range strategic stealth bomber as we all know, we also know the SR-71 operated out of Britain during the cold war, we also know that the USAF had access to a secret runway and RAF base in Scotland just off the sea.
Brilliant, why don't we go ahead and test our new 2 billion dollar B-2 stealth bomber across the atlantic and you know Britain can test it out to see if they can detect it on radar, maybe we'll have to fly really low, a bit like they did to us with their Vulcan.
Great, brilliant idea, better send up some Harriers too, to have a play with it, make sure nobodys going to try and shoot it down because you know it's hush hush.
Then by chance in the Scottish highlands a couple of spotty kitchen porter teenagers just happen to be out at about 9pm with a SLR camera and spot this basically UFO looking craft and fire off 6 photos and said it really looked like nothing else, because it really didn't in 1990 and it shot upwards, you know maybe it did a big vertical climb to pretend to do a bombing run or something.
They've never been heard of ever again, maybe they saw what it was in the future, an alien looking B-2 bomber and went ah-hah that was it and obviously wouldn't want the infamy attached to the photos, where are they?
We have a really grainy photo, basically so grainy it could be anything, a photo of a photo then scanned too, there are details amongst the pixels and these details could be wrong, I can't unsee them.
Firstly the shape is there, but it's also wrong and hazy above what could be the exhaust ports, giving a strange heat haze miragy ufo shape, the basic shape is within those pixels.
The most telling part, is a clear L barred shape, which suggests it's the B2 cockpit frame, there are two black shapes either side, suggesting the engine intakes, there is the clear shape of the leading edge of a wing, there is the point of the nose cone or wing at the front, there is also a very faint outline of the distinctive blended canopy, just that weird hazy stuff not allowing the shape to appear.
The real crazy thing if this is true, is that we're looking at it head on, with it slightly tipped upwards and the B2 gives that strange triangular appearance from underneith without even seeing the saw tooth edges of the wing, it is a flying wing so.
This is just a big guess with a big leap of faith, hey maybe aliens were over Scotland or anti gravity is a thing and we're all wasting our time flying around in jets and space rockets. Or they were testing the B2 bomber over Scotland days before the first Gulf War kicked off. Someone knows.
Here is my terrible photo analysis, I really do think that the UFO community are so fixated by Aliens and other dimensions we don't see the woods from the trees, it could be Aurora or some other unknown craft, remember 2 days after the 1st Gulf War, don't ask me what the other stuff is the US navy saw, probably aliens
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Anyway the Calvine Photo is really interesting and the date is 4th of August 1990, oh look the first Gulf War started on 2nd of August 1990, remember the F-117 made it's debut, well what else had just been built in Plant 42 in 1989 and nobody had ever seen it, yes the very very top secret B-2 bomber.
Debut test flight was 17th of July 1989 and then it was stored away for another 8 years before entering service, yeah right!
The B2 is a long range strategic stealth bomber as we all know, we also know the SR-71 operated out of Britain during the cold war, we also know that the USAF had access to a secret runway and RAF base in Scotland just off the sea.
Brilliant, why don't we go ahead and test our new 2 billion dollar B-2 stealth bomber across the atlantic and you know Britain can test it out to see if they can detect it on radar, maybe we'll have to fly really low, a bit like they did to us with their Vulcan.
Great, brilliant idea, better send up some Harriers too, to have a play with it, make sure nobodys going to try and shoot it down because you know it's hush hush.
Then by chance in the Scottish highlands a couple of spotty kitchen porter teenagers just happen to be out at about 9pm with a SLR camera and spot this basically UFO looking craft and fire off 6 photos and said it really looked like nothing else, because it really didn't in 1990 and it shot upwards, you know maybe it did a big vertical climb to pretend to do a bombing run or something.
They've never been heard of ever again, maybe they saw what it was in the future, an alien looking B-2 bomber and went ah-hah that was it and obviously wouldn't want the infamy attached to the photos, where are they?
We have a really grainy photo, basically so grainy it could be anything, a photo of a photo then scanned too, there are details amongst the pixels and these details could be wrong, I can't unsee them.
Firstly the shape is there, but it's also wrong and hazy above what could be the exhaust ports, giving a strange heat haze miragy ufo shape, the basic shape is within those pixels.
The most telling part, is a clear L barred shape, which suggests it's the B2 cockpit frame, there are two black shapes either side, suggesting the engine intakes, there is the clear shape of the leading edge of a wing, there is the point of the nose cone or wing at the front, there is also a very faint outline of the distinctive blended canopy, just that weird hazy stuff not allowing the shape to appear.
The real crazy thing if this is true, is that we're looking at it head on, with it slightly tipped upwards and the B2 gives that strange triangular appearance from underneith without even seeing the saw tooth edges of the wing, it is a flying wing so.
This is just a big guess with a big leap of faith, hey maybe aliens were over Scotland or anti gravity is a thing and we're all wasting our time flying around in jets and space rockets. Or they were testing the B2 bomber over Scotland days before the first Gulf War kicked off. Someone knows.
Here is my terrible photo analysis, I really do think that the UFO community are so fixated by Aliens and other dimensions we don't see the woods from the trees, it could be Aurora or some other unknown craft, remember 2 days after the 1st Gulf War, don't ask me what the other stuff is the US navy saw, probably aliens
.You're really doing the debunkers and the 'nothing to see here' Conformity Theorists no favours at all with that load of hogwash.
Your heavily manipulated picture of a b2 with half it's wing length conveniently cropped out but dark areas added to the fuesalge to try and make it the same shape as the calvine image is laughable.
Your heavily manipulated picture of a b2 with half it's wing length conveniently cropped out but dark areas added to the fuesalge to try and make it the same shape as the calvine image is laughable.
This is interesting. These things are increasing exponentially:
https://www.vice.com/en/article/3adadb/congress-ad...
https://www.vice.com/en/article/3adadb/congress-ad...
Reginald Molehusband said:
Skyrocket21 said:
. . . . hogwash . . .
Did you miss the bit where it was said to hover with a low hum for 10 minutes? Rather unlike a B2 I think.Edited by Reginald Molehusband on Thursday 25th August 22:37
It’ll be interesting to see what The Galileo Project turns up over the next few years. They’ve just put their first set of instruments on top of Harvard for testing, before they are deployed to a site where there have been many sightings of UAP’s.
https://projects.iq.harvard.edu/galileo/home
https://youtu.be/Tz57_If9LcU
https://projects.iq.harvard.edu/galileo/home
https://youtu.be/Tz57_If9LcU
BorkBorkBork said:
It’ll be interesting to see what The Galileo Project turns up over the next few years. They’ve just put their first set of instruments on top of Harvard for testing, before they are deployed to a site where there have been many sightings of UAP’s.
https://projects.iq.harvard.edu/galileo/home
https://youtu.be/Tz57_If9LcU
Since GP will only accept data collected through its own instruments, what is the needle:haystack ratio for this project?https://projects.iq.harvard.edu/galileo/home
https://youtu.be/Tz57_If9LcU
mike74 said:
Reginald Molehusband said:
Skyrocket21 said:
. . . . hogwash . . .
Did you miss the bit where it was said to hover with a low hum for 10 minutes? Rather unlike a B2 I think.Edited by Reginald Molehusband on Thursday 25th August 22:37
Hogwash, yes it probably is hogwash, so what's your plausible explanation for the Calvine craft? The only eyewitness were some 14 year old kids who just finished in the kitchen. I am making some leaps of faith, better explanation than a rock reflection? I still think that is a cockpit on the front, if it's anti gravity then you've all been lied to for many decades, the whole world has been conned out of a technology that could have benefited humanity and even curtailed some of the so called global warming by jet engines and cars etc.
Skyrocket21 said:
I still think that is a cockpit on the front
With respect, I think you're misinterpreting the image (albiet, it's not exactly high resolution). It's alleged to be side on, pointing to the left of the frame.Nick Pope, the former head of the MoD's UFO department had this render mocked up in 2020 (when the Gov announced a renewal on the redaction of the files), with consultation from the staff who saw the original "lost" images, who deemed it "spot on", apparently.
In their defence, the image released in 2022 is very similar to the prior mockup.
My plausible explanation (read: wild assumption)? It's some sort of unmanned stealth reconnaissance airship prototype/project with some form of assisted propulsion that went tits up and ended up low in Scottish airspace, briefly. Hear me out on this.
It's got a huge stabiliser fin on the rear edge (visible in the 2022 pic, if you squint) suggesting it's terrestrial, it's geometrically shaped - possibly for high altitude radar deflection, and it's reported to have hovered, and flown vertically - things that airships do.
Hugely speculative guesses, but I don't think it's beyond the realms of imagination that some state agency in the 80's would have had a vested interest in developing an asset that could loiter over an area for days or weeks at a time, undetected, with an array of advanced electronic/imaging suites - and if they did, I could see it being put to use over North Eastern Europe, given the state of the Soviet Union/Baltics at the time - which isn't a million miles away from Scotland.
Maybe something went tits up during transit, and it was deemed safer to scrub it in the Scottish Highlands, than in Northern Europe, or in the GIUK/North Sea corridors. I seriously doubt I'm right though.
Aliens might be more likely.
Skyrocket21 said:
The photo was never classified, it was lost! and sent back to the newspaper.
Hogwash, yes it probably is hogwash, so what's your plausible explanation for the Calvine craft? The only eyewitness were some 14 year old kids who just finished in the kitchen. I am making some leaps of faith, better explanation than a rock reflection? I still think that is a cockpit on the front, if it's anti gravity then you've all been lied to for many decades, the whole world has been conned out of a technology that could have benefited humanity and even curtailed some of the so called global warming by jet engines and cars etc.
The whole unredacted version of the file on the Calvine incident is classified so we don't know what the redactions consist of including any possible photo's. Hogwash, yes it probably is hogwash, so what's your plausible explanation for the Calvine craft? The only eyewitness were some 14 year old kids who just finished in the kitchen. I am making some leaps of faith, better explanation than a rock reflection? I still think that is a cockpit on the front, if it's anti gravity then you've all been lied to for many decades, the whole world has been conned out of a technology that could have benefited humanity and even curtailed some of the so called global warming by jet engines and cars etc.
I don't have a plausible explanation for what it is but I certainly think it's hogwash to suggest it was just a B2, especially when that explanation is backed up by your comical and heavily doctored 'photo analysis'.
As I said previously, if it was only a B2 as you suggest why have the MOD extended the classified status of the file for a further 50+ years instead of releasing it in 2020 as was supposed to happen?
dukeboy749r said:
Mike, do you think this is non-terrestrial, then?
If so, that’s equally hogwash.
Suddenly PH is in the Twilight Zone.
No I don't think it's non-terrestrial and have never suggested it may be.If so, that’s equally hogwash.
Suddenly PH is in the Twilight Zone.
What explanation do you have for what it may be?
There can't be many examples of technology that is deemed so important and ground breaking that the info on it has to remain restricted and classified for over 80 years after it was first developed.
Fabric said:
With respect, I think you're misinterpreting the image (albiet, it's not exactly high resolution). It's alleged to be side on, pointing to the left of the frame.
Nick Pope, the former head of the MoD's UFO department had this render mocked up in 2020 (when the Gov announced a renewal on the redaction of the files), with consultation from the staff who saw the original "lost" images, who deemed it "spot on", apparently.
In their defence, the image released in 2022 is very similar to the prior mockup.
That does all sound reasonably plausible although, again, I have to ask why would a stealth airship be deemed so technologically important that the file on it needs to remain classified for over 80 years?Nick Pope, the former head of the MoD's UFO department had this render mocked up in 2020 (when the Gov announced a renewal on the redaction of the files), with consultation from the staff who saw the original "lost" images, who deemed it "spot on", apparently.
In their defence, the image released in 2022 is very similar to the prior mockup.
That mock up photo seems to considerably exaggerate the size and scale of the 'rear stabiliser', which in the actual photo is barely evident and could just be a pixilation blur.
Also didn't the eyewitnesses account include a description of the object 'shooting away vertically at tremendous speed', which, if accurate and truthful, isn't a typical flight characteristic of an airship.
mike74 said:
That does all sound reasonably plausible although, again, I have to ask why would a stealth airship be deemed so technologically important that the file on it needs to remain classified for over 80 years?
That mock up photo seems to considerably exaggerate the size and scale of the 'rear stabiliser', which in the actual photo is barely evident and could just be a pixilation blur.
Also didn't the eyewitnesses account include a description of the object 'shooting away vertically at tremendous speed', which, if accurate and truthful, isn't a typical flight characteristic of an airship.
Not unless you stick a pin in it.That mock up photo seems to considerably exaggerate the size and scale of the 'rear stabiliser', which in the actual photo is barely evident and could just be a pixilation blur.
Also didn't the eyewitnesses account include a description of the object 'shooting away vertically at tremendous speed', which, if accurate and truthful, isn't a typical flight characteristic of an airship.
They could be terrestrial, but not human. Stay with me, I know that sounds crackers. But the earth has been around 4.5 billion years, and complex life over 500 million years. We’ve been here approx 300,000 years.
As a thought experiment, let’s just imagine an intelligent race of lizards existed at the time of the dinosaurs 65 million years ago. Then a 6 mile wide asteroid strikes Central America and there’s a mass extinction. But a few intelligent lizards survive, (as would small pockets of humans, probably, if a similar sized object hit earth today.) what would they do? Well, maybe they’d decide to move underground, as being on the surface is clearly a huge existential risk. And being cold blooded anyway, the geothermal heat would be useful anyway.
Now, I know that’s a stretch. But is it impossible? After 65 million years it’s extremely unlikely we’d detect any kind of prior surface based technology.
So, if a species of intelligent lizard people have been living and thriving beneath the earths surface for tens of millions of years, is it crazy to imagine they have technology far in advance of ours? And this maybe explains the many sightings of UFO’s emerging from and disappearing into large bodies of water.
In this scenario you don’t have to imagine life arising on another planet, a race of aliens having to overcome the impossible interstellar distances or any kind of inter dimensional travel.
Yes, on the face of it, it’s a crazy theory. But it’s far more plausible than anything extraterrestrial.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silurian_hypothesis
As a thought experiment, let’s just imagine an intelligent race of lizards existed at the time of the dinosaurs 65 million years ago. Then a 6 mile wide asteroid strikes Central America and there’s a mass extinction. But a few intelligent lizards survive, (as would small pockets of humans, probably, if a similar sized object hit earth today.) what would they do? Well, maybe they’d decide to move underground, as being on the surface is clearly a huge existential risk. And being cold blooded anyway, the geothermal heat would be useful anyway.
Now, I know that’s a stretch. But is it impossible? After 65 million years it’s extremely unlikely we’d detect any kind of prior surface based technology.
So, if a species of intelligent lizard people have been living and thriving beneath the earths surface for tens of millions of years, is it crazy to imagine they have technology far in advance of ours? And this maybe explains the many sightings of UFO’s emerging from and disappearing into large bodies of water.
In this scenario you don’t have to imagine life arising on another planet, a race of aliens having to overcome the impossible interstellar distances or any kind of inter dimensional travel.
Yes, on the face of it, it’s a crazy theory. But it’s far more plausible than anything extraterrestrial.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silurian_hypothesis
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