Meteorite in tree?

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SpudLink

5,889 posts

193 months

Tuesday 10th May 2022
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Upinflames said:
I wondered about it being a cannonball too. There was a bit of activity around here in the civil war but that was 200 years or so before the tree existed. I don't think there was anything cannon related in mid Cheshire in the early 1800s
A cannonball could presumably have been sitting in the soil for centuries. Then as the tree grew, the tree's edaphoecotropism* picked it up.

* Thanks oakdale (although I may not have used that correctly)


Edited by SpudLink on Tuesday 10th May 14:36

DodgyGeezer

40,582 posts

191 months

Tuesday 10th May 2022
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Upinflames said:
I wondered about it being a cannonball too. There was a bit of activity around here in the civil war but that was 200 years or so before the tree existed. I don't think there was anything cannon related in mid Cheshire in the early 1800s
could be practice firing?

take-good-care-of-the-forest-dewey

5,213 posts

56 months

Tuesday 10th May 2022
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SpudLink said:
Upinflames said:
I wondered about it being a cannonball too. There was a bit of activity around here in the civil war but that was 200 years or so before the tree existed. I don't think there was anything cannon related in mid Cheshire in the early 1800s
A cannonball could presumably have been sitting in the soil for centuries. Then as the tree grew, the tree's edaphoecotropism* picked it up.

* Thanks oakdale (although I may not have used that correctly)


Edited by SpudLink on Tuesday 10th May 14:36
Iron cannonballs were made so it could certainly be a cannonball. More likely thatn a meteorite.

Most likely is simply a lump of anything ferrous. Being encapsulated in a tree will tend towards a spherical or ovoid shape.

Bill

52,860 posts

256 months

Wednesday 11th May 2022
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Are there any iron age settlements near by? We found a meteor-wrong (as the local expert declared it, ho ho! biggrin )and while I can't remember the details it was decided it was likely iron age slag.

Which is still pretty cool.

ETA trying to remember who it was. I think it was a teacher in the local school that's a science academy and does a geology GCSE. IIRC we got talking at an open evening. I'd have thought it's also worth asking a local uni.

Edited by Bill on Wednesday 11th May 08:13

Narcisus

8,081 posts

281 months

Wednesday 11th May 2022
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Bill said:
Are there any iron age settlements near by? We found a meteor-wrong (as the local expert declared it, ho ho! biggrin )and while I can't remember the details it was decided it was likely iron age slag.

Which is still pretty cool.

ETA trying to remember who it was. I think it was a teacher in the local school that's a science academy and does a geology GCSE. IIRC we got talking at an open evening. I'd have thought it's also worth asking a local uni.

Edited by Bill on Wednesday 11th May 08:13
scratchchin

vaud

50,648 posts

156 months

Wednesday 11th May 2022
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Bill said:
...and while I can't remember the details it was decided it was likely iron age slag.
I've been on a night out in Hull as well.

Petrus1983

8,784 posts

163 months

Wednesday 11th May 2022
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Narcisus said:
Bill said:
Are there any iron age settlements near by? We found a meteor-wrong (as the local expert declared it, ho ho! biggrin )and while I can't remember the details it was decided it was likely iron age slag.

Which is still pretty cool.

ETA trying to remember who it was. I think it was a teacher in the local school that's a science academy and does a geology GCSE. IIRC we got talking at an open evening. I'd have thought it's also worth asking a local uni.

Edited by Bill on Wednesday 11th May 08:13
scratchchin
biglaughbiglaugh

Bill

52,860 posts

256 months

Wednesday 11th May 2022
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vaud said:
I've been on a night out in Hull as well.
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Upinflames

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1,711 posts

179 months

Wednesday 11th May 2022
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Bill said:
Are there any iron age settlements near by? We found a meteor-wrong (as the local expert declared it, ho ho! biggrin )and while I can't remember the details it was decided it was likely iron age slag.

Which is still pretty cool.

ETA trying to remember who it was. I think it was a teacher in the local school that's a science academy and does a geology GCSE. IIRC we got talking at an open evening. I'd have thought it's also worth asking a local uni.

Edited by Bill on Wednesday 11th May 08:13
Yes there is, big iron age fort about 4 miles as the crow flies and some earthworks very close by.

Simpo Two

85,606 posts

266 months

Saturday 14th May 2022
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vaud said:
Bill said:
...and while I can't remember the details it was decided it was likely iron age slag.
I've been on a night out in Hull as well.
Funniest thing I've read on PH for ages!


Size isn't given but it looks far too small to be a cannonball. I thought possibly a musket ball but they were lead so not magnetic. It also looks wrong for that.

I'll go for meteorite.

vaud

50,648 posts

156 months

Saturday 14th May 2022
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Simpo Two said:
Funniest thing I've read on PH for ages!
cool

Ayahuasca

27,427 posts

280 months

Friday 17th June 2022
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Having had a look at the meteorite photos and info in the link above, I am going with ‘not a meteorite’.

But, too big to be a normal musket ball and too small to be a cannonball. Perhaps a ball from a canister shot.

Someone might even have out it there, say in the fork of the sapling and the tree grew around it. Whilst metal detecting I have put bits of random iron in forks in saplings.

Caddyshack

10,885 posts

207 months

Friday 17th June 2022
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Simpo Two said:
vaud said:
Bill said:
...and while I can't remember the details it was decided it was likely iron age slag.
I've been on a night out in Hull as well.
Funniest thing I've read on PH for ages!


Size isn't given but it looks far too small to be a cannonball. I thought possibly a musket ball but they were lead so not magnetic. It also looks wrong for that.

I'll go for meteorite.
I have posted before in this thread that very early musket balls were of a metal alloy, which might be magnetic.

Simpo Two

85,606 posts

266 months

Friday 17th June 2022
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Caddyshack said:
I have posted before in this thread that very early musket balls were of a metal alloy, which might be magnetic.
Why would that be, seeing as lead has a very low melting point and therefore easier to make musket balls from? And also denser = more damage.

Ayahuasca

27,427 posts

280 months

Friday 17th June 2022
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Simpo Two said:
Caddyshack said:
I have posted before in this thread that very early musket balls were of a metal alloy, which might be magnetic.
Why would that be, seeing as lead has a very low melting point and therefore easier to make musket balls from? And also denser = more damage.
I think the OP said the tree was 200 years old so probably unlikely to have been a very early musket ball.

Caddyshack

10,885 posts

207 months

Saturday 18th June 2022
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Simpo Two said:
Caddyshack said:
I have posted before in this thread that very early musket balls were of a metal alloy, which might be magnetic.
Why would that be, seeing as lead has a very low melting point and therefore easier to make musket balls from? And also denser = more damage.
No idea why, I was just researching musket balls…the alloys were made of lead and tin which would explain the magnetism, tin has a low melting point as well so it was probably more to do with availability and what else someone like a blacksmith made and had available initially…I guess?

Edited by Caddyshack on Saturday 18th June 06:21

Caddyshack

10,885 posts

207 months

Saturday 18th June 2022
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Ayahuasca said:
Simpo Two said:
Caddyshack said:
I have posted before in this thread that very early musket balls were of a metal alloy, which might be magnetic.
Why would that be, seeing as lead has a very low melting point and therefore easier to make musket balls from? And also denser = more damage.
I think the OP said the tree was 200 years old so probably unlikely to have been a very early musket ball.
I don’t think tree ageing is as accurate as all that, could have been much younger or older and the musket ball, if that is what it is, could have been picked up from the earth, in theory (see edaphoecotropism)

Tin Hat

1,380 posts

210 months

Saturday 18th June 2022
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Upinflames said:
Nightmare said:
Awesome! Certainly has the right characteristics to be a meteorite from those pics and description. Will ask my wife later as this is her area of expertise smile
Thanks, I'd be interested to hear her opinion
I hope she hasn’t left him

lrdisco

1,452 posts

88 months

Saturday 18th June 2022
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Simpo Two said:
vaud said:
Bill said:
...and while I can't remember the details it was decided it was likely iron age slag.
I've been on a night out in Hull as well.
Funniest thing I've read on PH for ages!


Size isn't given but it looks far too small to be a cannonball. I thought possibly a musket ball but they were lead so not magnetic. It also looks wrong for that.

I'll go for meteorite.
Hey I’m from Hull. It’s not that bad.

Well it is but there’s always Bradford on levels of awful.

Caddyshack

10,885 posts

207 months

Saturday 18th June 2022
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lrdisco said:
Simpo Two said:
vaud said:
Bill said:
...and while I can't remember the details it was decided it was likely iron age slag.
I've been on a night out in Hull as well.
Funniest thing I've read on PH for ages!


Size isn't given but it looks far too small to be a cannonball. I thought possibly a musket ball but they were lead so not magnetic. It also looks wrong for that.

I'll go for meteorite.
Hey I’m from Hull. It’s not that bad.

Well it is but there’s always Bradford on levels of awful.
My Dad always referred to “those girls” as “Grimsby Girls”