Wheel stuck on hub: help.

Wheel stuck on hub: help.

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Blue62

8,881 posts

153 months

Friday 5th December 2014
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Could some kind soul explain what the problem is with applying copper grease. Just greased my hubs after fitting winter wheels and would like to know.

Sump

5,484 posts

168 months

Friday 5th December 2014
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Blue62 said:
Could some kind soul explain what the problem is with applying copper grease. Just greased my hubs after fitting winter wheels and would like to know.
No problem at all.

Condi

17,207 posts

172 months

Friday 5th December 2014
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CraigyMc said:
IanCress said:
requires a little bravery, is to loosen the wheel nuts by a few turns, then go for a slow drive down the street which will hopefully release the wheel.
The car is worth about 10K. I'd prefer to avoid this if possible.
This is the advised method. You only need a 10mph bimble down the road, it wont damage anything.

p1esk

4,914 posts

197 months

Friday 5th December 2014
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If you're going to lower the jack so that the wheel comes down onto the ground and has full load on it, I wouldn't loosen the wheel nuts "a few turns": it would be no more than about half a turn, especially if you're going to try driving the car a short distance. All you need to do is make sure the wheel nuts are no longer clamping the wheel onto the hub. Any looser than that and you risk doing some damage to wheel studs or the wheel itself when the wheel comes unstuck from the hub.

jefword

182 posts

193 months

Friday 5th December 2014
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Don't try this method.





WinstonWolf

72,857 posts

240 months

Friday 5th December 2014
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Sump said:
Blue62 said:
Could some kind soul explain what the problem is with applying copper grease. Just greased my hubs after fitting winter wheels and would like to know.
No problem at all.
Yup, always done it, helps prevent electrolytic corrosion and problems such as this.

CraigyMc

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16,417 posts

237 months

Friday 5th December 2014
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WinstonWolf said:
Sump said:
Blue62 said:
Could some kind soul explain what the problem is with applying copper grease. Just greased my hubs after fitting winter wheels and would like to know.
No problem at all.
Yup, always done it, helps prevent electrolytic corrosion and problems such as this.
Just to be clear, there is actually copper grease behind the wheel in this case too. Just not enough, apparently.

WinstonWolf

72,857 posts

240 months

Friday 5th December 2014
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CraigyMc said:
WinstonWolf said:
Sump said:
Blue62 said:
Could some kind soul explain what the problem is with applying copper grease. Just greased my hubs after fitting winter wheels and would like to know.
No problem at all.
Yup, always done it, helps prevent electrolytic corrosion and problems such as this.
Just to be clear, there is actually copper grease behind the wheel in this case too. Just not enough, apparently.
Unlucky smile Just crack the wheel nuts half a turn and let the weight of the car do the work for you if it's stuck.

CrutyRammers

13,735 posts

199 months

Friday 5th December 2014
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Blue62 said:
Could some kind soul explain what the problem is with applying copper grease. Just greased my hubs after fitting winter wheels and would like to know.
Practically, probably none. But since the wheel is held to the hub by friction between the mating faces, putting grease on them reduces that friction, so probably isn't a great idea. However there generally seems to be enough margin for error that it doesn't cause a problem.

Blue62

8,881 posts

153 months

Friday 5th December 2014
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CrutyRammers said:
Practically, probably none. But since the wheel is held to the hub by friction between the mating faces, putting grease on them reduces that friction, so probably isn't a great idea. However there generally seems to be enough margin for error that it doesn't cause a problem.
I figured that is the issue and thanks for the other responses. I will keep using the grease on my alloys, but sparingly and to the OP I would recommend he purchase a rubber mallet, works for me.

p1esk

4,914 posts

197 months

Friday 5th December 2014
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CrutyRammers said:
Blue62 said:
Could some kind soul explain what the problem is with applying copper grease. Just greased my hubs after fitting winter wheels and would like to know.
Practically, probably none. But since the wheel is held to the hub by friction between the mating faces, putting grease on them reduces that friction, so probably isn't a great idea. However there generally seems to be enough margin for error that it doesn't cause a problem.
Is the transmission of acceleration and braking torque really dependent on friction between the wheel and hub? I'd have thought the wheel studs took care of that, with the nuts seating into conical areas of the wheel; unless the design details are different these days.

TooMany2cvs

29,008 posts

127 months

Friday 5th December 2014
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p1esk said:
Is the transmission of acceleration and braking torque really dependent on friction between the wheel and hub? I'd have thought the wheel studs took care of that, with the nuts seating into conical areas of the wheel; unless the design details are different these days.
You're right.

Think about the difference in friction between a shiny new wheel on a shiny new disk, versus a manky steel that's been hung under a boot floor as a spare onto a manky near-end-of-life disk.

TA14

12,722 posts

259 months

FiF

44,108 posts

252 months

Friday 5th December 2014
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The most likely place for corrosion to cause a significant issue is between the spigot and the spigot hole.

As mentioned above the clamping force window for normal vehicles is sufficient that application of a very small amount is not that detrimental. Larger vehicles though it's an absolute nono

I use the loosen the wheel bolts method and do them up finger tight. Slow drive with a little wiggle and you can hear the wheel come "loose" except it isn't actually loose. Tighten the nuts back up, drive back the few yards to starting point and bob is your uncle.

andburg

7,295 posts

170 months

Friday 5th December 2014
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if you have a space heater you could try to heat up the wheel?

Spare tyre

9,586 posts

131 months

Friday 5th December 2014
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Use another wheel to bash it

57Ford

4,053 posts

135 months

Friday 5th December 2014
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TooMany2cvs said:
...do a bit of a swervey-wiggle...
Is that one of those Advanced Driver manoeuvres like 'J-turn', 'Dab-of-oppo' and the Expert Fat B*#tard's favourite 'The Jacknife During Rush Hour'?

57Ford

4,053 posts

135 months

Friday 5th December 2014
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Anyway, OP have you pulled it off yet? Oo-er!

Think the OP's currently flattened with a car on top of him after following the advice of some. Either that or shovelling down spinach and man-up pills smile

Edited by 57Ford on Friday 5th December 17:34

TooMany2cvs

29,008 posts

127 months

Friday 5th December 2014
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57Ford said:
TooMany2cvs said:
...do a bit of a swervey-wiggle...
Is that one of those Advanced Driver manoeuvres like 'J-turn', 'Dab-of-oppo' and the Expert Fat B*#tard's favourite 'The Jacknife During Rush Hour'?
"Professional driver on a closed course. Do not attempt"

curlie467

7,650 posts

202 months

Friday 5th December 2014
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Joe5y said:
curlie467 said:
Put the wheel nuts/bolts on loosely and drive up and down the drive/road, this should do it.
Don't do this! Highly dangerous not to mention running the risk of shearing bolts!
Give over. Dozens of people have suggested this.
I am not telling him to get on the motorway, just to turn the wheels a few revolutions and I suggested the road because I don't know if he has a drive.