Use of heat to free up rusted on and stubborn nuts

Use of heat to free up rusted on and stubborn nuts

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E-bmw

9,240 posts

153 months

Wednesday 16th December 2015
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OK, I see what you mean, I missed the bit about the Allen bolt head.

I have a set of these, the amount of force that can be put onto the outside of recalcitrant Allen bolt heads with them is astonishing.

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Bahco-1410-Pipe-Wrench-3...

Obviously, they would need replacing afterwards though.

Edited by E-bmw on Wednesday 16th December 09:32

one eyed mick

1,189 posts

162 months

Wednesday 16th December 2015
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Allways move the nut first if possible as the bolt may be very snug in its bore, even splitting them should be considered new bolts and nyloc nuts would not be a fortune [ unless you purchase from Ferrari]

Pumaracing

2,089 posts

208 months

Friday 18th December 2015
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Tool use and fastener dismantling expertise.

https://web.archive.org/web/20110909075159/http://...

Andy 308GTB

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2,926 posts

222 months

Friday 18th December 2015
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Pumaracing said:
Tool use and fastener dismantling expertise.

https://web.archive.org/web/20110909075159/http://...
This is a great link, I'd lost it - thanks for sticking back up again biggrin

one eyed mick

1,189 posts

162 months

Saturday 19th December 2015
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^^^^^ what e said one of the best reads I have had for ages , it refreshed things from many years ago thanks Puma !!

Pumaracing

2,089 posts

208 months

Saturday 19th December 2015
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Glad that people have found my ramblings useful. smile

Looking at the OP's problem I suspect it would be a non-issue for an experienced mechanic. A few good belts with a hammer or at worst cut the nuts off with an angle grinder.

E-bmw

9,240 posts

153 months

Saturday 19th December 2015
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As you say it is one of those jobs where you give it a bit of a go & if that doesn't work, just go nuclear & get out the grinder & order new bolts.

Pumaracing

2,089 posts

208 months

Sunday 20th December 2015
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Looking at the photo on the first page I suspect that the problem is corrosion that has got into the split lines on the self locking nuts. If belting seven types of merry hell out of the heads of the allen bolts doesn't work then get an angle grinder with a thin 1mm disc on it and cut off just the split portion of the nuts and the section of bolt that's inside those leaving the hex part of the nuts in situ. The rest of the threads should be corrosion free and ought to undo easily. The nuts and bolts will be stock items at any decent fastener supplier. Replace with grade 12.8 allen bolts and grade 8.8 self locking nuts.

Andy 308GTB

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2,926 posts

222 months

Sunday 20th December 2015
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Pumaracing said:
Looking at the photo on the first page I suspect that the problem is corrosion that has got into the split lines on the self locking nuts. If belting seven types of merry hell out of the heads of the allen bolts doesn't work then get an angle grinder with a thin 1mm disc on it and cut off just the split portion of the nuts and the section of bolt that's inside those leaving the hex part of the nuts in situ. The rest of the threads should be corrosion free and ought to undo easily. The nuts and bolts will be stock items at any decent fastener supplier. Replace with grade 12.8 allen bolts and grade 8.8 self locking nuts.
Thanks - very clear info.

After my initial foray into releasing the these bolts, I have attended to other issues such as rebuilding the steering rack and completely stripping the front suspension.
The decks are now clear & I will be having a crack at the rear suspension over the Christmas holiday.

Cutting the nuts off will be my back stop - but I suspect I may come to this conclusion very quickly.






Edited by Andy 308GTB on Sunday 20th December 08:17

E-bmw

9,240 posts

153 months

Sunday 20th December 2015
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As above, don't try too hard, because if they don't come easily, cutting them off will expend much less energy/time & ultimately, you then end up with new un-rusty bolts which will be a further benefit to fit.

Pumaracing

2,089 posts

208 months

Sunday 20th December 2015
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Just a final note. I'd use nyloc nuts on the rebuild rather than those split things the factory fitted. The nice thing about nylocs is the nylon insert keeps corrosion out of the threads and if you lightly grease the bolts before fitting they'll undo as easily as the day they were fitted more or less ad infinitum.

B'stard Child

28,450 posts

247 months

Sunday 20th December 2015
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Pumaracing said:
Tool use and fastener dismantling expertise.

https://web.archive.org/web/20110909075159/http://...
I can't make that link work no matter how I do it??

Or am I due a parrot

E-bmw

9,240 posts

153 months

Sunday 20th December 2015
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Parrot!

Just click on it & it opens for me.

E-bmw

9,240 posts

153 months

Sunday 20th December 2015
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Pumaracing said:
Just a final note. I'd use nyloc nuts on the rebuild rather than those split things the factory fitted. The nice thing about nylocs is the nylon insert keeps corrosion out of the threads and if you lightly grease the bolts before fitting they'll undo as easily as the day they were fitted more or less ad infinitum.
Also grease the threaded section that sticks proud after tightening, as that will now be wiped free of grease bt=y the nylon insert & that is the bit that will now rust & make removal harder next time.

B'stard Child

28,450 posts

247 months

Sunday 20th December 2015
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E-bmw said:
Parrot!

Just click on it & it opens for me.
Nope for some reason it faults out

E-bmw

9,240 posts

153 months

Sunday 20th December 2015
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Are you using pc/mac/phone/android?

B'stard Child

28,450 posts

247 months

Sunday 20th December 2015
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E-bmw said:
Are you using pc/mac/phone/android?
PC's Tried it on both of them

interloper

2,747 posts

256 months

Sunday 20th December 2015
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An alternative to heat that has worked for me is freeze spray (freeze and release spray). Does the opposite of heat and is a bit safer.

Andy 308GTB

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2,926 posts

222 months

Friday 1st January 2016
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The Angle Grinder won!

I umm'ed and aah'ed for days, avoiding the decision by getting on with other jobs.
But in the end, 15 minutes was all it took and I was able to release the bolts with a modest tug of the breaker bar.

Replacement bolts (I will need 24 in total) sum up the Ferrari spares market:
Usual suspects £3.95 or £2.95 per bolt (+P&P +VAT)
A little work on the internet yielded 30 bolts for £24 delivered...
I know the specialists provide a fantastic service and keep these cars on the road. Whenever I can, I do try to deal with them but there is a limit biggrin




paintman

7,693 posts

191 months

Friday 1st January 2016
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Andy 308GTB said:
The Angle Grinder won!

I umm'ed and aah'ed for days, avoiding the decision by getting on with other jobs.
But in the end, 15 minutes was all it took and I was able to release the bolts with a modest tug of the breaker bar.

Replacement bolts (I will need 24 in total) sum up the Ferrari spares market:
Usual suspects £3.95 or £2.95 per bolt (+P&P +VAT)
A little work on the internet yielded 30 bolts for £24 delivered...
I know the specialists provide a fantastic service and keep these cars on the road. Whenever I can, I do try to deal with them but there is a limit biggrin
And £4.56 + VAT if you wanted to use the original type nuts I was glad I was sitting down when I saw the prices in the superformance link.