Feeling brave, front discs and pads
Discussion
I have never done this job before. The car is my Panda 100hp, will I need special tools? How to get the piston back if no special tools? If I order the pads and discs - I am going for brembo - do I need anything else - clips etc. also online I have seen a guy use thread lock on the caliper mounting bolts - do I do the same ? Copper grease on the back of the pads?
Brembo is a big name but their 'OEM Equivalent' pads are thoroughly average. Pads from Fiat would be better. The rest of it sounds pretty bang on, you need to find out whether you need a wind back tool. Brake disc retaining screws can be a bit of a pain sometimes, impact screwdriver comes into its own here.
Most pads come with new thread locked caliper bolts. ( check thread against the originals )
No problem with wind back tools on the front. A G clamp or water pump pliers will ease the caliper pistons in .
Stay away from copper grease, can do more harm than good. Ensure caliper assembly is clean prior to assembly.
No problem with wind back tools on the front. A G clamp or water pump pliers will ease the caliper pistons in .
Stay away from copper grease, can do more harm than good. Ensure caliper assembly is clean prior to assembly.
freddytin said:
Most pads come with new thread locked caliper bolts. ( check thread against the originals )
No problem with wind back tools on the front. A G clamp or water pump pliers will ease the caliper pistons in .
Stay away from copper grease, can do more harm than good. Ensure caliper assembly is clean prior to assembly.
I'm sorry but two of your statements are bks, new pads do not come with caliper bolts (I too have done hundreds) and you should use copper grease on the back of the pads, it won't do any harm if used properly.No problem with wind back tools on the front. A G clamp or water pump pliers will ease the caliper pistons in .
Stay away from copper grease, can do more harm than good. Ensure caliper assembly is clean prior to assembly.
people giving out wrong advice on mechanical threads should step away from the keyboard.
Jazoli said:
I'm sorry but two of your statements are bks, new pads do not come with caliper bolts (I too have done hundreds) and you should use copper grease on the back of the pads, it won't do any harm if used properly.
people giving out wrong advice on mechanical threads should step away from the keyboard.
Genuine Jaguar X-Type pads do, as do the Lexus IS200/300 genuine pads, genuine Toyota Aygo pads do... Just chill out before calling bkspeople giving out wrong advice on mechanical threads should step away from the keyboard.
Jazoli said:
freddytin said:
Most pads come with new thread locked caliper bolts. ( check thread against the originals )
No problem with wind back tools on the front. A G clamp or water pump pliers will ease the caliper pistons in .
Stay away from copper grease, can do more harm than good. Ensure caliper assembly is clean prior to assembly.
I'm sorry but two of your statements are bks, new pads do not come with caliper bolts (I too have done hundreds) and you should use copper grease on the back of the pads, it won't do any harm if used properly.No problem with wind back tools on the front. A G clamp or water pump pliers will ease the caliper pistons in .
Stay away from copper grease, can do more harm than good. Ensure caliper assembly is clean prior to assembly.
people giving out wrong advice on mechanical threads should step away from the keyboard.
Copper grease, I only use on the tails of the pad, as most now have there own coating on the back
Jazoli said:
freddytin said:
Most pads come with new thread locked caliper bolts. ( check thread against the originals )
No problem with wind back tools on the front. A G clamp or water pump pliers will ease the caliper pistons in .
Stay away from copper grease, can do more harm than good. Ensure caliper assembly is clean prior to assembly.
I'm sorry but two of your statements are bks, new pads do not come with caliper bolts (I too have done hundreds) and you should use copper grease on the back of the pads, it won't do any harm if used properly.No problem with wind back tools on the front. A G clamp or water pump pliers will ease the caliper pistons in .
Stay away from copper grease, can do more harm than good. Ensure caliper assembly is clean prior to assembly.
people giving out wrong advice on mechanical threads should step away from the keyboard.
I fully agree with your sentiment, in this instance we will have to agree to differ. I accept your experience may not mirror mine but that doesn't mean I'm wrong.
I usually source pads from local motor factors i.e Unipart or Ferraris and invariably they do contain new threadlocked bolts *4.
The pads themselves are often coated and require no grease.
Absolutely not intending to give out shonky advice , infact I will normally only comment if I have genuine worthwhile experience on a particular subject.
Unless I have been on the cider then it could be a load of tosh
Peace Jaz
Toaster Pilot said:
freddytin said:
Most pads come with new thread locked caliper bolts. ( check thread against the originals )
Where do you buy pads from? Never seen a set with bolts in the box and I've fitted hundreds I've not seen bolts included with pads before.
The caliper carrier bolts will typically go again, the sliding pin bolts on single piston calipers sometimes will not.
I always use genuine O.E. pads on my own cars. They are invariably the best available, discounting performance upgrades which have their drawbacks
The caliper carrier bolts will typically go again, the sliding pin bolts on single piston calipers sometimes will not.
I always use genuine O.E. pads on my own cars. They are invariably the best available, discounting performance upgrades which have their drawbacks
You'll probably 'need' none although if new bolts are included they're worth using. The calipers affix to their carriers using two bolts so that's four in total holding the front calipers to the carriers. Four more bolts secure the caliper carriers onto the uprights.
Edited by HustleRussell on Friday 29th July 18:43
So I bought the pagid discs and pads and the accessory kit (image). Let's see how we go. I have some copper grease that says for temperatures up to 1100 degrees. I will use this for the end of the pads where they sit in the caliper and the caliper pins... Does that sound like a good plan? Let's see when they arrive.
The important thing when fitting new discs is to make sure the hub face (to which the disc mates) is absolutely spotless. Any dirt will hold the disc out of true. Which will lead to issues with uneven pad wear, juddering etc.
For what it`s worth I have used the same tin of copper grease on literally dozens of pad changes over the years with no problems. Used sparingly in the right places it's fine.
Don't forget maintenance as well. All my cars have their pads removed annually for a clean up, the discs derusted, a deglaze and reassembly. This also gives you a chance to check other stuff whilst the wheels are off, driveshafts, springs, shocks etc. None of it difficult and avoids nasty surprises come MOT time.
For what it`s worth I have used the same tin of copper grease on literally dozens of pad changes over the years with no problems. Used sparingly in the right places it's fine.
Don't forget maintenance as well. All my cars have their pads removed annually for a clean up, the discs derusted, a deglaze and reassembly. This also gives you a chance to check other stuff whilst the wheels are off, driveshafts, springs, shocks etc. None of it difficult and avoids nasty surprises come MOT time.
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