(2006) Peugeot 206 1.4 hdi Timing belt issues

[Mooo]

Hello,

A month back now the water pump on my 2006 206 1.4hdi seized causing damage to the engine that warranted a new engine. After picking up a new engine I decided to do the cambelt and water pump before putting the new engine in for ease of access. However, stupidly, I forgot to lock the pulleys before removing the old belt. Annoyingly, the crankshaft pulley is only a cm or so from the timing hole but it will not budge and I do not want to force it. The cam shaft pulley rotates freely. The transmission still isn't attached to the new engine either.
Sorry for the long post, hope someone can shed some light as this is the first bit of proper tinkering I have ever done

Cheers in advance

[Robmainstgarage]

Can the crank pulley not be moved either way?
If you move the camshaft pulley round 1/4 or 1/2 then can the crank pulley be moved?

[Mooo]

Wont go either way

[Captain Answer]

Mooo said:

Hello,

A month back now the water pump on my 2006 206 1.4hdi seized causing damage to the engine that warranted a new engine. After picking up a new engine I decided to do the cambelt and water pump before putting the new engine in for ease of access. However, stupidly, I forgot to lock the pulleys before removing the old belt. Annoyingly, the crankshaft pulley is only a cm or so from the timing hole but it will not budge and I do not want to force it. The cam shaft pulley rotates freely. The transmission still isn't attached to the new engine either.
Sorry for the long post, hope someone can shed some light as this is the first bit of proper tinkering I have ever done

Cheers in advance

What you using to try and rotate the Crankshaft? I doubt you'd move one by hand, need a ratchet (pref long handled) and socket on the nut and just apply pressure gently

[oakdale]

What do you mean when you say the camshaft rotates freely? There should be quite a bit of resistance.

You need to be very careful moving the crankshaft or cam when the belt is off.

[GreenV8S]

May seem a silly question, but are you certain you're naming the shafts correctly? The crank should rotate under firm hand pressure but the camshaft is likely to drop into a low point and require a lot of torque to get out of it.

[Mooo]

Yes, the camshaft can be turned using a 16mm spanner and i am using just a ratchet and 18mm socket on the crankshaft wont turn it. I do have a longer handled ratchet but do not want to cause any damage. When I said the camshaft was turning freely I just meant I could turn it without the use of too much force, not movable by hand. Sorry if this isn't very clear

[oakdale]

I assume the 'new' engine is a used one as you're replacing the cambelt, it could be that the piston rings have rusted to the bore if it's been standing around for a while.

If the crank is nearly in the correct position, make sure the camshaft is in the correct position then put a gearbox mounting bolt in the back of the block and try carefully levering the flywheel with a lever or large screwdriver against the ring gear teeth to see if you can move it.

You could try getting some WD40 or the like into the bores via the glow plug holes if they'll come out without breaking.

[Mooo]

Yes the "new" engine has done a fair few miles too. Thank you very much, I will give that a go next as would feel like a right tool to mess this one up. All a learning curve haha!!