EX LGV driver and instructor + regs links

[R0G]

stevenr said:

Yes thank you,sorry if i'm being thick here but does the CPC come as part of the actual test now or is it done as a seperate thing afterwards?

The pratical mod 4 is a seperate test and is not done as part of the mod 3 practical road drive test

Mod 2 must be passed before mod 4 can be taken

Some trainers do the mod 4 test during the training for the mod 3 test which keeps the cost down to just the mod 4 test fee

Others do it seperately from the mod 3 training and test and the cost then goes up to around 250 to 300 because the vehicle and trainer needs to be used for it

[R0G]

GTO Scott said:

R0G said:

VOSA FINES

I don't suppose you'd have the link for the PSV version of this?

That is for both LGV & PCV

[GTO Scott]

Cheers

[GC8]

That suggests that I could get away with being 1.5 tonnes over weight in a 32 tonne vehicle, without being fined, as their fine threshold appears to be 5%>.

[R0G]

GC8 said:

That suggests that I could get away with being 1.5 tonnes over weight in a 32 tonne vehicle, without being fined, as their fine threshold appears to be 5%>.

That would get logged and if done too often will incur the wrath of VOSA for the driver and the operator

[GC8]

Sounds reasonable, but Ive only ever been weighed once, and then they were only interested is seeing whether the front axle was overloaded.

Theres no material advantage of course, because whos going to write out a ticket showing an extra 1.5 tonnes of product?

[ADHARPER]

I agree with what we are saying as drivers, yes there are faults with the systems in place. It has not been thought out and it could be run better, but before we do what we do best as drivers and start ripping the job to pieces consider these points
1 - this has come from Brussells, not our Government.
2 - can any of us reel off drivers hours and working time regulations to the letter.
3 - regulations are changed all the time - the working time directive was cocked up the first time round.
4 - if you have driven hgv since the log book days and not learnt anything new, do you want to pay the £000's of pounds fine from V.O.S.A when you get it wrong?
5 - you build your knowledge up to beat your transport manager down when they tell you that you are allowed to drive for 18 hours in one shift - it has happened - managers don't like the drivers cpc as it gives the drivers knowledge and power.
6 - do you forget that if you get it wrong, its not just your commercial entitlement you cock up but your private licence aswell.
7 - The way things are at the moment new drivers cannot afford to learn to drive an hgv, on the other hand older drivers are packing it in because of all the messing about - in a perfect world this may lead to better jobs for us in 2014 - this country cannot operate without drivers !

[R0G]

The problem with any training is that it must be tailored to what an individual needs and not blanket training so that means individual assessments beforehand

The present system does not allow for that

[spike50]

ADHARPER said:

I agree with what we are saying as drivers, yes there are faults with the systems in place. It has not been thought out and it could be run better, but before we do what we do best as drivers and start ripping the job to pieces consider these points
1 - this has come from Brussells, not our Government.
2 - can any of us reel off drivers hours and working time regulations to the letter.
3 - regulations are changed all the time - the working time directive was cocked up the first time round.
4 - if you have driven hgv since the log book days and not learnt anything new, do you want to pay the £000's of pounds fine from V.O.S.A when you get it wrong?
5 - you build your knowledge up to beat your transport manager down when they tell you that you are allowed to drive for 18 hours in one shift - it has happened - managers don't like the drivers cpc as it gives the drivers knowledge and power.
6 - do you forget that if you get it wrong, its not just your commercial entitlement you cock up but your private licence aswell.
7 - The way things are at the moment new drivers cannot afford to learn to drive an hgv, on the other hand older drivers are packing it in because of all the messing about - in a perfect world this may lead to better jobs for us in 2014 - this country cannot operate without drivers !

1 our spineless gits never stood up to any of this , oh wait a minute who is eu transport minister?
2 prob not to the letter but a good understanding and copy of vosa book to back up an grey areas
3 its in everbodys interest to keep up to date , and everbody i know does
4 see 2+3
5 see 2+3
6 ditto
7 yeah like a few years ago there wasnt enough drivers, what the hell open the doors to another country with cheap labour ,
if you think this will make our wages better or conditions better then i think you are fooling yourself , i really would like it to but very sceptical
to my mind this is just a way to create a few jobs for trainers ,
and what do you know , now they are talking about modern apprentiships to replace the dcpc

[GC8]

Eastern Europeans will always take up the shortfall. In reality some jobs have already been lost to Eastern European drivers and there are plenty of Eastern Europeans with C+E licences who really shouldnt have them, too!

In my experience, most drivers already have a proper CPC, although I realise that this isnt representitive.