Foreign lorries hitting cars on UK motorways

Foreign lorries hitting cars on UK motorways

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john2443

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6,349 posts

212 months

Friday 1st June 2012
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My car journey to work includes some M25 and at least once a week I see an eastern european lorry on the hard shoulder with a dented car - and if I see 1 in the 1/2 hour I'm on there for 3 junctions, there must be a lot over all the hours/junctions/motorways.

The question is - is it more difficult to see cars from a LHD truck than a RHD?
If the visibility is as good from either side of the cab then it must be down the lack of care of the drivers or driving on the other side of the road; if so, is it common in Europe for UK drivers to take the front end off cars when changing lanes?

(I know that car drivers are sometimes responsible by hiding in the blindspots, but it's rare that I've seen UK trucks having the accidents)

R0G

4,987 posts

156 months

Friday 1st June 2012
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The question is - is it more difficult to see cars from a LHD truck than a RHD?

The answer is yes if referring to cars on the right hand side

On RHD the big blindspot in on the left and in most circumstances when moving left there is nothing likely to be there

On LHD the big blindspot is on the right and as most need to move right to pass etc then the likelyhood is that something might be there

The mirrors can easily see the back three quarters of the trailer but anything forward of that can be unseen

Advice to car drivers is to NEVER hang around in that blind spot - either be back of it or in front of the cab
If that area cannot be passed very smartly then wait until you can

As RHD trucks from the UK often have foreign plates then that cannot be used to determine what side the driver is but there is a sure way to do so -
Look for the DOWN MIRROR in the top middle of the cab door - if you can see that then the driver is on the opposite side as those mirrors are only on the non driver side



Edited by R0G on Friday 1st June 15:59

chilistrucker

4,541 posts

152 months

Sunday 3rd June 2012
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what rog said cool

when i do the tours, all the firms trucks are left hookers as most of the time, they are on the roads of europe. it can be an interesting drive at times in a left hooker, in the uk.

Panda76

2,576 posts

151 months

Monday 4th June 2012
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Don't dawdle around trucks full stop.It's annoying,more so when the dawdler is holding you up to make an overtake on motorway slow moving shopping trolley.
Get on with it and GTFO the way.

lazyitus

19,926 posts

267 months

Wednesday 6th June 2012
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I see this type of accident a lot.

I understand the reasons why it happens but I'm mystified as to why somebody hasn't invented some type of better/bigger offside mirror for trucks or even a small TV in the cab relaying pictures of the blind side. It can't be that hard, can it?

R0G

4,987 posts

156 months

Wednesday 6th June 2012
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lazyitus said:
I see this type of accident a lot.

I understand the reasons why it happens but I'm mystified as to why somebody hasn't invented some type of better/bigger offside mirror for trucks or even a small TV in the cab relaying pictures of the blind side. It can't be that hard, can it?
They have - a FRESNEL mirror - at one point they were being given out free to left hand drives as they entered the UK

lazyitus

19,926 posts

267 months

Wednesday 6th June 2012
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R0G said:
They have - a FRESNEL mirror - at one point they were being given out free to left hand drives as they entered the UK
Well they either don't work effectively or not everyone is using them. scratchchin

banksey

65 posts

173 months

Wednesday 6th June 2012
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I have Foreign lorries pull out on me all the time at mini-roundabouts... usually when I'm half way round too!

R0G

4,987 posts

156 months

Wednesday 6th June 2012
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banksey said:
I have Foreign lorries pull out on me all the time at mini-roundabouts... usually when I'm half way round too!
FRESNEL mirror would not help that situation

What happens there is that the massive amount of mirrors on the right combined with the screen pillar makes a huge blind spot which hides the approaching car from the driver

Way to avoid that - make sure you can see the face of the lorry driver


banksey

65 posts

173 months

Wednesday 6th June 2012
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R0G said:
banksey said:
I have Foreign lorries pull out on me all the time at mini-roundabouts... usually when I'm half way round too!
FRESNEL mirror would not help that situation

What happens there is that the massive amount of mirrors on the right combined with the screen pillar makes a huge blind spot which hides the approaching car from the driver

Way to avoid that - make sure you can see the face of the lorry driver
Funny thing was I could see his face, but just knew he wasn't going to stop... hence why I was able to stop in time. He then just stopped half way up the road for no reason. Guess he was lost. lol

R0G

4,987 posts

156 months

Wednesday 6th June 2012
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banksey said:
Funny thing was I could see his face, but just knew he wasn't going to stop...
Thats experience which gave you that sixth sense - nicely done

iguana

7,044 posts

261 months

Thursday 7th June 2012
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john2443 said:
if I see 1 in the 1/2 hour I'm on there for 3 junctions, there must be a lot over all the hours/junctions/motorways.
I usually see at least one LHD truck & UK car spanks a day on the hard shoulder, saw 2 just yesterday, most I've seen in a day so far is 5.


GC8

19,910 posts

191 months

Tuesday 12th June 2012
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If the drivers were interested enough then they could adjust their scene view mirror to cover the blind spot.

Further to that, foreign lorries shouldnt be allowed to run here without at least five mirrors, with the same rule applying to RHD lorries abroad.

R0G

4,987 posts

156 months

Tuesday 12th June 2012
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GC8 said:
If the drivers were interested enough then they could adjust their scene view mirror to cover the blind spot.

Further to that, foreign lorries shouldnt be allowed to run here without at least five mirrors, with the same rule applying to RHD lorries abroad.
First point - if you try and do that with th scene view it loses out on other important views

Second point - the more the mirrors the bigger a blind spot they cause

The only solution that does work is a mini cam but the law states that a driver must not be able to see an active screen whislt driving forwards !!!

GC8

19,910 posts

191 months

Tuesday 12th June 2012
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Conversely, I wouldnt dream of driving without my camera turned on.

You cant possibly be suggesting that a rear view mirror and a smaller wide angle mirror on each side is too much, or that it creates a dangerous 'blind spot'? Anyway, we both know that nothing emerges from outer space in these blind spots, and that careful observation is the key.

With regards to the scene view / kerb view mirror: yes using it to view the offside area will mean that it cant be used whilst manoeveuring, but that is easily rectified by getting out of the cab and moving it - hardly a big deal.

R0G

4,987 posts

156 months

Tuesday 12th June 2012
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GC8 said:
With regards to the scene view / kerb view mirror: yes using it to view the offside area will mean that it cant be used whilst manoeveuring, but that is easily rectified by getting out of the cab and moving it - hardly a big deal.
That mirror is used whilst driving

john2443

Original Poster:

6,349 posts

212 months

Tuesday 12th June 2012
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"Look for the DOWN MIRROR in the top middle of the cab door - if you can see that then the driver is on the opposite side as those mirrors are only on the non driver side"

Ahh, that's interesting. I've been looking for down mirrors on my way to work!

I always do make sure I stay behind or get past quickly, but I'm sure lots of people don't take any notice of lorries (or anything else on the road!).

R0G

4,987 posts

156 months

Tuesday 12th June 2012
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john2443 said:
but I'm sure lots of people don't take any notice of lorries (or anything else on the road!).
Until a lorry does something they dont agree with then they remember it forever !!

GTIR

24,741 posts

267 months

Thursday 14th June 2012
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I'd imagine that RHD UK trucks running in Europe have far less accidents percentage wise than the EU trucks running in the UK.
It's just bad driving. Full stop.

If you can't see then don't move until you're sure it's clear.


R0G

4,987 posts

156 months

Thursday 14th June 2012
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GTIR said:
I'd imagine that RHD UK trucks running in Europe have far less accidents percentage wise than the EU trucks running in the UK.
Not sure you can use that as a comparison

There must be more LHDs in relation to the number of RHDs over here than RHDs to LHDs elsewhere