Super lorry too long for UK roads?
Discussion
Ray Luxury-Yacht said:
Getragdogleg said:
Crossflow Kid said:
Xenocide said:
I've got to say, since I played Euro Truck Simulator 2013, i've given trucks more room. You can't see anything inthe mirrors.
(yep, it really exists)
D'you also overtake with less than 3mph closure speed, and then get all defensive to any criticism by citing the very real possibility of the UK economy crash-diving back in to recession just because you don't deliver a truck load of oven chips to Lidl on time?(yep, it really exists)
It's a good game, have a go...
Look, sorry I said 'cock' earlier - probably equally inflammatory I guess.
But look - we've all gotta use the roads and get on together, haven't we? Because there's no simple solution or fix in sight anytime soon.
Commercials play a MASSIVE part in the distribution of all the goods we expect to see in all our shops. I understand that. As a car and bike driver, and general PH'er, I've never driven a lorry, but I can understand how difficult it is mixing with some of our brain-dead MOP's. But we're not ALL like that, and your post tarred us all with the same brush.
FWIW, I can't remember the last time I saw a professional HGV driver do something stupid, careless or dangerous. You guys are, for me, some of the best road users I share tarmac with. In fact I would trade all the cars on the road for HGV's if I could. I'd rather sit happily behind a lorry that's a bit slow, than dice with morons in cars as we all currently have to.
When I'm driving my modified Jeep that runs on 35 inch wheels, I am part of your domain, as it's uncomfortable and vibrate-y at much over 50mph. So it's slow lane for me, lorries overtaking, flashing you dudes back in, and lamp-flashing thanks back...makes me feel a little more professional and part of your world kinda thing!
And I'm a PH-er too, so who else doesn't love a massive HGV, with loadsa big wheels, monstrous suspension and engineering, and a huge turbodiesel engine?
I understand your frustration equally though, must be difficult.
But I'd suggest maybe trying to not react so angrily to the general ignorance you encounter, and maybe just shake your head and laugh pitifully at the t
ts who don't know their arse from their elbow. It's their loss, not yours - you're a pro with the training to back it up. Getting angry and cynical will just raise your own blood pressure. Well, that's what I've found anyway.Keep on truckin
ray, and cotty, it does help with the whole flashing in business, and is appreciated. especially on a dual carriageway/motorway when its peeing down with rain. a good decent flash, (ooo er) is helpful.
people that slate us off for the job we do is not.
i don't mind if its a valid point, (elephant racing and the like) but more often than not we get slagged off by the people that have never been in, or have no concept of how a fully freighted wagon works
normally the same people that pull in front of a wagon loaded at 44 tonne, and then anchor on their brakes so they can exit the motorway with 20 yards to go.
I've found getting involved in road rage is just like argueing on the internet = pointless and counter productive.
Thought of this thread yesterday when watching things 'going on' around me, whilst driving around London. Everything from the artic driver who didn't want to let traffic merge (left one car in a vulnerable and dangerous position) and then couldn't be bothered to signal when pulling out himself? - to the youngster on the scooter who came around my outside on a roundabout with L plates on? And the car driver undertaking clumps of traffic at speed going in on the A13.
Proves there's idiots in/on all types of machinery. I always go by lifes rule of wht goes around comes around. There's only so long before it comes back to bite you.
Does it really take that long just to ease back a bit? plus you find most bikers raise a hand/motorists use their flashers to acknowledge an important part of driving....courtesy and respect.
Thought of this thread yesterday when watching things 'going on' around me, whilst driving around London. Everything from the artic driver who didn't want to let traffic merge (left one car in a vulnerable and dangerous position) and then couldn't be bothered to signal when pulling out himself? - to the youngster on the scooter who came around my outside on a roundabout with L plates on? And the car driver undertaking clumps of traffic at speed going in on the A13.
Proves there's idiots in/on all types of machinery. I always go by lifes rule of wht goes around comes around. There's only so long before it comes back to bite you.
Does it really take that long just to ease back a bit? plus you find most bikers raise a hand/motorists use their flashers to acknowledge an important part of driving....courtesy and respect.
Crossflow Kid said:
They're expecting me to put mine behind theirs?
Get up earlier then, is the answer to that one.If you think other people are going to delay their journeys and risk their employment just for you, you're living in a dream world.
If you're a car driver like me, we are responsible collectively for the most humongous delays and congestion. Complaining about other road users is beyond hypocritical, it's just plain stupid.
heebeegeetee said:
Crossflow Kid said:
They're expecting me to put mine behind theirs?
Get up earlier then, is the answer to that one.If you think other people are going to delay their journeys and risk their employment just for you, you're living in a dream world.
If you're a car driver like me, we are responsible collectively for the most humongous delays and congestion. Complaining about other road users is beyond hypocritical, it's just plain stupid.
I'm a car driver yes, but have everything bar tracked vehicles on my license so please don't even begin to lecture me about not understanding other road users.
You're right though, "we" cause it all.....bikes, cars, coaches.....and HGVs so I don't see why they in particular feel beyond criticism for driving like knobs.
Well quite often when I am towing the big caravan behind me, I am also mixing it with the HGV, in the nicest possible way.
The "Flashing" so they can move back in, is great, I always look forward to the "THANK YOU" - left - right - left indicator flash.
Very unusual not to see it.
Also when I am passing the HGV's, when waiting my turn to pull in, (and let me say that from the front of my tug, to the end of the tin box, is almost 46 feet,) so them kind boy's in the HGV's THANKS for the big welcome indication headlight flash, so I know I am safe to pull in again in-front of you.
You guys pull long lengths every day for a living, you get to know just how long your set-up is.
I tug the tin box around for a couple of months a year.
Thanks for reminding be just how long it is.
vette
oh, and I also give the "THANK YOU" signal when I am back in L1 again.
The "Flashing" so they can move back in, is great, I always look forward to the "THANK YOU" - left - right - left indicator flash.
Very unusual not to see it.
Also when I am passing the HGV's, when waiting my turn to pull in, (and let me say that from the front of my tug, to the end of the tin box, is almost 46 feet,) so them kind boy's in the HGV's THANKS for the big welcome indication headlight flash, so I know I am safe to pull in again in-front of you.
You guys pull long lengths every day for a living, you get to know just how long your set-up is.
I tug the tin box around for a couple of months a year.
Thanks for reminding be just how long it is.
vette
oh, and I also give the "THANK YOU" signal when I am back in L1 again.
chilistrucker said:
a knobs, a knob no matter what they are driving.
just because i'm a wagon driver doesn't make me any better, or give me any more rights on the road, than you, or anybody else.
there are plenty of knobs driving wagons these days, but you probably won't find any of them on pistonheads.
just because i'm a wagon driver doesn't make me any better, or give me any more rights on the road, than you, or anybody else.
there are plenty of knobs driving wagons these days, but you probably won't find any of them on pistonheads.
Reassuring post.
Edited by anonymous-user on Saturday 17th November 12:54
Getragdogleg said:
The interviewed public showing once again how ignorant they are.
I fking hate this country and its anti lorry public opinion that is typified by the fat woman who spoke first on that little clip.
This. It's not hard to allow lorries that extra room and patience when passing and such. Passing them is daunting at times but surely part of being a fairly accomplished car driver isn't sI f
king hate this country and its anti lorry public opinion that is typified by the fat woman who spoke first on that little clip.tting bricks over everything on the roads thats bigger than you.Art0ir said:
Am I the only PHer then to observer that HGV drivers, excluding the odd exception, are normally the most courteous and spatially aware of any group of drivers on the road?
sadly i think your in the minority.most of the people on ph i think would have a better understanding of what we are sometimes up against when we are out in the wagons. its nice when i'm trying to swing out of a side street onto a more main road, and someone on the main road holds back and gives you a flash, so that you can pull out, using as much of the road as poss to make your swing. in the average artic, your trying to watch in front,plus the front off and front nearsides as well as both sides and the rear all in one go. most of the times your fine, but every now and then, normally in the big towns and cities there is always the one knob that will try and creep up your inside.
even with all the nearside mirrors we have, once you start making a left turn, you very quickly lose sight of the rear of the trailer. after a while it becomes 6th sense.
not to say that i don't still balls it up now and then
alot of people, (well ignorant people) think that we use our size to hog the roads to stop them getting past, but more often than not we just use it to stop said ignorant driver bending their vehicle. when i leave smithfield market in london, to get back to the m11, i go via farringdon, mountpleasant, arsenal, 7 sisters etc, this route involves many traffic light junctions. if i stop on a red light, and there are 3 lanes, left turn, straight on, and right turn if i'm making either a left or a right turn, i'll always straddle 2 lanes, as most of the time you need it to make the turn, and avoid taking all the stret furniture with you. plus by straddling i'm preventing said knob jockey doing their thing.
sorry, bit long winded.
as for the snake pass, think i'll pass
Crossflow Kid said:
1.Why on earth would you need to do that?
2.You're right though, "we" cause it all.....bikes, cars, coaches.....and HGVs so I don't see why they in particular feel beyond criticism for driving like knobs.
Not at all. There are over 20 million cars, and possibly not 1 million of everything else. ther 1 million are not the problem they're causing us no more than minutes of delays a year on average. the 20 million+ though are causing horrendous delays every day of the year.2.You're right though, "we" cause it all.....bikes, cars, coaches.....and HGVs so I don't see why they in particular feel beyond criticism for driving like knobs.
And for someone claiming to be experienced, your comment on 3mph says the opposite. 3 mph is a hell of a lot to a trucker.
chilistrucker said:
just because i'm a wagon driver doesn't make me any better, or give me any more rights on the road, than you, or anybody else.
I think that depends on whether you're like CK and the rest, who for some reason expect anyone in front of them to get out of their way. rpguk said:
As far as I can see nothing has changed from 2009 when the same company rolled out the same lorry which was also banned in the UK. ( Story from 2009)
It looks to me like they've just tipexed out the date on the previous press release and sent it out again
This.It looks to me like they've just tipexed out the date on the previous press release and sent it out again
VOSA and Plod stopped him last time. He can only be doing it for publicity this time.
Justin Cyder said:
Getragdogleg said:
I am going to go extra slow for the rest of the day so it winds up as many fking brain dead car drivers as possible.
Ere, you better not have one of my jobs on the back. king brain dead car drivers as possible.
Dick Denby has been banging on about his 2000 foot long drawbar acopalypto-combo for years now. A while back he said he was going to trial it on a night trunk & Vosa turned up with rockets & tanks. The only conclusion I can draw from this particular hobby horse is Denby must be pulling a LOT of bum rag & polystyrene.
Ray Luxury-Yacht said:
Cotty said:
Ray Luxury-Yacht said:
When I'm driving my modified Jeep that runs on 35 inch wheels, I am part of your domain, as it's uncomfortable and vibrate-y at much over 50mph. So it's slow lane for me, lorries overtaking, flashing you dudes back in, and lamp-flashing thanks back...makes me feel a little more professional and part of your world kinda thing!
You do that as well? 
I don't often travel at a speeds where I can flash a passing lorry thats it safe to pull in, but its one of those litle things that, like you say makes you a bit more connected with other road users.
I guess by flashing them in, I'm free-ing up lane 2 a bit quicker for the 'annoyed, frustrated' car drivers waiting behind too?!
Art0ir said:
Am I the only PHer then to observe that HGV drivers, excluding the odd exception, are normally the most courteous and spatially aware of any group of drivers on the road?
they have to be spatially aware comes with the territory. notice the classic damage pattern of cat B vans...that's what comes of lack of spatialawarenessEdited by Art0ir on Saturday 17th November 17:28
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