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chilistrucker said:
other than knowing when to stop. i'd say its a mercy thing.
the wind and rain have never bothered me too much, fog and snow/ice are my big concerns.
steady wind is ok, its the gusts that are the big problem, also depends on what sort of trailer you are pulling, aswell as how heavy you are. the worst i've known, was a few years back, i was tipping in kent with a 15.5 high curtainside trailer on, leaving dover empty and heading back via the m20, it got so bad i was down to 30 mph, at times it honestly felt like the lorry was lifting on the n/side as the gusts were hitting it. i remember that day, as they shut the m25, between j29/30 clockwise, as i think 4/5 lorries had been blown over.
never had anything like it since fortunately.
i am due to go finland in feb, so the snow and cold could be interesting.
Thanks for the reply - it's as I suspected really. I suppose my main question is this: Are these vehicles really fit for purpose if they get blown over by the wind regardless of driver skill?the wind and rain have never bothered me too much, fog and snow/ice are my big concerns.
steady wind is ok, its the gusts that are the big problem, also depends on what sort of trailer you are pulling, aswell as how heavy you are. the worst i've known, was a few years back, i was tipping in kent with a 15.5 high curtainside trailer on, leaving dover empty and heading back via the m20, it got so bad i was down to 30 mph, at times it honestly felt like the lorry was lifting on the n/side as the gusts were hitting it. i remember that day, as they shut the m25, between j29/30 clockwise, as i think 4/5 lorries had been blown over.
never had anything like it since fortunately.
i am due to go finland in feb, so the snow and cold could be interesting.
Surely you would have thought that in this age of 'elf 'n' safety, there would be legislation to deal with what is a legitimate danger to both the drivers who have to drive these things and the general public they have to share the roads with? - I'm sure that if a normal passenger car tipped over so easily, it'd cause an outcry (the famous cases involving the Ford Explorer and Mercedes A-Class weren't as serious but nevertheless were publicity disasters for their manufacturers).
hi clivey, these are only my thoughts on this.
trucks as a rule are pretty stable in most conditions, (well. driver dependent.)
they can take a fair old battering from the elements. i think the problem only arises when we get the extreme winds, and what doesn't help these days, (imo) are the bigger trailers you see on the roads today.
the big players are all about cost, the more you can get on a wagon, the more money there is to be made.
lots of companies use the double deck trailers these days, if your carrying stuff thats low in weight, say loo rolls, your basically getting double the amount of goods on 1 trailer. all be it a trailer that is now approx 16ft tall and running on he small "low ride" wheels you'll see the trailer running on.
its all about cube for maximising earning potential, so as we have taller motorway bridges in the uk, than most of europe, thats why you'll see the double deck trailers on our roads.
the problem is, beings the double deckers are so low to the floor, and also so high compared to most, it just makes them like a giant sail when we get the windy or really bad gusty days.
are they more dangerous.....i honestly don't know from a "statistics" point of view.
i'm guessing though, that asda, tesco, morrisons, eddie stobart, all the car transporter firms, the overnight pallet network companies, etc, would certainly kick up a stink if the double decks were banned, lets face it, they are often getting virtually 2 loads done for the price of 1.
i'm sure they'd all scream and shout if someone tried to ban the double deck trailers, and you know they'd wade straight in with the enviromental issues,
preaching how green and caring they are towards the enviroment,stating loudly that these vehicles are cutting down on the number of lorries on the road, obviously nowt to do with their profits
take caravans, quite a few of these seem to jack knife and flip over in the higher winds, but i can't see them being banned anytime soon
caravans, trucks and trailers, as always a big part of it is down to the driver.
we get this rammed down our throats all the time. "driver responsibility." and its right.
how the vehicle is loaded, and driven when on the road can play a massive part in wether it stays upright or not.
you'd be amazed, even at low speed, with no wind, how easy it is too turn a lorry over.
sorry abit long winded.
trucks as a rule are pretty stable in most conditions, (well. driver dependent.)
they can take a fair old battering from the elements. i think the problem only arises when we get the extreme winds, and what doesn't help these days, (imo) are the bigger trailers you see on the roads today.
the big players are all about cost, the more you can get on a wagon, the more money there is to be made.
lots of companies use the double deck trailers these days, if your carrying stuff thats low in weight, say loo rolls, your basically getting double the amount of goods on 1 trailer. all be it a trailer that is now approx 16ft tall and running on he small "low ride" wheels you'll see the trailer running on.
its all about cube for maximising earning potential, so as we have taller motorway bridges in the uk, than most of europe, thats why you'll see the double deck trailers on our roads.
the problem is, beings the double deckers are so low to the floor, and also so high compared to most, it just makes them like a giant sail when we get the windy or really bad gusty days.
are they more dangerous.....i honestly don't know from a "statistics" point of view.
i'm guessing though, that asda, tesco, morrisons, eddie stobart, all the car transporter firms, the overnight pallet network companies, etc, would certainly kick up a stink if the double decks were banned, lets face it, they are often getting virtually 2 loads done for the price of 1.
i'm sure they'd all scream and shout if someone tried to ban the double deck trailers, and you know they'd wade straight in with the enviromental issues,
preaching how green and caring they are towards the enviroment,stating loudly that these vehicles are cutting down on the number of lorries on the road, obviously nowt to do with their profits
take caravans, quite a few of these seem to jack knife and flip over in the higher winds, but i can't see them being banned anytime soon
caravans, trucks and trailers, as always a big part of it is down to the driver.
we get this rammed down our throats all the time. "driver responsibility." and its right.
how the vehicle is loaded, and driven when on the road can play a massive part in wether it stays upright or not.
you'd be amazed, even at low speed, with no wind, how easy it is too turn a lorry over.
sorry abit long winded.
I heard a story from an artic driver who said he pulled along side an empty trailer that was being blown about as in the vid. He was pulling a full load of bags of plaster and helped keep the empty trailer upright for a good few miles before he had to turn off the motorway
Edited by Squiggs on Saturday 29th December 11:40
chilistrucker said:
hi clivey, these are only my thoughts on this.
trucks as a rule are pretty stable in most conditions, (well. driver dependent.)
they can take a fair old battering from the elements. i think the problem only arises when we get the extreme winds, and what doesn't help these days, (imo) are the bigger trailers you see on the roads today.
the big players are all about cost, the more you can get on a wagon, the more money there is to be made.
lots of companies use the double deck trailers these days, if your carrying stuff thats low in weight, say loo rolls, your basically getting double the amount of goods on 1 trailer. all be it a trailer that is now approx 16ft tall and running on he small "low ride" wheels you'll see the trailer running on.
its all about cube for maximising earning potential, so as we have taller motorway bridges in the uk, than most of europe, thats why you'll see the double deck trailers on our roads.
the problem is, beings the double deckers are so low to the floor, and also so high compared to most, it just makes them like a giant sail when we get the windy or really bad gusty days.
are they more dangerous.....i honestly don't know from a "statistics" point of view.
i'm guessing though, that asda, tesco, morrisons, eddie stobart, all the car transporter firms, the overnight pallet network companies, etc, would certainly kick up a stink if the double decks were banned, lets face it, they are often getting virtually 2 loads done for the price of 1.
i'm sure they'd all scream and shout if someone tried to ban the double deck trailers, and you know they'd wade straight in with the enviromental issues,
preaching how green and caring they are towards the enviroment,stating loudly that these vehicles are cutting down on the number of lorries on the road, obviously nowt to do with their profits
take caravans, quite a few of these seem to jack knife and flip over in the higher winds, but i can't see them being banned anytime soon
caravans, trucks and trailers, as always a big part of it is down to the driver.
we get this rammed down our throats all the time. "driver responsibility." and its right.
how the vehicle is loaded, and driven when on the road can play a massive part in wether it stays upright or not.
you'd be amazed, even at low speed, with no wind, how easy it is too turn a lorry over.
sorry abit long winded.
Yes; again it's as I thought really...the thing is: If you were to take responsibility as a driver and tell your boss "I'm going to have to stop because driving in these conditions is too dangerous", I can't image they'd be best pleased and I can't imagine you'd have a job for too long.trucks as a rule are pretty stable in most conditions, (well. driver dependent.)
they can take a fair old battering from the elements. i think the problem only arises when we get the extreme winds, and what doesn't help these days, (imo) are the bigger trailers you see on the roads today.
the big players are all about cost, the more you can get on a wagon, the more money there is to be made.
lots of companies use the double deck trailers these days, if your carrying stuff thats low in weight, say loo rolls, your basically getting double the amount of goods on 1 trailer. all be it a trailer that is now approx 16ft tall and running on he small "low ride" wheels you'll see the trailer running on.
its all about cube for maximising earning potential, so as we have taller motorway bridges in the uk, than most of europe, thats why you'll see the double deck trailers on our roads.
the problem is, beings the double deckers are so low to the floor, and also so high compared to most, it just makes them like a giant sail when we get the windy or really bad gusty days.
are they more dangerous.....i honestly don't know from a "statistics" point of view.
i'm guessing though, that asda, tesco, morrisons, eddie stobart, all the car transporter firms, the overnight pallet network companies, etc, would certainly kick up a stink if the double decks were banned, lets face it, they are often getting virtually 2 loads done for the price of 1.
i'm sure they'd all scream and shout if someone tried to ban the double deck trailers, and you know they'd wade straight in with the enviromental issues,
preaching how green and caring they are towards the enviroment,stating loudly that these vehicles are cutting down on the number of lorries on the road, obviously nowt to do with their profits
take caravans, quite a few of these seem to jack knife and flip over in the higher winds, but i can't see them being banned anytime soon
caravans, trucks and trailers, as always a big part of it is down to the driver.
we get this rammed down our throats all the time. "driver responsibility." and its right.
how the vehicle is loaded, and driven when on the road can play a massive part in wether it stays upright or not.
you'd be amazed, even at low speed, with no wind, how easy it is too turn a lorry over.
sorry abit long winded.
Clivey said:
chilistrucker said:
hi clivey, these are only my thoughts on this.
trucks as a rule are pretty stable in most conditions, (well. driver dependent.)
they can take a fair old battering from the elements. i think the problem only arises when we get the extreme winds, and what doesn't help these days, (imo) are the bigger trailers you see on the roads today.
the big players are all about cost, the more you can get on a wagon, the more money there is to be made.
lots of companies use the double deck trailers these days, if your carrying stuff thats low in weight, say loo rolls, your basically getting double the amount of goods on 1 trailer. all be it a trailer that is now approx 16ft tall and running on he small "low ride" wheels you'll see the trailer running on.
its all about cube for maximising earning potential, so as we have taller motorway bridges in the uk, than most of europe, thats why you'll see the double deck trailers on our roads.
the problem is, beings the double deckers are so low to the floor, and also so high compared to most, it just makes them like a giant sail when we get the windy or really bad gusty days.
are they more dangerous.....i honestly don't know from a "statistics" point of view.
i'm guessing though, that asda, tesco, morrisons, eddie stobart, all the car transporter firms, the overnight pallet network companies, etc, would certainly kick up a stink if the double decks were banned, lets face it, they are often getting virtually 2 loads done for the price of 1.
i'm sure they'd all scream and shout if someone tried to ban the double deck trailers, and you know they'd wade straight in with the enviromental issues,
preaching how green and caring they are towards the enviroment,stating loudly that these vehicles are cutting down on the number of lorries on the road, obviously nowt to do with their profits
take caravans, quite a few of these seem to jack knife and flip over in the higher winds, but i can't see them being banned anytime soon
caravans, trucks and trailers, as always a big part of it is down to the driver.
we get this rammed down our throats all the time. "driver responsibility." and its right.
how the vehicle is loaded, and driven when on the road can play a massive part in wether it stays upright or not.
you'd be amazed, even at low speed, with no wind, how easy it is too turn a lorry over.
sorry abit long winded.
Yes; again it's as I thought really...the thing is: If you were to take responsibility as a driver and tell your boss "I'm going to have to stop because driving in these conditions is too dangerous", I can't image they'd be best pleased and I can't imagine you'd have a job for too long.trucks as a rule are pretty stable in most conditions, (well. driver dependent.)
they can take a fair old battering from the elements. i think the problem only arises when we get the extreme winds, and what doesn't help these days, (imo) are the bigger trailers you see on the roads today.
the big players are all about cost, the more you can get on a wagon, the more money there is to be made.
lots of companies use the double deck trailers these days, if your carrying stuff thats low in weight, say loo rolls, your basically getting double the amount of goods on 1 trailer. all be it a trailer that is now approx 16ft tall and running on he small "low ride" wheels you'll see the trailer running on.
its all about cube for maximising earning potential, so as we have taller motorway bridges in the uk, than most of europe, thats why you'll see the double deck trailers on our roads.
the problem is, beings the double deckers are so low to the floor, and also so high compared to most, it just makes them like a giant sail when we get the windy or really bad gusty days.
are they more dangerous.....i honestly don't know from a "statistics" point of view.
i'm guessing though, that asda, tesco, morrisons, eddie stobart, all the car transporter firms, the overnight pallet network companies, etc, would certainly kick up a stink if the double decks were banned, lets face it, they are often getting virtually 2 loads done for the price of 1.
i'm sure they'd all scream and shout if someone tried to ban the double deck trailers, and you know they'd wade straight in with the enviromental issues,
preaching how green and caring they are towards the enviroment,stating loudly that these vehicles are cutting down on the number of lorries on the road, obviously nowt to do with their profits
take caravans, quite a few of these seem to jack knife and flip over in the higher winds, but i can't see them being banned anytime soon
caravans, trucks and trailers, as always a big part of it is down to the driver.
we get this rammed down our throats all the time. "driver responsibility." and its right.
how the vehicle is loaded, and driven when on the road can play a massive part in wether it stays upright or not.
you'd be amazed, even at low speed, with no wind, how easy it is too turn a lorry over.
sorry abit long winded.
the world we live in eh
damned if you do, damned if you don't.
if it got really bad, regardless of who i work for, i'd just stop.
i'd rather get the load and myself to where i'm going 2 hours late, than never get there at all.
some of my mates are in madrid at the mo on a tour, there next stop is kazan, i think its about 800kms east of moscow
should be a nice drive in january
if it got really bad, regardless of who i work for, i'd just stop.
i'd rather get the load and myself to where i'm going 2 hours late, than never get there at all.
some of my mates are in madrid at the mo on a tour, there next stop is kazan, i think its about 800kms east of moscow
should be a nice drive in january
chilistrucker said:
some of my mates are in madrid at the mo on a tour, there next stop is kazan, i think its about 800kms east of moscow
should be a nice drive in january
Now that's a road trip..... 5000km if you go through Poland and Belarus.... would love to do a trip like that one day, though not sure Id want to do it in January!should be a nice drive in january
i'm not sure of the route del, but i can find out. they are on the cirque du soleil tour, i think its 35 artics we have on it. i was due to do the tour, but family stuff forced me to stay home, i was gutted at the time, now i just taunt my friends with regards this upcoming drive
they were all gloating about madrid for christmas, i hope they practiced their chaining up techniques whilst there
they were all gloating about madrid for christmas, i hope they practiced their chaining up techniques whilst there
chilistrucker said:
i'm not sure of the route del, but i can find out. they are on the cirque du soleil tour, i think its 35 artics we have on it. i was due to do the tour, but family stuff forced me to stay home, i was gutted at the time, now i just taunt my friends with regards this upcoming drive
they were all gloating about madrid for christmas, i hope they practiced their chaining up techniques whilst there
That's the Michael Jackson Cirque tour then... Kazan, Moscow, Budapest, Prague.... all the hotspots to be hitting in the middle of winter lol, you run the same crews for the entire tour or change via plane part-way?they were all gloating about madrid for christmas, i hope they practiced their chaining up techniques whilst there
thats the one, and yes some choice places for the time of year
crew wise, the carps, lighting, sound, video crews will normally do the whole tour, where ever it goes in the world, they normally stay for the duration of the tour.
truck and bus driver wise, the european legs are normally done by a certain few companies, and again the drivers will stay on for the whole of the euro leg of the tour.
it varies from job, to job, shortest i've done is 10 days, the longest was a year
off again in feb, 1st stop turku, finland.
crew wise, the carps, lighting, sound, video crews will normally do the whole tour, where ever it goes in the world, they normally stay for the duration of the tour.
truck and bus driver wise, the european legs are normally done by a certain few companies, and again the drivers will stay on for the whole of the euro leg of the tour.
it varies from job, to job, shortest i've done is 10 days, the longest was a year
off again in feb, 1st stop turku, finland.
chilistrucker said:
off again in feb, 1st stop turku, finland.
Great place, spent a couple of days there a few years ago, loved Turku (drove there from Jyvaskyla) though there's far too many speed cameras around. The central square is lovely to walk around if you get the time.As far as being away for a year goes, that's a different level of commitment to anything I ever did, 18 weeks I think is my longest, though I am only in the UK for a week on each return trip, so I'm basically abroad most of the year, albeit not driving (sadly)
K50 DEL said:
Great place, spent a couple of days there a few years ago, loved Turku (drove there from Jyvaskyla) though there's far too many speed cameras around. The central square is lovely to walk around if you get the time.
As far as being away for a year goes, that's a different level of commitment to anything I ever did, 18 weeks I think is my longest, though I am only in the UK for a week on each return trip, so I'm basically abroad most of the year, albeit not driving (sadly)
what do you do then del?As far as being away for a year goes, that's a different level of commitment to anything I ever did, 18 weeks I think is my longest, though I am only in the UK for a week on each return trip, so I'm basically abroad most of the year, albeit not driving (sadly)
yep its a fair commitment, but i had kids early, and they are all grown up now, so its my turn too do what i want, if you have to work, may aswell try and make it doing something you enjoy
i still like wagons and driving them, travel and music, so this job is probably about as good as its going to get
it will be my 1st time in turku, done helsinki a few times, but always in spring/summer, so could be an eye opener with the snow on the roads in feb. need to practice my own chaining up skills.
i'll have a nose round turku then, as it looks like most cities we go to on this tour, we will be staying in each for 3 or 4 days at a time
Edited by chilistrucker on Sunday 30th December 11:43
I'm the IT Manager for an International oil and gas company, based in Dubai but we have projects in various parts of the globe that I oversee.
Nowadays, although I maintain a house in the UK I've actually lived in Dubai for the last 2 years, prior to that I was rotating out of Luanda in Angola, though with no back to back to replace me my time off was limited.
Trucking wise, I drove a 7.5t Iveco for a couple of years for a small outfit in SW England, driving all over the UK, never got to go abroad for work though, all my Euro driving has been for pleasure.
If I had my time over again / had been around before the Eastern Europeans killed the rates I'd have loved to have done it properly... Ashley's stories of the early days of Astran and the other overland books are an incredible read..... I was in Iraq a few weeks ago and nearly crashed the car with excitement when I saw a Brit registered truck coming the other way!
Sad I know, but I think Wanderlust is in my genes!
Nowadays, although I maintain a house in the UK I've actually lived in Dubai for the last 2 years, prior to that I was rotating out of Luanda in Angola, though with no back to back to replace me my time off was limited.
Trucking wise, I drove a 7.5t Iveco for a couple of years for a small outfit in SW England, driving all over the UK, never got to go abroad for work though, all my Euro driving has been for pleasure.
If I had my time over again / had been around before the Eastern Europeans killed the rates I'd have loved to have done it properly... Ashley's stories of the early days of Astran and the other overland books are an incredible read..... I was in Iraq a few weeks ago and nearly crashed the car with excitement when I saw a Brit registered truck coming the other way!
Sad I know, but I think Wanderlust is in my genes!
well I.T manager is abit of a change from the sw in a 7 and a half
i feel your pain, all that sun in dubai, must be a b
h
i havn't read any of ashs books, i must make a note to get them, make for good reading on a tour.
1 of the lads who i did the year long dinosaurs tour with, was doing the m.e runs in the 70's, he had a book published a little while back, "its not all sunshine and sand." by Paul Rowlands. a top fella, with some great stories.
yeah, the easties have made a huge difference to european haulage. i did my first trip to spain, about 94, all the spaniards were running around in pegasos, then the e.u money arrived, and they had a good few years of top spec scanias, volvos and the like, but now their in dire straits, its not uncommon to see spanish trucks looking alot older and worn again.
with general haulage when i started doing spain, you'd see lots of uk/and spanish trucks bouncing up and down between the uk and spain, not anymore, uk registered trucks doing general, are alot harder to spot on the roads of europe these days. sign of the times eh.
its all polish, czech, bulgarian, romanian and the like these days.
your right, wanderlust does get in your genes mate, i was out in the lorries when i was 11, school holidays etc, i always knew what i'd end up doing, and tbh don't regret it at all. been payed to travel all of europe, scandinavia, and the odd trip into russia, still a few to tick of the list though. looking forward to turkey in spring/summer, not been that way in a truck yet.
if your in oil and gas, is the work finding its way more and more into russia and the baltics?
i feel your pain, all that sun in dubai, must be a b
h i havn't read any of ashs books, i must make a note to get them, make for good reading on a tour.
1 of the lads who i did the year long dinosaurs tour with, was doing the m.e runs in the 70's, he had a book published a little while back, "its not all sunshine and sand." by Paul Rowlands. a top fella, with some great stories.
yeah, the easties have made a huge difference to european haulage. i did my first trip to spain, about 94, all the spaniards were running around in pegasos, then the e.u money arrived, and they had a good few years of top spec scanias, volvos and the like, but now their in dire straits, its not uncommon to see spanish trucks looking alot older and worn again.
with general haulage when i started doing spain, you'd see lots of uk/and spanish trucks bouncing up and down between the uk and spain, not anymore, uk registered trucks doing general, are alot harder to spot on the roads of europe these days. sign of the times eh.
its all polish, czech, bulgarian, romanian and the like these days.
your right, wanderlust does get in your genes mate, i was out in the lorries when i was 11, school holidays etc, i always knew what i'd end up doing, and tbh don't regret it at all. been payed to travel all of europe, scandinavia, and the odd trip into russia, still a few to tick of the list though. looking forward to turkey in spring/summer, not been that way in a truck yet.
if your in oil and gas, is the work finding its way more and more into russia and the baltics?
Edited by chilistrucker on Sunday 30th December 14:30
chilistrucker said:
well I.T manager is abit of a change from the sw in a 7 and a half
i feel your pain, all that sun in dubai, must be a bh
i havn't read any of ashs books, i must make a note to get them, make for good reading on a tour.
1 of the lads who i did the year long dinosaurs tour with, was doing the m.e runs in the 70's, he had a book published a little while back, "its not all sunshine and sand." by Paul Rowlands. a top fella, with some great stories.
yeah, the easties have made a huge difference to european haulage. i did my first trip to spain, about 94, all the spaniards were running around in pegasos, then the e.u money arrived, and they had a good few years of top spec scanias, volvos and the like, but now their in dire straits, its not uncommon to see spanish trucks looking alot older and worn again.
with general haulage when i started doing spain, you'd see lots of uk/and spanish trucks bouncing up and down between the uk and spain, not anymore, uk registered trucks doing general, are alot harder to spot on the roads of europe these days. sign of the times eh.
its all polish, czech, bulgarian, romanian and the like these days.
your right, wanderlust does get in your genes mate, i was out in the lorries when i was 11, school holidays etc, i always knew what i'd end up doing, and tbh don't regret it at all. been payed to travel all of europe, scandinavia, and the odd trip into russia, still a few to tick of the list though. looking forward to turkey in spring/summer, not been that way in a truck yet.
if your in oil and gas, is the work finding its way more and more into russia and the baltics?
I'm familiar with Paul's book, it's been on my list of ones to get for a while now, I got a couple of new overlanding tomes from family at Christmas but sadly not his!i feel your pain, all that sun in dubai, must be a b
h i havn't read any of ashs books, i must make a note to get them, make for good reading on a tour.
1 of the lads who i did the year long dinosaurs tour with, was doing the m.e runs in the 70's, he had a book published a little while back, "its not all sunshine and sand." by Paul Rowlands. a top fella, with some great stories.
yeah, the easties have made a huge difference to european haulage. i did my first trip to spain, about 94, all the spaniards were running around in pegasos, then the e.u money arrived, and they had a good few years of top spec scanias, volvos and the like, but now their in dire straits, its not uncommon to see spanish trucks looking alot older and worn again.
with general haulage when i started doing spain, you'd see lots of uk/and spanish trucks bouncing up and down between the uk and spain, not anymore, uk registered trucks doing general, are alot harder to spot on the roads of europe these days. sign of the times eh.
its all polish, czech, bulgarian, romanian and the like these days.
your right, wanderlust does get in your genes mate, i was out in the lorries when i was 11, school holidays etc, i always knew what i'd end up doing, and tbh don't regret it at all. been payed to travel all of europe, scandinavia, and the odd trip into russia, still a few to tick of the list though. looking forward to turkey in spring/summer, not been that way in a truck yet.
if your in oil and gas, is the work finding its way more and more into russia and the baltics?
Edited by chilistrucker on Sunday 30th December 14:30
Turkey's interesting I think, all of our gear for Iraq projects comes in by road through Turkey, Turkish drivers tend to be a little nutty, but they have generally good equipment, albeit a little old.
You had the lust a little before me then, I think mine started when I did my work experience with a Wincanton chilled driver aged 15.
We're not generally active in the Baltics, preferring Africa and points south, never say never though!
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