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WHAT A STUPID UNSAFE 7.5 TONNER DRIVER WHO OBVIOUSLY HAS NO IDEA OF HOW TO USE ROAD SPACE PROPERLY AND HAS APPOINTED THEMSELVES AS 'ROAD POLICE'
If those that put the cones out did not want drivers to use a piece of road space than they would have coned it off
In fast moving traffic get in lane early
In slow moving traffic use all available road space
Its so simple
If those that put the cones out did not want drivers to use a piece of road space than they would have coned it off
In fast moving traffic get in lane early
In slow moving traffic use all available road space
Its so simple
Merge in turn causes no end of arguments on here! The reality is merge in turn works well as long as the traffic is flowing freely and the lanes that are left can handle the traffic through them. If they cant then the traffic through the lanes left will start to slow and queue. Those coming from behind will generally carry on merging in turn but of course the merge in turn point is continually moving up the carriageway, leaving one lane clear, until you get to the point where someone like the OP decides to go down the empty lane and create a new merge in turn point at the front of the queue. This then annoys those who have been merging in turn already.
I doubt that moving the merge in point back to the front of queue actually speeds up the average speed through the restriction but it does mean that the queue uses less of the road.
The non-selfish solution to this issue is to stay in the clear lane at your merge in turn point so that by the time you get to the restriction both lanes will be full of traffic and the merge in turn point is now back where it should be.
I doubt that moving the merge in point back to the front of queue actually speeds up the average speed through the restriction but it does mean that the queue uses less of the road.
The non-selfish solution to this issue is to stay in the clear lane at your merge in turn point so that by the time you get to the restriction both lanes will be full of traffic and the merge in turn point is now back where it should be.
Edited by Chrisgr31 on Tuesday 27th November 23:31
R0G said:
WHAT A STUPID UNSAFE 7.5 TONNER DRIVER WHO OBVIOUSLY HAS NO IDEA OF HOW TO USE ROAD SPACE PROPERLY AND HAS APPOINTED THEMSELVES AS 'ROAD POLICE'
If those that put the cones out did not want drivers to use a piece of road space than they would have coned it off
In fast moving traffic get in lane early
In slow moving traffic use all available road space
Its so simple
Not realy so simple esp on the motorway, when there is a closure and the overhead signs are saying which lane/s are closed most people get into the open lanes early and wait why is it ok for some people to fly down to the obstrution and force in the last few yards slowing the other trafic????? If those that put the cones out did not want drivers to use a piece of road space than they would have coned it off
In fast moving traffic get in lane early
In slow moving traffic use all available road space
Its so simple
powerstroke said:
Not realy so simple esp on the motorway, when there is a closure and the overhead signs are saying which lane/s are closed most people get into the open lanes early and wait why is it ok for some people to fly down to the obstrution and force in the last few yards slowing the other trafic?????
Blasting past and forcing in is not ok and in many cases the driver can be prosecutedDrivers can also be prosecuted for deliberate lane blocking
pjdow said:
Full marks to the truck driver for making a stand against arrogant idiots who have no manners in queues.
And with a single sentence you've marked yourself out as a moron.Happened across this thread too, full of people too dense to understand the highway code Why do we let bad drivers push in? (moaning thread)
"For the first time, the Highway Code has a rule on “merging in turn” under the section on lane discipline (Rule 134; Highway Code 2007).
“We are pleased to see this as we believe it will ease many pinchpoints at roadworks,” said IAM Chief Examiner Peter Rodger.
“Too often we see a long, empty lane leading up to roadworks, doing nothing, because drivers have been told to get in lane too early. Then there is a tension with people perceived as ‘pushing in’. The new recommendation to merge in turn in the Highway Code will encourage drivers to use all the available lanes – right up to the lane closure – and could make roadworks less of a problem,” he said."
Source
powerstroke said:
Not realy so simple esp on the motorway, when there is a closure and the overhead signs are saying which lane/s are closed most people get into the open lanes early and wait why is it ok for some people to fly down to the obstrution and force in the last few yards slowing the other trafic?????
I've highlighted the relevant bit for you. All you are doing by not using ALL available lanes right up to the closure is making the queue even longer and backing things up when there is no need.As for the flying past point, as I think I mentioned I was doing about 25mph in case some f
kwit decided to try and block my perfectly legal move, and guess what? I found that fkwit. 
R0G said:
WHAT A STUPID UNSAFE 7.5 TONNER DRIVER WHO OBVIOUSLY HAS NO IDEA OF HOW TO USE ROAD SPACE PROPERLY AND HAS APPOINTED THEMSELVES AS 'ROAD POLICE'
If those that put the cones out did not want drivers to use a piece of road space than they would have coned it off
In fast moving traffic get in lane early
In slow moving traffic use all available road space
Its so simple
Umm, hypocrisy alert!!!??If those that put the cones out did not want drivers to use a piece of road space than they would have coned it off
In fast moving traffic get in lane early
In slow moving traffic use all available road space
Its so simple
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R0G said:
I can tell you all this - the trailer hire company who hired out that trailer are not impressed !!
I said:
I enquired via private message on trucknet and he responded with some cock and bull story about how he thinks the owner may be "an old mate of mine" and it was his duty to grass him up because he's breaking the law. Apparently the owner was "not pleased to see his companies name and number on a trailer in an illegal place".
OP, please tell us you recorded the Registration number of the vehicle and reported this to the police for consideration of an offence.
I would say (as a member of the public) that by the sounds of it the lorry drove in a manner which was fell far below the standard for a careful and competent driver.
If you got the registration number then I would hope that the Lorry driver will be sent a request for driver details at the time of the alleged incident and the case will be reviewed by the CPS for driving without due care and attention.
Even if it never goes to court it will make the driver think twice about doing it in the future.
If he had caused an actual colliosion then he wouldnt have a hope of defending his actions.
I would say (as a member of the public) that by the sounds of it the lorry drove in a manner which was fell far below the standard for a careful and competent driver.
If you got the registration number then I would hope that the Lorry driver will be sent a request for driver details at the time of the alleged incident and the case will be reviewed by the CPS for driving without due care and attention.
Even if it never goes to court it will make the driver think twice about doing it in the future.
If he had caused an actual colliosion then he wouldnt have a hope of defending his actions.
R0G said:
If the traffic is backed up then why make a two mile queue using one lane when it could be a one mile queue using two lanes ?
It makes no difference how long the queue is, the length of time taken to get though it will be exactly the same (assuming people either merge in turn at the end of the 2 mile queue or front of the 1 mile one.Chrisgr31 said:
R0G said:
If the traffic is backed up then why make a two mile queue using one lane when it could be a one mile queue using two lanes ?
It makes no difference how long the queue is, the length of time taken to get though it will be exactly the same (assuming people either merge in turn at the end of the 2 mile queue or front of the 1 mile one.Thats why they lay the roads out like this - to keep traffic in surrounding areas moving and un-affected.
Arrogant selfish retards who lane block effectively cause congestion for others - just because they are in congestion.
I hope none of their family are affected by the ambulance/police/fire and rescue vehicle that cant get to its destination in time due to the additional congestion caused by their selfish idiotic actions.
In my mind lane blocking should be an offence dealt with by angry lynch mob and pitchforks.
hman said:
The reduction in length of the queue reduces the congestion for other roads and junctions in its vicinty.
Thats why they lay the roads out like this - to keep traffic in surrounding areas moving and un-affected.
Exactly this^.Thats why they lay the roads out like this - to keep traffic in surrounding areas moving and un-affected.
I did happen to get the registration after circling a roundabout so I could see it. The police I assumed wouldn't care less as I have no witnesses, although I did pass at least one if not two panda cars that joined the end of the queue!
Which is why I thought twice about the move but figured as it was perfectly legal and sensible I went ahead.We have done this one before, I think the conclusion (if you can call it that) was that the ideal situation would be that all available lanes were used right up to the merge point and then everyone would neatly "zip" merge one at a time.
The reality is that those who read the road and "got in lane" when told are now in a queue while others come past and force their way in to the head of the queue in no particular order and certainly not in turn, this makes the queue of early order adopters stop and start, this sets up a wave that amplifies and eventually its a traffic jam.
When I have noted trucks holding back a lane I find it amazing how fast the queue in front gets moving and stays moving once the last of the dash down the closing lane brigade have been let in, Once the truck is through and the chaos starts up then it is soon back to stop start for both lanes.
In short, the general public cannot zip merge, get over it.
The reality is that those who read the road and "got in lane" when told are now in a queue while others come past and force their way in to the head of the queue in no particular order and certainly not in turn, this makes the queue of early order adopters stop and start, this sets up a wave that amplifies and eventually its a traffic jam.
When I have noted trucks holding back a lane I find it amazing how fast the queue in front gets moving and stays moving once the last of the dash down the closing lane brigade have been let in, Once the truck is through and the chaos starts up then it is soon back to stop start for both lanes.
In short, the general public cannot zip merge, get over it.
hman said:
The reduction in length of the queue reduces the congestion for other roads and junctions in its vicinty.
Thats why they lay the roads out like this - to keep traffic in surrounding areas moving and un-affected.
Arrogant selfish retards who lane block effectively cause congestion for others - just because they are in congestion.
I hope none of their family are affected by the ambulance/police/fire and rescue vehicle that cant get to its destination in time due to the additional congestion caused by their selfish idiotic actions.
In my mind lane blocking should be an offence dealt with by angry lynch mob and pitchforks.
Your theory assumes that the congestion expands to other roads, however if it doesnt then there is no problem. Indeed having one lane clear will in fact speed access for the emergency services!Thats why they lay the roads out like this - to keep traffic in surrounding areas moving and un-affected.
Arrogant selfish retards who lane block effectively cause congestion for others - just because they are in congestion.
I hope none of their family are affected by the ambulance/police/fire and rescue vehicle that cant get to its destination in time due to the additional congestion caused by their selfish idiotic actions.
In my mind lane blocking should be an offence dealt with by angry lynch mob and pitchforks.
Incidentially not saying that one lane should be left clear, but just that merge in turn only works properly where traffic flow means a traffic am will not build up
Getragdogleg said:
We have done this one before, I think the conclusion (if you can call it that) was that the ideal situation would be that all available lanes were used right up to the merge point and then everyone would neatly "zip" merge one at a time.
Quite right, I had high hopes for the rest of your post, but then...Getragdogleg said:
The reality is that those who read the road and "got in lane" when told are now in a queue while others come past and force their way in to the head of the queue in no particular order and certainly not in turn, this makes the queue of early order adopters stop and start, this sets up a wave that amplifies and eventually its a traffic jam.
The signs tell them to "get in lane" at a certain distance ahead, not RIGHT NOW. Correct road reading indeed. It's also slightly hysterical to refer to people "forcing their way in" at the end of L2. Some do, most don't - the need to force their way in is probably quite explicable in Newtonian terms - i.e. the force is required because of the force of lane blockers in Lane 1 not merging properly.
Getragdogleg said:
When I have noted trucks holding back a lane I find it amazing how fast the queue in front gets moving and stays moving once the last of the dash down the closing lane brigade have been let in, Once the truck is through and the chaos starts up then it is soon back to stop start for both lanes.
You aren't - I trust - being 100% serious here? All the road captain lorries do is move the congestion backwards, not wave a 44 ton wand and make it vanish. People who merge early just need to get used to the fact that people in L2 have a perfect right to be there until the authorities who laid the cones/paint out meant them to merge, and stop being so passive aggressive.
Johnnytheboy said:
Getragdogleg said:
We have done this one before, I think the conclusion (if you can call it that) was that the ideal situation would be that all available lanes were used right up to the merge point and then everyone would neatly "zip" merge one at a time.
Quite right, I had high hopes for the rest of your post, but then...Getragdogleg said:
The reality is that those who read the road and "got in lane" when told are now in a queue while others come past and force their way in to the head of the queue in no particular order and certainly not in turn, this makes the queue of early order adopters stop and start, this sets up a wave that amplifies and eventually its a traffic jam.
The signs tell them to "get in lane" at a certain distance ahead, not RIGHT NOW. Correct road reading indeed. It's also slightly hysterical to refer to people "forcing their way in" at the end of L2. Some do, most don't - the need to force their way in is probably quite explicable in Newtonian terms - i.e. the force is required because of the force of lane blockers in Lane 1 not merging properly.
Getragdogleg said:
When I have noted trucks holding back a lane I find it amazing how fast the queue in front gets moving and stays moving once the last of the dash down the closing lane brigade have been let in, Once the truck is through and the chaos starts up then it is soon back to stop start for both lanes.
You aren't - I trust - being 100% serious here? All the road captain lorries do is move the congestion backwards, not wave a 44 ton wand and make it vanish. People who merge early just need to get used to the fact that people in L2 have a perfect right to be there until the authorities who laid the cones/paint out meant them to merge, and stop being so passive aggressive.
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