Take that Trucker

[Finlandia]

surveyor said:

What has making a drop on time got to do with the subject? Your either overtaking someone, or in the case of the lorry that started the thread, blocking lane 2 and not overtaking....

Time, and time = money. On a 1,000 mile journey every mph counts and every ease off the throttle adds up, there are strict tacho rules to obey as well as slotted drop times to make. Some truckers feel the need to, or are hounded by their employers to make drop times instead of always driving safely and politely.

[anonymous-user]

XDA said:

Yes, all very relevant.

But the issue is that truck drivers here claim that there is no bad driving from trucks, only cars.

Where did I claim that?
I said the opposite in my first post on this very topic, but then you would have ignored that one as it didn't suit your rather obvious agenda.
Reading your previous wonderful posts on other trucking and HGV topics in recent months has been thrilling, you have done nothing other then make sweeping insults to an entire industry that you clearly have no idea about.
These have ranged from making up how much we get paid per hour (£6-9 per hour!!, my salary,yes salary,being way way over that and that of the national average) in order to try to make yourself look somehow superior, to suggesting we can't write properly and are therefore un-educated( I have a 11 GCSE's, 4 A-Levels and a degree in Architecture) also that our job is not skilled when it is sort after around the world, often scoring highly in points sytems when looking to move to another country, and the British license is seen as a benchmark of quality.
I actually bothered to post on this topic due the honesty of the OP and the reasonable response thereafter, than sadly you had to come out from under your bridge and infect things as I predicted in my apparently angry post about you, no anger at all that anyone else mentioned, just you as a pathetic response to being challenged on your actions. It's nice to be proved right, you have done nothing but try to bait people and talk nothing but rubbish, also nice to see your ridiculous statements being challenged.
I don't believe for one minute that you have witnessed all that you have, things just seem to happen in your world just when you need another reason to find another reaction on this forum.
I think I will take Chilli's example and leave it to others to reply to your crap. I strongly recommend everyone reads this mans previous posts on other truck topics via his profile so you get to see what utter horse st he comes up with, you will then see he has no idea at all about this industry or the the job itself.
Sorry to the OP again that he and others get caught up in the bad driving from some HGV drivers but as I said earlier,poor car driving only gets in your way for a few seconds, idiots in HGV's tend to last a bit longer so are understandably much more annoying, some of us are professional.................

[anonymous-user]

NorfolkInClue1 said:

...poor car driving only gets in your way for a few seconds, idiots in HGV's tend to last a bit longer so are understandably much more annoying, some of us are professional.................

No axe to grind here but out of the whole thread, that's probably the sentence that's made the most sense to me. Idiots on all sides, but car driving idiots are quicker to escape.

Considering HGV's run at around 20% of the A-road traffic around here, even if 1% of car drivers AND/OR truck drivers are planks, then that's going to have a fair impact.

Been an interesting read, between the spats.

[heebeegeetee]

Super Slo Mo said:

he problem with that is, I can't remember the last incident I saw where a truck was at fault, or partially to blame, and definitely have not experienced anything involving myself in a very long time.

I do, on the other hand, see car drivers doing stupid things that end up involving other motorists (and trucks), but again, it's rare for me to get involved with someone, simply because I see it coming and make sure I'm well out of the way (if possible, obviously).

I don't quite drive as many miles as you, not at the moment anyway, but I'm still significantly above the average, all over the UK, at all hours of the day and night.

Trucks are predictable, to me it's blindingly obvious what they're going to do, so as a car driver I give them the room to do it. I suppose it helps that I used to drive a truck way back in the day (not in 10 years mind you), that doesn't make me biased, I don't think, if anything, I'd be less inclined to forgive a truck driver as he (or she) should be higher trained than the average car driver. However, as said, I just don't see incidents on a daily basis that aren't due to a car putting itself in a stupid position.

I could have written exactly the same as this, letter for letter. This is exactly my experience too as a car driver. I do see though plenty of car drivers not having the same experience as me, but that's entirely up to them.

XDA said:

Yes, but my point being that these examples of poor driving by "professional" drivers does exist despite other professional drivers saying it doesn't.

No-one's saying that, but we are saying the above.

XDA said:

So how does their bad driving make a truck tailgate, run red lights, cut you up and overtake dangerously etc?

Whoa, just hold on a cotton-picker. They're not tail-gating me and they're definitely not cutting me up or dangerously overtaking me in any way shape or form. I know there are people out there who get tangled up, they even post videos on youtube whilst remaining entirely oblivious to their own poor driving, but it definitely doesn't happen to me.

(That may not be what you meant but I'm afraid I couldn't let it pass . )

Finlandia said:

truck drivers are often pressured to doing bad decisions due to schedules and time limits.

I don't agree with that tbh, although of course car drivers won't have experienced the winding-up and bad driving that many truckers find themselves on the receiving end of.

blueg33 said:

My point being, that if the trucks were kept to lane one much of the traffic would flow faster with limited delay to the trucks, the slower cars (still faster than the trucks) would not be forced into land 3. It would also reduce the concertina effect in lane 3 (there were 3 x shunts in lane 3 this morning.

Being a good PH'er I was going to and from a Board meeting, can of Red Bull at the ready

Board meeting was followed by a meeting at a certain Manchester hospital about the new A&E department they wast us to build because the current one is so old and dated its not fit for purpose

Edited by blueg33 on Monday 22 April 17:53

I completely disagree with your first paragraph. I think if trucks were to be confined to L1 I think the m'ways would travel even more slowly. I honestly think you're misinterpreting what you're seeing, Blue. You must have noticed that when traffic gets heavy L3 moves no more differently from the other lanes even though there are no junctions in L3. Like me you must have seen that all to often, when nthe going gets heavy L3 is often the first to stop.

I also see that m'ways are still being used so that people can go and talk to each other. Isn't it time we moved on from that? It seems you're asking for lorry owner drivers and small haulage businesses, all of whom have had to make significant investments, to compromise their investments so that people can go and talk to each other. There are of course significantly faster methods of communications that can be used without clogging up the nation's arteries.

[jmorgan]

Biggest problem is many drivers see themselves as some sort of expert on the law and think they know what should be the law when the truth is they are an insignificant part of what is going on.

Just go with the flow and chill. Life will be a lot less stressful.

[heebeegeetee]

jmorgan said:

Biggest problem is many drivers see themselves as some sort of expert on the law and think they know what should be the law when the truth is they are an insignificant part of what is going on.

Just go with the flow and chill. Life will be a lot less stressful.

Amen.

[skyrover]

I get the impression some of the posters on here would explode if they travelled to the states and found themselves getting passed by trucks doing 80mph

[jmorgan]

I fancy there is a line that says take the limiters off. Then, as you say, 40 ton of aggregate passes your M3 it will be limit the buggers.

[grumpy52]

Make all motorways four lanes two left hand lanes for 7.5 ton and above and the other two lanes for the rest.
I know which will flow better and have fewer accidents .
Most truckers know if they get it wrong its going to hurt ,most car drivers have no idea of the chaos they cause with their lack of concentration.
The young lady using her I pad on her lap with her costa coffee in her hand while doing 60 in the second lane of the M26 yesterday was one of many in long line all doing other things than driving .

[ZR1cliff]

OpulentBob said:

NorfolkInClue1 said:

...poor car driving only gets in your way for a few seconds, idiots in HGV's tend to last a bit longer so are understandably much more annoying, some of us are professional.................

No axe to grind here but out of the whole thread, that's probably the sentence that's made the most sense to me. Idiots on all sides, but car driving idiots are quicker to escape.

Considering HGV's run at around 20% of the A-road traffic around here, even if 1% of car drivers AND/OR truck drivers are planks, then that's going to have a fair impact.

Been an interesting read, between the spats.

Not altogether true. In my car driving around 4 lanes of motorway on the M25, there are clumps of slowish traffic caused because some car drivers choose to cruise in lanes 2,3 and 4 at 'their' own little speeds. Instead of pulling over to the left lane. For every bad truck driver there are multiples of bad car drivers.

If the authorities concentrated a little more on 'lane discipline' making it a taboo habit, as they do speeding, for both truck and car drivers, there would be less frustration on the roads. And I would guess less accidents.

[blueg33]

heebeegeetee said:

blueg33 said:

My point being, that if the trucks were kept to lane one much of the traffic would flow faster with limited delay to the trucks, the slower cars (still faster than the trucks) would not be forced into land 3. It would also reduce the concertina effect in lane 3 (there were 3 x shunts in lane 3 this morning.

Being a good PH'er I was going to and from a Board meeting, can of Red Bull at the ready

Board meeting was followed by a meeting at a certain Manchester hospital about the new A&E department they wast us to build because the current one is so old and dated its not fit for purpose

I completely disagree with your first paragraph. I think if trucks were to be confined to L1 I think the m'ways would travel even more slowly. I honestly think you're misinterpreting what you're seeing, Blue. You must have noticed that when traffic gets heavy L3 moves no more differently from the other lanes even though there are no junctions in L3. Like me you must have seen that all to often, when nthe going gets heavy L3 is often the first to stop.

I also see that m'ways are still being used so that people can go and talk to each other. Isn't it time we moved on from that? It seems you're asking for lorry owner drivers and small haulage businesses, all of whom have had to make significant investments, to compromise their investments so that people can go and talk to each other. There are of course significantly faster methods of communications that can be used without clogging up the nation's arteries.

We have to disagree on the first point. Observation shows this, take the 2 lane part of the M42 where there is a restriction on lorries overtaking, it makes a huge difference especially when the road is busy. I am wondering if my brother has empirical evidence on this, until a couple of years ago he specialised in flow modelling motorways and railways.

There is not substitute for a face to face meeting, especially where you have to negotiate, we use video conferencing extensively but you cannot properly read people, you do not know who else is there. So travel is necessary, and to many places that are not city centre the train takes way too long.

Like wise there are many goods that are currently transported by road that could be transported by rail with just local distribution. I even used the canal network to deliver materials to a development site.

Roads are for business and leisure and all can be done more efficiently. This thread is about thoughtless truck drivers and without doubt they exist and probably cause more delay than thoughtless car drivers.

[jmorgan]

I have travelled that M42 section quite a few times over the years and not experienced any real relief. Usually hindered by dopy Doris or nervous Fred in the coffin dogermobile.

[blueg33]

jmorgan said:

I have travelled that M42 section quite a few times over the years and not experienced any real relief. Usually hindered by dopy Doris or nervous Fred in the coffin dogermobile.

I drive it quite a few times a month, the benefit of keeping the trucks in lane one is marked

[heebeegeetee]

blueg33 said:

I drive it quite a few times a month, the benefit of keeping the trucks in lane one is marked

It doesn't pass any junctions though. I have a piece of film of myself in that section behind a Picasso doing 43 mph. The traffic coming past us is doing 10-15mph more at best, and nowhere near 70mph. The queues behind us were massive.

On the other side of the carriageway the traffic comes to a standstill every morning, and that has nothing to do with trucks.

There are 500,000 trucks registered for use, half of which will be on the roads at any one time. There are 30 million of everything else, 15 -20 million of which may be on the roads at any one time.

Fiddling about with trucks will make no material difference to anybody , but does have the potential to bring m'ways to a halt even more than they do now.

[Panda76]

[pedant]A42[/pedant]

Doesn't make a huge difference in my experience with it being such a short stretch.Not sure its even enforced anymore,it was orginally a time trial years ago.

The results used to be easy to find online,iirc the results showed it made no marked difference in journey times through that section.Cant remember the reason.

[blueg33]

It may not be enforced but most trucks adhere to it and when the odd one doesnt it causes tailbacks

So all of you that advocate that trucks shouldnt be kept to the left lane on 2 lane dc's, please explain why they are restricted from lane 3?

[heebeegeetee]

blueg33 said:

It may not be enforced but most trucks adhere to it and when the odd one doesnt it causes tailbacks

So all of you that advocate that trucks shouldnt be kept to the left lane on 2 lane dc's, please explain why they are restricted from lane 3?

To allow cars to pass at 70mph, but if you restrict trucks on dc's they'll be sitting behind tractors and if you restrict them on 2 lane m'ways they *will* be sitting behind cars at 40mph or less. In theory cars should still be able to pass at 70mph but it won't happen.

[Panda76]

blueg33 said:

It may not be enforced but most trucks adhere to it and when the odd one doesnt it causes tailbacks

Nope but Mr and Mrs 55-60 mph in their car sitting out in lane 2 refusing to fk out of the way and peel left will.Happens an awful lot down there.
Last time it happened to me the imbecile started brake testing.A quick swoop down lane 1 rectified the problem.
There is also an awful lot of trucks overtaking cars on duals and motorways these days.Hoping it's not some tit who doesn't want overtaken by a truck and speeds up midway on the overtake and comes back down the inside.
Whose faults that ?

[clarkey540i]

blueg33 said:

It may not be enforced but most trucks adhere to it and when the odd one doesnt it causes tailbacks

So all of you that advocate that trucks shouldnt be kept to the left lane on 2 lane dc's, please explain why they are restricted from lane 3?

Because on 3 lane roads they can overtake in lane 2 without blocking the entire road, but they can't do that on 2 lane roads. I would have thought that was reasonably obvious?
I've changed my mind from what I said earlier, I think they should have the limiters taken off. It's difference in speed, not speed itself, which is dangerous. At 56mph, trucks are sometimes doing half the speed of cars.

[blueg33]

clarkey540i said:

blueg33 said:

It may not be enforced but most trucks adhere to it and when the odd one doesnt it causes tailbacks

So all of you that advocate that trucks shouldnt be kept to the left lane on 2 lane dc's, please explain why they are restricted from lane 3?

Because on 3 lane roads they can overtake in lane 2 without blocking the entire road, but they can't do that on 2 lane roads. I would have thought that was reasonably obvious?
I've changed my mind from what I said earlier, I think they should have the limiters taken off. It's difference in speed, not speed itself, which is dangerous. At 56mph, trucks are sometimes doing half the speed of cars.

Yes but its ok for them to block two lanes?