Take that Trucker
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Sump said:
Ban trucks from going out of Lane 1.
There is a far more sensible approach and one which I cannot for the life of me see why has not been introduced: ban trucks from the outside/rightmost lane of any dual carriageway. So, if it's 3 or more, they can overtake, but 2 lanes, sorry, you're too slow and intrusive, no overtaking on this stretch. Would cure "A14 Syndrome" there and everywhere else. Why can't we have this?CAPP0 said:
Sump said:
Ban trucks from going out of Lane 1.
There is a far more sensible approach and one which I cannot for the life of me see why has not been introduced: ban trucks from the outside/rightmost lane of any dual carriageway. So, if it's 3 or more, they can overtake, but 2 lanes, sorry, you're too slow and intrusive, no overtaking on this stretch. Would cure "A14 Syndrome" there and everywhere else. Why can't we have this?Instant £200 fines (with the European-style lift to the cash machine) would stop that.
CAPP0 said:
There is a far more sensible approach and one which I cannot for the life of me see why has not been introduced: ban trucks from the outside/rightmost lane of any dual carriageway. So, if it's 3 or more, they can overtake, but 2 lanes, sorry, you're too slow and intrusive, no overtaking on this stretch. Would cure "A14 Syndrome" there and everywhere else. Why can't we have this?
Before the introduction of tree hugging carbon reduction plans that businesses follow this plan might just have worked, problem you have now is 2 fold1: We all have various limiters on our trucks, my company has them at 52mph some have them as low as 50mph (49 in real world) and some have the EU 56mph and those cheeky Irish boys seem to somehow go that bit quicker ( ferry times dependent!!) so having us all in one lane doesn't really work, particularly on an incline, which leads me to point 2.....
2: There is now a horsepower war amongst the makers, this means when I am trundling along in my merc with a full 44 tonnes and 440hp under my foot plus the limiter I am going no where near lane 2 but your driver in his 750hp Volvo will happily fly past me on any gradient at a max 56, trust me, it makes a hell of a difference with traffic flow etc when you have that kind of power.
I fully understand the moan from the op, I must be one of the rare drivers who flicks off the cruise control to let others past me, I'm only ever going to do 52 so why race??
There are bad drivers on both sides, the problem is the bad car driver only gets on your nerves for a few seconds where as an idiot in a HGV is in your way for a while, some of us are professional.
NorfolkInClue1 said:
CAPP0 said:
There is a far more sensible approach and one which I cannot for the life of me see why has not been introduced: ban trucks from the outside/rightmost lane of any dual carriageway. So, if it's 3 or more, they can overtake, but 2 lanes, sorry, you're too slow and intrusive, no overtaking on this stretch. Would cure "A14 Syndrome" there and everywhere else. Why can't we have this?
Before the introduction of tree hugging carbon reduction plans that businesses follow this plan might just have worked, problem you have now is 2 fold1: We all have various limiters on our trucks, my company has them at 52mph some have them as low as 50mph (49 in real world) and some have the EU 56mph and those cheeky Irish boys seem to somehow go that bit quicker ( ferry times dependent!!) so having us all in one lane doesn't really work, particularly on an incline, which leads me to point 2.....
2: There is now a horsepower war amongst the makers, this means when I am trundling along in my merc with a full 44 tonnes and 440hp under my foot plus the limiter I am going no where near lane 2 but your driver in his 750hp Volvo will happily fly past me on any gradient at a max 56, trust me, it makes a hell of a difference with traffic flow etc when you have that kind of power.
I fully understand the moan from the op, I must be one of the rare drivers who flicks off the cruise control to let others past me, I'm only ever going to do 52 so why race??
There are bad drivers on both sides, the problem is the bad car driver only gets on your nerves for a few seconds where as an idiot in a HGV is in your way for a while, some of us are professional.
OpulentBob said:
kambites said:
Out of interest, what other countries?
UK, France, Germany, Netherlands, Denmark have all got either full-time schemes, or have had trials. In the UK, it was trialled on the A14, but was ignored by pretty much all the continentals. http://www.europarl.europa.eu/committees/en/tran/s...
Relevant...!
Just put the onus on the one being overtaken to assist in letting lorry past, not that it'll happen with out slower=safer simplistic retard mentality rulemakers.
I drive 7.5 ton lorries fairly frequently for work (got one for the next 2 weeks actually), I drive from Portsmouth to Salisbury and Plymouth very often. The slog down the 303 to the M5 is particularly agonising at 56 and as I have rental lorries that are often worn out/ knackered/ cheap versions I get overtaken regularly, sometimes by mahoosive machines. As soon as I see that I immediately feel very conspicuous and turn the cruise off to let the poor bugger past and back in asap.
Granted motorway middle lane abuse is probably my number one motoring annoyance, but it costs me no measurable amount of time.
Granted motorway middle lane abuse is probably my number one motoring annoyance, but it costs me no measurable amount of time.
surveyor said:
heebeegeetee said:
It happens all the time when you drive a truck, whether you're overtaking (and not even on a dc) or not. The favourite is to overtake and immediately stop to turn right, when you drive a truck that happens to you a lot. I once saw a school mum who was actually braking and indicating to turn right as she sliced in front of an artic and stopped, to turn right into the road where the school is. The cab of that artic didn't have shudder a lot with that amount braking.
It happens all the time, it's perfectly normal daily life of driving a truck. Another thing that happens a lot is the amount of cars who speed up as you're passing, or just speed match. You can be passing a car only for him to speed up and bugger off, you return to L1 and 10 mins later you're repeating the process. My record is Birmingham to Liverpool with 1 car doing that throughout. I recall another car when I could see his faulty tail light many miles ahead at one point, and at another time I'd passed him with quite a speed difference, but nevertheless I must have passed him 10 times on that one journey. It's normal.
In the case of the OP, presumably the truck then repeats the process and overtakes the trucks he's already overtaken, and the people behind are delighted.
Ten minutes later he was still behind the same lorry.It happens all the time, it's perfectly normal daily life of driving a truck. Another thing that happens a lot is the amount of cars who speed up as you're passing, or just speed match. You can be passing a car only for him to speed up and bugger off, you return to L1 and 10 mins later you're repeating the process. My record is Birmingham to Liverpool with 1 car doing that throughout. I recall another car when I could see his faulty tail light many miles ahead at one point, and at another time I'd passed him with quite a speed difference, but nevertheless I must have passed him 10 times on that one journey. It's normal.
In the case of the OP, presumably the truck then repeats the process and overtakes the trucks he's already overtaken, and the people behind are delighted.
LoonR1 said:
No idea what they do on the continent I was raising an issue if you don't believe it will happen the good luck. It's bad enough in roadworks limited to 50 where you see many cars struggling to get over causing huge phantom jams from braking to slow down and pull in behind. I'm sure I'll now get flamed for being a crap driver but I'm considering the general population rather than my unbelievable ability.
In road works limited to 50, the speed enforcement will generally be set at 57 [limit +10% +2mph].Far more common than a line of trucks in the inside lane, will be a line of them in the outside lane, chapping on their 56mph limiters past cars that have slowed to 50.
blueg33 said:
I can see a few flaws in that, especially with the odd trucker that is a bit of a t**t (we have all come across them)
Imagine on a 60mph single carraigeway, you pull out to pass the artic, when you are half way along the trucker (because his breakfast only hd 4 rasher of bacon and his tea onl;y 5 sugars) decides to have some fun and presses his button, extending your time in the danger zone, forcing you to either speed up above the limit or pull back into the gap behind etc.
Simple solution is that truck drivers should be more considerate and should be limited to lane 1 only unless passing a very slow moving vehicle/wide load.
On a single carriageway where the limit for a car is 60mph, the limit for a truck is 40mph. If they're battering along on the limiter at 56mph, already 16mph over the limit, you have your warning to watch out for their antics.Imagine on a 60mph single carraigeway, you pull out to pass the artic, when you are half way along the trucker (because his breakfast only hd 4 rasher of bacon and his tea onl;y 5 sugars) decides to have some fun and presses his button, extending your time in the danger zone, forcing you to either speed up above the limit or pull back into the gap behind etc.
Simple solution is that truck drivers should be more considerate and should be limited to lane 1 only unless passing a very slow moving vehicle/wide load.
Edited by blueg33 on Thursday 18th April 14:18
Sump said:
Ban trucks from going out of Lane 1.
Works perfectly fine in other countries.
Yep!Works perfectly fine in other countries.
But in the UK, truckers seem to believe the country will grind to a halt if they can't sit on the limiter in lane 2 holding everyone up. They are more important than everyone else.
SonicShadow said:
There would be plenty of room if they left a 2 second gap.
Yes, they'll need to learn how to keep a 2 second gap instead of sitting inches from the vehicle infront!I was on a dual carriageway in a 50mph average zone in L2 at an indicated 60mph and I had a lorry inches from my bumper. There was a stream of traffic in L1 so I couldn't pull over but the lorry insisted on tailgating me and flashing his lights. We got to the final half mile of the average section so (and I know it's probably poor on my part) I take my foot off the gas and let my car coast down to around 25mph. Drop into 2nd and hoof it off into the NSL. The lorry got a lot further away very quickly.
XDA said:
Yes, they'll need to learn how to keep a 2 second gap instead of sitting inches from the vehicle infront!
Ahhhh, and along comes XDA, I believe he has some sort of alert in place so when someone types the word "trucker" he can swoop down and start spouting his usual truck hating bile. I strongly suggest you all read his previous posts on this kind of subject and understand that this thread is likely to descend into a rather pathetic uneducated rant if he is involved. One stand out contribution from XDA whilst baiting truckers about overtaking and blind spots was that he knew what he was talking about as he had "sat in a truck" .... No mention of what sort, if it was in traffic or even if it was moving, although I suspect it might have been moving just that it stopped when his pound ran out and some one else in the class had to have a go.
FYI Mr XDA, there is no such thing as a 2 second rule for truckers, it's at least 4 seconds as directed in the DCPC, but of course you knew that didn't you as you will have take the full DCPC in order to have a clue about how a truck "should" be driven. Anything less than 4 is not good driving, unlike the good driving of all of your car driving brethren who always leave a gap and never display poor driving standards.
I can't be bothered with the reply from you as I have already made my sensible and reasonable point to the OP, with whom I do have sympathy when obstructed by poorly driven HGV's. Your contribution will no doubt be full of sixth form sarcasm and of no real point. Sad really.
Regards
A Thick Trucker.
swerni said:
blueg33 said:
George7 said:
This has been mentioned a few times before, but a 'turbo boost' type button should be installed in lorries, so if they want to overtake, they can boost their max speed to say, 60mph for a short amount of time to allow them to overtake quickly without causing huge tailbacks.
I can see a few flaws in that, especially with the odd trucker that is a bit of a t**t (we have all come across them)Imagine on a 60mph single carraigeway, you pull out to pass the artic, when you are half way along the trucker (because his breakfast only hd 4 rasher of bacon and his tea onl;y 5 sugars) decides to have some fun and presses his button, extending your time in the danger zone, forcing you to either speed up above the limit or pull back into the gap behind etc.
Simple solution is that truck drivers should be more considerate and should be limited to lane 1 only unless passing a very slow moving vehicle/wide load.
Edited by blueg33 on Thursday 18th April 14:18
Be honest, if a truck was doing 55 would you really be overtaking it doing 60 on a SC road?
If a lorries "turbo boost" is going to put you in danger, I would suggest the overtake was unsafe in the fist place.
55-60 with turbo boost in how many minutes?
Or is it instantaneous ?
I also drive a Fabia - slow, an Outback - slowish, an A6 - moderate and a 25 year old Renault Alpine - moderate. So I can get into trouble. Clearly in a Tuscan I would be past before the truck drive has put his porn mag down so its a non issue :0
NorfolkInClue1 said:
XDA said:
Yes, they'll need to learn how to keep a 2 second gap instead of sitting inches from the vehicle infront!
Ahhhh, and along comes XDA, I believe he has some sort of alert in place so when someone types the word "trucker" he can swoop down and start spouting his usual truck hating bile. I strongly suggest you all read his previous posts on this kind of subject and understand that this thread is likely to descend into a rather pathetic uneducated rant if he is involved. One stand out contribution from XDA whilst baiting truckers about overtaking and blind spots was that he knew what he was talking about as he had "sat in a truck" .... No mention of what sort, if it was in traffic or even if it was moving, although I suspect it might have been moving just that it stopped when his pound ran out and some one else in the class had to have a go.
FYI Mr XDA, there is no such thing as a 2 second rule for truckers, it's at least 4 seconds as directed in the DCPC, but of course you knew that didn't you as you will have take the full DCPC in order to have a clue about how a truck "should" be driven. Anything less than 4 is not good driving, unlike the good driving of all of your car driving brethren who always leave a gap and never display poor driving standards.
I can't be bothered with the reply from you as I have already made my sensible and reasonable point to the OP, with whom I do have sympathy when obstructed by poorly driven HGV's. Your contribution will no doubt be full of sixth form sarcasm and of no real point. Sad really.
Regards
A Thick Trucker.
It's just a shame the rest of your "brethren" haven't heeded what they learnt in their DCPC about the 4 second gap then!
It only descends into a "pathetic uneducated rant" when the usual (truck driving) suspects get involved.
We should expect poor driving from car drivers, but not from professional (I use the term loosely) drivers with DCPC...
I just hope you don't get this worked up while driving your truck. Probably you do. Truckers get so worked up over the slightest thing, and love giving it the full beams and horn at any given opportunity.
Btw, your obsession with my posts is a bit...you know...weird!
Edited by XDA on Thursday 18th April 17:17
blueg33 said:
NorfolkInClue1 said:
CAPP0 said:
There is a far more sensible approach and one which I cannot for the life of me see why has not been introduced: ban trucks from the outside/rightmost lane of any dual carriageway. So, if it's 3 or more, they can overtake, but 2 lanes, sorry, you're too slow and intrusive, no overtaking on this stretch. Would cure "A14 Syndrome" there and everywhere else. Why can't we have this?
Before the introduction of tree hugging carbon reduction plans that businesses follow this plan might just have worked, problem you have now is 2 fold1: We all have various limiters on our trucks, my company has them at 52mph some have them as low as 50mph (49 in real world) and some have the EU 56mph and those cheeky Irish boys seem to somehow go that bit quicker ( ferry times dependent!!) so having us all in one lane doesn't really work, particularly on an incline, which leads me to point 2.....
2: There is now a horsepower war amongst the makers, this means when I am trundling along in my merc with a full 44 tonnes and 440hp under my foot plus the limiter I am going no where near lane 2 but your driver in his 750hp Volvo will happily fly past me on any gradient at a max 56, trust me, it makes a hell of a difference with traffic flow etc when you have that kind of power.
I fully understand the moan from the op, I must be one of the rare drivers who flicks off the cruise control to let others past me, I'm only ever going to do 52 so why race??
There are bad drivers on both sides, the problem is the bad car driver only gets on your nerves for a few seconds where as an idiot in a HGV is in your way for a while, some of us are professional.
davemac250 said:
The L2 bans on the continent work very well.
I wish this stuff could be put in the "Things Non Petrolheads say" thread. What a load of b
ks.There are L2 bans here and there and there are more than there in the UK, but if I read again on PH that there is a an L2 ban on the continent...
CAPP0 said:
There is a far more sensible approach and one which I cannot for the life of me see why has not been introduced: ban trucks from the outside/rightmost lane of any dual carriageway. So, if it's 3 or more, they can overtake, but 2 lanes, sorry, you're too slow and intrusive, no overtaking on this stretch. Would cure "A14 Syndrome" there and everywhere else. Why can't we have this?
We could, but it *will* lead to L1 doing 40mph or less because this is the speed that a good number of cars do in the UK. L2 will not be going past at 70 or more because people tend not to pass slow traffic at 30+ speed differencesXDA said:
Truckers get so worked up over the slightest thing, and love giving it the full beams and horn at any given opportunity.
As a car driver I've never had any of this. I've not had any sort of interaction with truckers as a car driver since the one altercation with an Irish truck in the 1980's. I've *never* had the beams and horns from a trucker, or any other issue of any sort.Clearly there's nothing wrong with your driving so there must be something wrong with mine for me not to be having the problems that some of you guys are having.
Edited by heebeegeetee on Thursday 18th April 18:52
Edited by heebeegeetee on Thursday 18th April 18:55
kambites said:
Cyclists get the same thing. I suspect any "slow" road user does.
You're right, but bikers get flak from car drivers too, especially the smidsy's of course. I think any other type of road user, be it trucker, cyclist, biker or pedestrian gets a lot of flak from car drivers. In my opinion this is because some 85% of car drivers are incompetent. I won't cycle in the UK because of this, but what bit of cycling I did on the continent was very enjoyable.
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