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I used to be amazed at the level of driving at going home time. In the limited van it is very hard to get anywhere on the M4 corridor around Newport (and many other cities). No lorries required to fudge it up. Not going to get anywhere by getting upset, so set the cruise a bit lower and get an extra bit out the audio book.
heebeegeetee said:
Cars block all lanes at least twice a day, to a standstill. Why don't they all stay in lane 1?
And in my experience much of the time there is either a truck over taking another at the head of it, a truck too close to another at a junction so people cannot move to the left lane to exit without slowing in lane 2 first, or a caravan causing the same effect - this then knocks on along the line of trafficgrumpy52 said:
Ha ! Motorways ! Try something like the A9 behind us truckers if we are sticking to our speed limit of 40 mph on single carriageways, we soon get miles of traffic all itching to get past !
Then you have the odd burst of DC and the lorry you have been stuck behind for the past 15 minutes decides to overtake the lorry it's been following, before you've had a chance to overtake the lorry it closes back down to single lane... yeah thats really funny, hilarious!!!deltashad said:
grumpy52 said:
Ha ! Motorways ! Try something like the A9 behind us truckers if we are sticking to our speed limit of 40 mph on single carriageways, we soon get miles of traffic all itching to get past !
Then you have the odd burst of DC and the lorry you have been stuck behind for the past 15 minutes decides to overtake the lorry it's been following, before you've had a chance to overtake the lorry it closes back down to single lane... yeah thats really funny, hilarious!!!blueg33 said:
deltashad said:
grumpy52 said:
Ha ! Motorways ! Try something like the A9 behind us truckers if we are sticking to our speed limit of 40 mph on single carriageways, we soon get miles of traffic all itching to get past !
Then you have the odd burst of DC and the lorry you have been stuck behind for the past 15 minutes decides to overtake the lorry it's been following, before you've had a chance to overtake the lorry it closes back down to single lane... yeah thats really funny, hilarious!!!blueg33 said:
And in my experience much of the time there is either a truck over taking another at the head of it, a truck too close to another at a junction so people cannot move to the left lane to exit without slowing in lane 2 first, or a caravan causing the same effect - this then knocks on along the line of traffic
Blue, that is such a wrong thing to say that it is almost offensive. It just goes to show that the view from cars isn't great, because you are just not seeing what is going on. For crying out loud, where I am working right now you can't move out there on the roads, and there are no trucks! My commute to work is 12 mph - there are no trucks! I can vary that average speed by changing the time I go to work, but it'll have nothing to do with trucks. I might lose my staff because the roads are clogged with cars, but there are practically no trucks involved at all.
Your statement above is right up there with the most ridiculous things I have ever read on PH. It is so wrong that it hurts, it is almost offensive.
heebeegeetee said:
Blue, that is such a wrong thing to say that it is almost offensive. It just goes to show that the view from cars isn't great, because you are just not seeing what is going on. For crying out loud, where I am working right now you can't move out there on the roads, and there are no trucks!
My commute to work is 12 mph - there are no trucks! I can vary that average speed by changing the time I go to work, but it'll have nothing to do with trucks. I might lose my staff because the roads are clogged with cars, but there are practically no trucks involved at all.
Your statement above is right up there with the most ridiculous things I have ever read on PH. It is so wrong that it hurts, it is almost offensive.
FFS offensive! Its observation from having spent many hundreds of thousands of miles driving around the country. Sure cars out number trucks, but so often its the trucks where they are elephant racing forcing the cars that are travelling slower than lane 3 but faster than the trucks into lane 3, leading to huge tailbacks, get past the trucks and lo and behold the road is flowing freely again. My commute to work is 12 mph - there are no trucks! I can vary that average speed by changing the time I go to work, but it'll have nothing to do with trucks. I might lose my staff because the roads are clogged with cars, but there are practically no trucks involved at all.
Your statement above is right up there with the most ridiculous things I have ever read on PH. It is so wrong that it hurts, it is almost offensive.
Sure cars can have the same effect if they do the same thing. But how you can say that lane 2 isnt held up when one truck doing 56.1mph is passing another doing 56mph whilst the rest of the traffic in land 2 would be doing 65mph is beyond me.
I would love to agree with you, I dont argue for arguments sake, but you are excessively defensive of trucks IMO, whilst at least I acknowledge that caravans and slow cars can also cause similar problems, and without doubt there are problems.
XDA said:
Yes, all very relevant.
But the issue is that truck drivers here claim that there is no bad driving from trucks, only cars.
But the issue is that truck drivers here claim that there is no bad driving from trucks, only cars.
NorfolkInClue1 said:
Where did I claim that?
Yes, exactly. Where did I claim you said that? Please point me in the direction of the post...NorfolkInClue1 said:
These have ranged from making up how much we get paid per hour (£6-9 per hour!!, my salary,yes salary,being way way over that and that of the national average) in order to try to make yourself look somehow superior,
I quick look at the jobcentre adverts reveals £9 per hour.But well done you for earning more.
NorfolkInClue1 said:
to suggesting we can't write properly and are therefore un-educated( I have a 11 GCSE's, 4 A-Levels and a degree in Architecture)
You may be educated but it appears many aren't. (I've just looked at the truck forum you're a member of to confirm this)NorfolkInClue1 said:
also that our job is not skilled when it is sort after around the world, often scoring highly in points sytems when looking to move to another country, and the British license is seen as a benchmark of quality.
So what's stopping me driving a truck tomorrow if I had a C+E licence?deltashad said:
grumpy52 said:
Ha ! Motorways ! Try something like the A9 behind us truckers if we are sticking to our speed limit of 40 mph on single carriageways, we soon get miles of traffic all itching to get past !
Then you have the odd burst of DC and the lorry you have been stuck behind for the past 15 minutes decides to overtake the lorry it's been following, before you've had a chance to overtake the lorry it closes back down to single lane... yeah thats really funny, hilarious!!!
XDA said:
So what's stopping me driving a truck tomorrow if I had a C+E licence?
It doesn't require a degree, but getting the C+E entitlement will cost you a couple of thousands of pounds, possibly much more, and is far, far easier to say than actually do.When you have managed this you will also have achieved a zen-like level of understanding and will no longer post such ignorant drivel on the internet.
Re - The A42 lane restriction for trucks trial
[quote=news report]
Byline: Christina Savvas
LORRY drivers have reacted with fury to a permanent ban on heavy goods vehicles overtaking on a three-mile stretch of a Midland motorway.
The daytime ban on heavy vehicles overtaking on the M42 northbound became permanent yesterday after a successful 18-month trial.
It aims to reduce the risk of accidents caused by slow-moving vehicles between the northbound junctions 10 and 11 and would also cut congestion.
Lorries weighing more than sevenand-half tonnes will not be able to use the outside lane between 7am and 7pm on the northbound carriageway of the M42 near Tamworth.
The Highways Agency area performance manager, Ivan Beavis, said the trial had succeeded in cutting congestion. He said: "We are committed to tackling congestion and making journeys on our roads safer and more reliable.
"On average, 29,000 vehicles use this stretch of motorway each day, and almost a quarter of these are HGVs.
[b]"Before the trial, the motorway was often blocked by overtaking lorries going slowly uphill. This caused frustration among other road users caught up in queues.
"The trial brought a welcome cut in congestion and improvement in journey-time reliability [\b] and by making the restriction permanent, people who use this motorway will con-tinuto see the benefits."
The effect on traffic flows and journey-time reliability will continue to be monitored.
A similar overtaking ban on two stretches of the A14 in Northamptonshire became permanent in October 2008.
[quote=news report]
Byline: Christina Savvas
LORRY drivers have reacted with fury to a permanent ban on heavy goods vehicles overtaking on a three-mile stretch of a Midland motorway.
The daytime ban on heavy vehicles overtaking on the M42 northbound became permanent yesterday after a successful 18-month trial.
It aims to reduce the risk of accidents caused by slow-moving vehicles between the northbound junctions 10 and 11 and would also cut congestion.
Lorries weighing more than sevenand-half tonnes will not be able to use the outside lane between 7am and 7pm on the northbound carriageway of the M42 near Tamworth.
The Highways Agency area performance manager, Ivan Beavis, said the trial had succeeded in cutting congestion. He said: "We are committed to tackling congestion and making journeys on our roads safer and more reliable.
"On average, 29,000 vehicles use this stretch of motorway each day, and almost a quarter of these are HGVs.
[b]"Before the trial, the motorway was often blocked by overtaking lorries going slowly uphill. This caused frustration among other road users caught up in queues.
"The trial brought a welcome cut in congestion and improvement in journey-time reliability [\b] and by making the restriction permanent, people who use this motorway will con-tinuto see the benefits."
The effect on traffic flows and journey-time reliability will continue to be monitored.
A similar overtaking ban on two stretches of the A14 in Northamptonshire became permanent in October 2008.
XDA said:
So what's stopping me driving a truck tomorrow if I had a C+E licence?
GC8 said:
[It doesn't require a degree, but getting the C+E entitlement will cost you a couple of thousands of pounds, possibly much more, and is far, far easier to say than actually do.
Yes, I know this...GC8 said:
will no longer post such ignorant drivel on the internet.
Really? Doesn't seem to have happened with some of the truckers here.Perhaps ignorant drivel would be better substituted with blinkered drivel. You would be amazed to see how your outlook changes after only a limited amount of experience.
Most of the talk here about HGV-caused congestion is nonsense. It happens on occasion, of course, on particular road formats, but its is a massive leap and a total nonsense to then suggest that congestion is caused by HGVs. It is also foolish to further suggest that all HGVs should be restricted to the first lane of any dual+ laned road. I accept that on particular stretches or raod where continued f
kwittery causes a real problem that it will be introduced, but it is bleeding obvious to anyone who thinks as well as talks that a blanket restriction would cause far more problems than it is perceived to solve.
Most of the talk here about HGV-caused congestion is nonsense. It happens on occasion, of course, on particular road formats, but its is a massive leap and a total nonsense to then suggest that congestion is caused by HGVs. It is also foolish to further suggest that all HGVs should be restricted to the first lane of any dual+ laned road. I accept that on particular stretches or raod where continued f
kwittery causes a real problem that it will be introduced, but it is bleeding obvious to anyone who thinks as well as talks that a blanket restriction would cause far more problems than it is perceived to solve.Edited by GC8 on Wednesday 24th April 13:33
blueg33 said:
FFS offensive! Its observation from having spent many hundreds of thousands of miles driving around the country. Sure cars out number trucks, but so often its the trucks where they are elephant racing forcing the cars that are travelling slower than lane 3 but faster than the trucks into lane 3, leading to huge tailbacks, get past the trucks and lo and behold the road is flowing freely again.
Sure cars can have the same effect if they do the same thing. But how you can say that lane 2 isnt held up when one truck doing 56.1mph is passing another doing 56mph whilst the rest of the traffic in land 2 would be doing 65mph is beyond me.
I would love to agree with you, I dont argue for arguments sake, but you are excessively defensive of trucks IMO, whilst at least I acknowledge that caravans and slow cars can also cause similar problems, and without doubt there are problems.
The trucks you complain about have spent the night romping around the UK. Come 7am and m'ways all around the country grind to a halt. What changes?Sure cars can have the same effect if they do the same thing. But how you can say that lane 2 isnt held up when one truck doing 56.1mph is passing another doing 56mph whilst the rest of the traffic in land 2 would be doing 65mph is beyond me.
I would love to agree with you, I dont argue for arguments sake, but you are excessively defensive of trucks IMO, whilst at least I acknowledge that caravans and slow cars can also cause similar problems, and without doubt there are problems.
blueg33 said:
would also cut congestion.
And the supreme irony is that that is exactly, to the letter, what they said speed limiters would do.In the meantime, on the opposite side of the carriageway the M42 comes to a standstill every morning, yet the numbers of trucks on the roads hasn't changed in our lifetimes.
The news report doesnt really count blue.
There was at one point actual times on this bloody internet somewhere,which now appear hard to find.
I doubt truckers reacted with fury,that stretch really is short lol (which is likely to be in direct relation to the times that are out there somewhere.)
Also since the journey trial was put in place 7.5t vehicles are running at 56mph these days,quite a lot of them struggle with this on inclines.The journey time trial was only put in on the A42 because of the incline and trucks losing speed on it.7,5t vehicles being allowed in lane 2 but still struggling up the incline kind of defeats the object ......
XDA you cant look at a small sector of an industries wage and decide thats what the majority are being paid.
I dont even go down the road anymore and get paid quite a bit more than £9 ph,albeit my job is salaried.
The company I work for is not one of the top payers in the midlands area either,a friend of mine works for a well known crisps firm and is on a bit more than my workplace.
I wouldnt do what I'm doing for £9 ph,its certainly not an industry standard,not the lowest out there of the piss takers paying peanuts,but low enough not to get out of bed for it.
There was at one point actual times on this bloody internet somewhere,which now appear hard to find.
I doubt truckers reacted with fury,that stretch really is short lol (which is likely to be in direct relation to the times that are out there somewhere.)
Also since the journey trial was put in place 7.5t vehicles are running at 56mph these days,quite a lot of them struggle with this on inclines.The journey time trial was only put in on the A42 because of the incline and trucks losing speed on it.7,5t vehicles being allowed in lane 2 but still struggling up the incline kind of defeats the object ......
XDA you cant look at a small sector of an industries wage and decide thats what the majority are being paid.
I dont even go down the road anymore and get paid quite a bit more than £9 ph,albeit my job is salaried.
The company I work for is not one of the top payers in the midlands area either,a friend of mine works for a well known crisps firm and is on a bit more than my workplace.
I wouldnt do what I'm doing for £9 ph,its certainly not an industry standard,not the lowest out there of the piss takers paying peanuts,but low enough not to get out of bed for it.
Edited by Panda76 on Wednesday 24th April 13:46
Edited by Panda76 on Wednesday 24th April 13:48
Panda76 said:
XDA you cant look at a small sector of an industries wage and decide thats what the majority are being paid.
I dont even go down the road anymore and get paid quite a bit more than £9 ph,albeit my job is salaried.
The company I work for is not one of the top payers in the midlands area either,a friend of mine works for a well known crisps firm and is on a bit more than my workplace.
I wouldnt do what I'm doing for £9 ph,its certainly not an industry standard,its actually pretty low,not the lowest out there of the piss takers paying peanuts,but low enough not to get out of bed for it.
But it's not particularly well paid, is it?I dont even go down the road anymore and get paid quite a bit more than £9 ph,albeit my job is salaried.
The company I work for is not one of the top payers in the midlands area either,a friend of mine works for a well known crisps firm and is on a bit more than my workplace.
I wouldnt do what I'm doing for £9 ph,its certainly not an industry standard,its actually pretty low,not the lowest out there of the piss takers paying peanuts,but low enough not to get out of bed for it.
I appreciate some do earn a very good wage.
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