Who's in the wrong ?...
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badboyburt said:
oh right, so on the lane your supposed to build up speed to enter we must slow down, well that makes it all good then.
I shall try that tomorrow am. Lets hope Willi Betz is still in a layby somewhere.
Yes if it is busy and there isn't a gap slow or even stop ,you fit in with the traffic already on the motorway or DC ...I shall try that tomorrow am. Lets hope Willi Betz is still in a layby somewhere.
I've been practising the lorry drivers method of not giving an inch to other road users today. It's been enlightening by the number of times that I've not needed to slow down, although a few lorry drivers appear to have been a little pissed off with this.
Actually I did not enjoy it at all. I was driving in what I felt was an aggressive manner (certainly not defensively), and was putting myself at risk from lorries misjudging where I was, lorries not caring where I was. I saved about 0.2 minutes on a 3 hour journey
Since I tried my experiment I've changed my mind. The car driver carries most responsibility for planting himself on a lorry bumper. I don't think you can argue against that. However the lorry driver had ample time to see this situation developing and to halt that by easing back a little, or changing lanes. He'd clearly be in the right to be a little grumpy. but ultimately he was either a knob, or not driving at all well.
Some of you driver will no doubt point out that by easing off for 5 seconds he's costing himself time. I'd just point out that a collision probably cost more time.
Actually I did not enjoy it at all. I was driving in what I felt was an aggressive manner (certainly not defensively), and was putting myself at risk from lorries misjudging where I was, lorries not caring where I was. I saved about 0.2 minutes on a 3 hour journey
Since I tried my experiment I've changed my mind. The car driver carries most responsibility for planting himself on a lorry bumper. I don't think you can argue against that. However the lorry driver had ample time to see this situation developing and to halt that by easing back a little, or changing lanes. He'd clearly be in the right to be a little grumpy. but ultimately he was either a knob, or not driving at all well.
Some of you driver will no doubt point out that by easing off for 5 seconds he's costing himself time. I'd just point out that a collision probably cost more time.
no doubt you will of taken into consideration that the dash cam in the truck is sat on the front of the dash , where as the driver is sat a lot further back and would not see the car till too late .
ahh no lets not let give any quarter to the bloody truckers eh , its deff his fault , if he had been going 2mph faster he wouldn`t of been there , or 2mph slower he wouldn`t of been there.
lets just ban them trucks , after all the car journeys are much more important
ahh no lets not let give any quarter to the bloody truckers eh , its deff his fault , if he had been going 2mph faster he wouldn`t of been there , or 2mph slower he wouldn`t of been there.
lets just ban them trucks , after all the car journeys are much more important
spike50 said:
no doubt you will of taken into consideration that the dash cam in the truck is sat on the front of the dash , where as the driver is sat a lot further back and would not see the car till too late .
ahh no lets not let give any quarter to the bloody truckers eh , its deff his fault , if he had been going 2mph faster he wouldn`t of been there , or 2mph slower he wouldn`t of been there.
lets just ban them trucks , after all the car journeys are much more important
I was also doing research today looking at trucks mirrors. Virtually all had the nearside blind-spot mirrors. If he did not know the car was there, he should have. A dab on the brakes and 5 mph down on speed would have avoided a collision.ahh no lets not let give any quarter to the bloody truckers eh , its deff his fault , if he had been going 2mph faster he wouldn`t of been there , or 2mph slower he wouldn`t of been there.
lets just ban them trucks , after all the car journeys are much more important
80% the truck driver for tailgating leaving no space for traffic to merge from an entry slip road let alone if the truck ahead had to make an emergency stop.
10% the road layout putting traffic into a no way out situation when entering from lane 2 of the entry slip.
10% the car driver for not just taking the only realistic way out which would either have been stopping on the entry slip which would then have just caused another hazard when trying to merge from a standstill assuming someone didn't run into the stopped car on the entry slip first.Or crossing the chevrons into lane 1 of the entry slip road creating yet another hazard.
Realistically all that mainly because of a truck driver who is just an accident waiting to happen being that he obviously thinks that priority means everything while selectively ignoring everything else related to safe driving.
10% the road layout putting traffic into a no way out situation when entering from lane 2 of the entry slip.
10% the car driver for not just taking the only realistic way out which would either have been stopping on the entry slip which would then have just caused another hazard when trying to merge from a standstill assuming someone didn't run into the stopped car on the entry slip first.Or crossing the chevrons into lane 1 of the entry slip road creating yet another hazard.
Realistically all that mainly because of a truck driver who is just an accident waiting to happen being that he obviously thinks that priority means everything while selectively ignoring everything else related to safe driving.
Edited by XJ Flyer on Friday 20th December 17:25
spike50 said:
no doubt you will of taken into consideration that the dash cam in the truck is sat on the front of the dash , where as the driver is sat a lot further back and would not see the car till too late .
ahh no lets not let give any quarter to the bloody truckers eh , its deff his fault , if he had been going 2mph faster he wouldn`t of been there , or 2mph slower he wouldn`t of been there.
lets just ban them trucks , after all the car journeys are much more important
No just drive trucks safely by leaving a decent amount of seperation distance ahead and using the simple anticipation that traffic is likely to be merging ahead on the approach to slip roads.Which obviously means increasing that seperation distance even more. ahh no lets not let give any quarter to the bloody truckers eh , its deff his fault , if he had been going 2mph faster he wouldn`t of been there , or 2mph slower he wouldn`t of been there.
lets just ban them trucks , after all the car journeys are much more important
Edited by XJ Flyer on Friday 20th December 17:33
surveyor said:
I've been practising the lorry drivers method of not giving an inch to other road users today. It's been enlightening by the number of times that I've not needed to slow down, although a few lorry drivers appear to have been a little pissed off with this.
Actually I did not enjoy it at all. I was driving in what I felt was an aggressive manner (certainly not defensively), and was putting myself at risk from lorries misjudging where I was, lorries not caring where I was. I saved about 0.2 minutes on a 3 hour journey
Since I tried my experiment I've changed my mind. The car driver carries most responsibility for planting himself on a lorry bumper. I don't think you can argue against that. However the lorry driver had ample time to see this situation developing and to halt that by easing back a little, or changing lanes. He'd clearly be in the right to be a little grumpy. but ultimately he was either a knob, or not driving at all well.
Some of you driver will no doubt point out that by easing off for 5 seconds he's costing himself time. I'd just point out that a collision probably cost more time.
The lorry driver was correct in expecting the car driver to frame though, wasnt he? You cant drive a vehicle like that in such a way that you allow for every eventuality and fActually I did not enjoy it at all. I was driving in what I felt was an aggressive manner (certainly not defensively), and was putting myself at risk from lorries misjudging where I was, lorries not caring where I was. I saved about 0.2 minutes on a 3 hour journey
Since I tried my experiment I've changed my mind. The car driver carries most responsibility for planting himself on a lorry bumper. I don't think you can argue against that. However the lorry driver had ample time to see this situation developing and to halt that by easing back a little, or changing lanes. He'd clearly be in the right to be a little grumpy. but ultimately he was either a knob, or not driving at all well.
Some of you driver will no doubt point out that by easing off for 5 seconds he's costing himself time. I'd just point out that a collision probably cost more time.
kwitted motorist, otherwise youd struggle to get anywhere.With regards to his seeing the situation developing, I would err on the side of caution and suggest that it wasnt as easy to see as you are presuming. Dont be fooled by the fisheye lens mounted at the windscreen top which is directed more down than forward. For you to have a similar field of vision youd need to be laying on the cab roof and looking down at the road! The drivers view will have been very different and whilst the Honda may have appeared in the scene view mirror briefly, I usually prefer to see the driver wathing the road and not watching that for foolish drivers.
I will presume that the HGV driver couldnt move to the second lane due to traffic,
GC8 said:
surveyor said:
I've been practising the lorry drivers method of not giving an inch to other road users today. It's been enlightening by the number of times that I've not needed to slow down, although a few lorry drivers appear to have been a little pissed off with this.
Actually I did not enjoy it at all. I was driving in what I felt was an aggressive manner (certainly not defensively), and was putting myself at risk from lorries misjudging where I was, lorries not caring where I was. I saved about 0.2 minutes on a 3 hour journey
Since I tried my experiment I've changed my mind. The car driver carries most responsibility for planting himself on a lorry bumper. I don't think you can argue against that. However the lorry driver had ample time to see this situation developing and to halt that by easing back a little, or changing lanes. He'd clearly be in the right to be a little grumpy. but ultimately he was either a knob, or not driving at all well.
Some of you driver will no doubt point out that by easing off for 5 seconds he's costing himself time. I'd just point out that a collision probably cost more time.
The lorry driver was correct in expecting the car driver to frame though, wasnt he? You cant drive a vehicle like that in such a way that you allow for every eventuality and fActually I did not enjoy it at all. I was driving in what I felt was an aggressive manner (certainly not defensively), and was putting myself at risk from lorries misjudging where I was, lorries not caring where I was. I saved about 0.2 minutes on a 3 hour journey
Since I tried my experiment I've changed my mind. The car driver carries most responsibility for planting himself on a lorry bumper. I don't think you can argue against that. However the lorry driver had ample time to see this situation developing and to halt that by easing back a little, or changing lanes. He'd clearly be in the right to be a little grumpy. but ultimately he was either a knob, or not driving at all well.
Some of you driver will no doubt point out that by easing off for 5 seconds he's costing himself time. I'd just point out that a collision probably cost more time.
kwitted motorist, otherwise youd struggle to get anywhere.With regards to his seeing the situation developing, I would err on the side of caution and suggest that it wasnt as easy to see as you are presuming. Dont be fooled by the fisheye lens mounted at the windscreen top which is directed more down than forward. For you to have a similar field of vision youd need to be laying on the cab roof and looking down at the road! The drivers view will have been very different and whilst the Honda may have appeared in the scene view mirror briefly, I usually prefer to see the driver wathing the road and not watching that for foolish drivers.
I will presume that the HGV driver couldnt move to the second lane due to traffic,
XJ Flyer said:
GC8 said:
surveyor said:
I've been practising the lorry drivers method of not giving an inch to other road users today. It's been enlightening by the number of times that I've not needed to slow down, although a few lorry drivers appear to have been a little pissed off with this.
Actually I did not enjoy it at all. I was driving in what I felt was an aggressive manner (certainly not defensively), and was putting myself at risk from lorries misjudging where I was, lorries not caring where I was. I saved about 0.2 minutes on a 3 hour journey
Since I tried my experiment I've changed my mind. The car driver carries most responsibility for planting himself on a lorry bumper. I don't think you can argue against that. However the lorry driver had ample time to see this situation developing and to halt that by easing back a little, or changing lanes. He'd clearly be in the right to be a little grumpy. but ultimately he was either a knob, or not driving at all well.
Some of you driver will no doubt point out that by easing off for 5 seconds he's costing himself time. I'd just point out that a collision probably cost more time.
The lorry driver was correct in expecting the car driver to frame though, wasnt he? You cant drive a vehicle like that in such a way that you allow for every eventuality and fActually I did not enjoy it at all. I was driving in what I felt was an aggressive manner (certainly not defensively), and was putting myself at risk from lorries misjudging where I was, lorries not caring where I was. I saved about 0.2 minutes on a 3 hour journey
Since I tried my experiment I've changed my mind. The car driver carries most responsibility for planting himself on a lorry bumper. I don't think you can argue against that. However the lorry driver had ample time to see this situation developing and to halt that by easing back a little, or changing lanes. He'd clearly be in the right to be a little grumpy. but ultimately he was either a knob, or not driving at all well.
Some of you driver will no doubt point out that by easing off for 5 seconds he's costing himself time. I'd just point out that a collision probably cost more time.
kwitted motorist, otherwise youd struggle to get anywhere.With regards to his seeing the situation developing, I would err on the side of caution and suggest that it wasnt as easy to see as you are presuming. Dont be fooled by the fisheye lens mounted at the windscreen top which is directed more down than forward. For you to have a similar field of vision youd need to be laying on the cab roof and looking down at the road! The drivers view will have been very different and whilst the Honda may have appeared in the scene view mirror briefly, I usually prefer to see the driver wathing the road and not watching that for foolish drivers.
I will presume that the HGV driver couldnt move to the second lane due to traffic,
GC8 said:
XJ Flyer said:
GC8 said:
surveyor said:
I've been practising the lorry drivers method of not giving an inch to other road users today. It's been enlightening by the number of times that I've not needed to slow down, although a few lorry drivers appear to have been a little pissed off with this.
Actually I did not enjoy it at all. I was driving in what I felt was an aggressive manner (certainly not defensively), and was putting myself at risk from lorries misjudging where I was, lorries not caring where I was. I saved about 0.2 minutes on a 3 hour journey
Since I tried my experiment I've changed my mind. The car driver carries most responsibility for planting himself on a lorry bumper. I don't think you can argue against that. However the lorry driver had ample time to see this situation developing and to halt that by easing back a little, or changing lanes. He'd clearly be in the right to be a little grumpy. but ultimately he was either a knob, or not driving at all well.
Some of you driver will no doubt point out that by easing off for 5 seconds he's costing himself time. I'd just point out that a collision probably cost more time.
The lorry driver was correct in expecting the car driver to frame though, wasnt he? You cant drive a vehicle like that in such a way that you allow for every eventuality and fActually I did not enjoy it at all. I was driving in what I felt was an aggressive manner (certainly not defensively), and was putting myself at risk from lorries misjudging where I was, lorries not caring where I was. I saved about 0.2 minutes on a 3 hour journey
Since I tried my experiment I've changed my mind. The car driver carries most responsibility for planting himself on a lorry bumper. I don't think you can argue against that. However the lorry driver had ample time to see this situation developing and to halt that by easing back a little, or changing lanes. He'd clearly be in the right to be a little grumpy. but ultimately he was either a knob, or not driving at all well.
Some of you driver will no doubt point out that by easing off for 5 seconds he's costing himself time. I'd just point out that a collision probably cost more time.
kwitted motorist, otherwise youd struggle to get anywhere.With regards to his seeing the situation developing, I would err on the side of caution and suggest that it wasnt as easy to see as you are presuming. Dont be fooled by the fisheye lens mounted at the windscreen top which is directed more down than forward. For you to have a similar field of vision youd need to be laying on the cab roof and looking down at the road! The drivers view will have been very different and whilst the Honda may have appeared in the scene view mirror briefly, I usually prefer to see the driver wathing the road and not watching that for foolish drivers.
I will presume that the HGV driver couldnt move to the second lane due to traffic,
It was a rubbish car-only driver which caused it and it was exaggerated by the nose to tail driving and possibly, also, bu the drivers not having moved into the second lane to make room for the joining traffic.
That was a serious answer, but you really have posted so much twaddle in other threads.
That was a serious answer, but you really have posted so much twaddle in other threads.
GC8 said:
It was a rubbish car-only driver which caused it and it was exaggerated by the nose to tail driving and possibly, also, bu the drivers not having moved into the second lane to make room for the joining traffic.
That was a serious answer, but you really have posted so much twaddle in other threads.
Not twaddle just a different point of view from others.Just as obviously in this case.It's no surprise to me, that in addition to arguing with the environmentalist cause amongst others who I'd not expect to have to be on a performance car site,I'm now on the wrong side of an argument which is obviously all about trying to justify examples of dangerous tailgating and a total lack of anticipation leading to obvious results in this case. That was a serious answer, but you really have posted so much twaddle in other threads.
XJ Flyer said:
GC8 said:
It was a rubbish car-only driver which caused it and it was exaggerated by the nose to tail driving and possibly, also, bu the drivers not having moved into the second lane to make room for the joining traffic.
That was a serious answer, but you really have posted so much twaddle in other threads.
Not twaddle just a different point of view from others.Just as obviously in this case.It's no surprise to me, that in addition to arguing with the environmentalist cause amongst others who I'd not expect to have to be on a performance car site,I'm now on the wrong side of an argument which is obviously all about trying to justify examples of dangerous tailgating and a total lack of anticipation leading to obvious results in this case. That was a serious answer, but you really have posted so much twaddle in other threads.
To us more normal drivers we make allowances, partly because crashes hurt us financially and physically. Presumably because of their size and weight the LGV drivers feel more protected from idiot drivers. Quite why they feel that discourteous driving is no problem I am not sure.
only my thoughts here, trying to see it from 'both sides'
imho, its a bit tricky because of the fish eye lens, but 'i' do think the lorry was a tad close to the 1 infront.
that said, as pointed out, the lorry driver would have had a different view from the one we are all seeing. the honda would have been sat perfectly in the blind spot. despite having 4 mirrors on my nearside of the wagon, (when in a rhd truck) you can still completely lose a car from vision when its in that danger area.
now maybe the car driver was unaware of the lorries blindspot, because lets face it, alot of car drivers struggle with the basics of driving a car, let alone them trying to comprehend what the driver of a larger vehicle, bus, truck, motorhome....whatever, may be up against, and lets face it why would they, or should they even care. i'm alright jack, and all that.
however you look at it, and from either side of the discussion, the honda is still 100% in the wrong, it doesn't matter what you, we or i think should, or should not have happened, the basic facts are, the honda was joining the flow of traffic, and unless i'm missing something here, and happy to be corrected, its plain and simple give way to the right.
we can have lorry hating car drivers preach to us all day long, about how we impede their journey, hold them up whilst qualifying for the elephant racing olympics and so on and so forth. all to quick and easy to critisize, but on what grounds do you have a 100% genuine understanding of a lorry drivers perspective.
don't get me wrong, i'm no fool, there are lorry drivers out there that are a disgrace. the recent clip of the royal mail driver on another thread being a prime example of a 100% tool. piss poor standards of driving a truck as a so called proffesional. sadly as much as i hate to admit it, elephant racing is here to stay, these days its right up there with mlm, fog/spot light muppets, tailgaters and so on, and so on.
i detest bad lorry driving as much as the rest, especially the elephant racing thing. its not all of us fortunately, but it is clearly out there and whilst the e.u continues to become a more free place to live and work, expect to see alot more of it. this industry we work in, is purely profit driven, so if big hauliers, or lets say, those hauliers that have not so high moral standards, are working on a cost effective business, peanuts and monkeys spring to mind. remember this next time your ready to jump to conclusions, when critisizing so called, 'proffesional' drivers.
back to the original clip.
lets say the truck had spotted the civic. he may then have decided to pull into lane 2 to aid the civic. so why didn't he?
maybe here is why. i used to whenever possible in this scenario, move into lane 2 to allow said civic driver to join the motorway. so why have i become so ignorant and not bother anymore? heres why.
a few things normally happen.
i pull out, remember i'm probably flat out at 56 mph. so now any approaching vehicles from behind are probably going to have to slow. not good. these vehicles will then maybe look to move into lane 3, thus also possibly causing the vehicles in lane 3 to slow. its a knock on effect thing, and we all know that many a car driver doesn't like their progress impeded by a slower vehicle.
then there is the scenario, of once i've moved out, the civic driver just kind of bumbles along at no real constant speed. so before you know it, there i am in lane 2, flat out at 56mph whilst said car driver is fluctuating at random speeds, normally 48-60 mph, so i can't get passed them as havn't got the legs, but at the same time, to slot in behind them, i may actually end up braking, in which case, yet again i'm holding up the innocent and frustrated car drivers behind me. this isn't so bad on a 3 or 4 lane stretch of motorway.
now imagine this whole scenario on a motorway such as the m11 or m42, 2 lanes only. what most car drivers would see/compute is the following. truck pulls out into lane 2, slowing their progress, (due too civic) truck then appears to just randomnly be sat at 50-56mph in the 2nd of 2 lanes. finally, after a while, (once civic driver has bumbled along for a while in their own little world and finally got their arse in gear) stuck their toe down and then UNDERTAKE ME, to squeeze between me in lane 2, and the slower truck in lane 1, hence appearing to the road users behind that i'm just sat out there for the fun of it struggling for no real reason to attempt to overtake the lorry in lane 1.
once the civic has finally buggered off, (thanks) i can now safely slot back in behind the lorry in lane 1.
what often happens next, is the first 1 or 2 vehicles that have been directly behind me during this whole annoying process, as they pass me by, i'll get beeped at, and various hand gestures relating to coffee beans, so you see, damned if we do, and damned if we don't!!!!!
please feel free to ask me why trucks hog more than 2 lanes in towns and cities, when performing certain left/right turns, or maybe hog 2 lanes when approaching certain roundabouts, i'm sure myself or anyother proffesional driver here will tell you why this seemlessly blocking tactics, may have a relevance. but hey, after 20 years, what do i know.
i do know that that as with any type of driver out there, you will get a certain percentage of bad lorry drivers, and these i will not defend. but, if i think there is a genuine reason for certain actions, that may get percieved as something else, i'll defend the lorry drivers cause to the bitter end
imho, its a bit tricky because of the fish eye lens, but 'i' do think the lorry was a tad close to the 1 infront.
that said, as pointed out, the lorry driver would have had a different view from the one we are all seeing. the honda would have been sat perfectly in the blind spot. despite having 4 mirrors on my nearside of the wagon, (when in a rhd truck) you can still completely lose a car from vision when its in that danger area.
now maybe the car driver was unaware of the lorries blindspot, because lets face it, alot of car drivers struggle with the basics of driving a car, let alone them trying to comprehend what the driver of a larger vehicle, bus, truck, motorhome....whatever, may be up against, and lets face it why would they, or should they even care. i'm alright jack, and all that.
however you look at it, and from either side of the discussion, the honda is still 100% in the wrong, it doesn't matter what you, we or i think should, or should not have happened, the basic facts are, the honda was joining the flow of traffic, and unless i'm missing something here, and happy to be corrected, its plain and simple give way to the right.
we can have lorry hating car drivers preach to us all day long, about how we impede their journey, hold them up whilst qualifying for the elephant racing olympics and so on and so forth. all to quick and easy to critisize, but on what grounds do you have a 100% genuine understanding of a lorry drivers perspective.
don't get me wrong, i'm no fool, there are lorry drivers out there that are a disgrace. the recent clip of the royal mail driver on another thread being a prime example of a 100% tool. piss poor standards of driving a truck as a so called proffesional. sadly as much as i hate to admit it, elephant racing is here to stay, these days its right up there with mlm, fog/spot light muppets, tailgaters and so on, and so on.
i detest bad lorry driving as much as the rest, especially the elephant racing thing. its not all of us fortunately, but it is clearly out there and whilst the e.u continues to become a more free place to live and work, expect to see alot more of it. this industry we work in, is purely profit driven, so if big hauliers, or lets say, those hauliers that have not so high moral standards, are working on a cost effective business, peanuts and monkeys spring to mind. remember this next time your ready to jump to conclusions, when critisizing so called, 'proffesional' drivers.
back to the original clip.
lets say the truck had spotted the civic. he may then have decided to pull into lane 2 to aid the civic. so why didn't he?
maybe here is why. i used to whenever possible in this scenario, move into lane 2 to allow said civic driver to join the motorway. so why have i become so ignorant and not bother anymore? heres why.
a few things normally happen.
i pull out, remember i'm probably flat out at 56 mph. so now any approaching vehicles from behind are probably going to have to slow. not good. these vehicles will then maybe look to move into lane 3, thus also possibly causing the vehicles in lane 3 to slow. its a knock on effect thing, and we all know that many a car driver doesn't like their progress impeded by a slower vehicle.
then there is the scenario, of once i've moved out, the civic driver just kind of bumbles along at no real constant speed. so before you know it, there i am in lane 2, flat out at 56mph whilst said car driver is fluctuating at random speeds, normally 48-60 mph, so i can't get passed them as havn't got the legs, but at the same time, to slot in behind them, i may actually end up braking, in which case, yet again i'm holding up the innocent and frustrated car drivers behind me. this isn't so bad on a 3 or 4 lane stretch of motorway.
now imagine this whole scenario on a motorway such as the m11 or m42, 2 lanes only. what most car drivers would see/compute is the following. truck pulls out into lane 2, slowing their progress, (due too civic) truck then appears to just randomnly be sat at 50-56mph in the 2nd of 2 lanes. finally, after a while, (once civic driver has bumbled along for a while in their own little world and finally got their arse in gear) stuck their toe down and then UNDERTAKE ME, to squeeze between me in lane 2, and the slower truck in lane 1, hence appearing to the road users behind that i'm just sat out there for the fun of it struggling for no real reason to attempt to overtake the lorry in lane 1.
once the civic has finally buggered off, (thanks) i can now safely slot back in behind the lorry in lane 1.
what often happens next, is the first 1 or 2 vehicles that have been directly behind me during this whole annoying process, as they pass me by, i'll get beeped at, and various hand gestures relating to coffee beans, so you see, damned if we do, and damned if we don't!!!!!
please feel free to ask me why trucks hog more than 2 lanes in towns and cities, when performing certain left/right turns, or maybe hog 2 lanes when approaching certain roundabouts, i'm sure myself or anyother proffesional driver here will tell you why this seemlessly blocking tactics, may have a relevance. but hey, after 20 years, what do i know.
i do know that that as with any type of driver out there, you will get a certain percentage of bad lorry drivers, and these i will not defend. but, if i think there is a genuine reason for certain actions, that may get percieved as something else, i'll defend the lorry drivers cause to the bitter end
No matter what the truck did or didn't do, the car failed to give way to a vehicle on the right at a giveway. I approach with the hope of getting out not the expectation.
It amazes me the people who want to blame the truck driver, totally ignoring the car ddriver's total lack of judgement and moronic attempt to force its way in rather than give way.
If the trucker could see it happenint then so could the tit in the car.
It amazes me the people who want to blame the truck driver, totally ignoring the car ddriver's total lack of judgement and moronic attempt to force its way in rather than give way.
If the trucker could see it happenint then so could the tit in the car.
Humper said:
No matter what the truck did or didn't do, the car failed to give way to a vehicle on the right at a giveway. I approach with the hope of getting out not the expectation.
It amazes me the people who want to blame the truck driver, totally ignoring the car ddriver's total lack of judgement and moronic attempt to force its way in rather than give way.
If the trucker could see it happenint then so could the tit in the car.
this 100% and The idea put about by some that you can drive for everyone else is plain stupid ,the rules in the Highway Code are clearIt amazes me the people who want to blame the truck driver, totally ignoring the car ddriver's total lack of judgement and moronic attempt to force its way in rather than give way.
If the trucker could see it happenint then so could the tit in the car.
This footage should be used in an ad campaign show morons this is what happens when you don't concentrate on your driving
Hopefully the civic driver was done for driving without due care for causing a avoidable accident
And the rise of vehicles fitted with cameras the guilty won't be able to lie there way out of blame for these sort of incidents..
Edited by powerstroke on Saturday 21st December 07:49
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