MAN HX 60 18.330 fuel economy
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Finding a lot of ex-mod MAN HX60 18.330 are becoming available, some with near enough 0 miles. Been trying to find any info on running costs as it looks like an interesting candidate for an overland conversion at the current prices.
Anyone have any idea what kind of fuel economy these things get. I heard the previous generation (KAT1) burned around 40l/100km (6-7m/Ukg) which wouldn't really work in my opinion. I'm guessing there have been some improvements with the modern engine/gearbox combo, but haven't had any luck researching.
Thanks.
Anyone have any idea what kind of fuel economy these things get. I heard the previous generation (KAT1) burned around 40l/100km (6-7m/Ukg) which wouldn't really work in my opinion. I'm guessing there have been some improvements with the modern engine/gearbox combo, but haven't had any luck researching.
Thanks.
Gearing, weight and weather will all make a big difference. But for what it’s worth, I run a few MAN trucks. To use one as an example...
Unladen weight is approx 5,500kg. On the limiter, it’ll do just under 20mpg. Running at maximum train weight of 13,500kg, you can knock that back to 14mpg on the limiter. If it’s very windy, knock that back to 12mpg.
And if it’s at full weight in urban use, you’re down to high single figures.
I would guesstimate the truck above should be able to do 12-13mpg on the motorway unless the gearing is absurdly low and it’s revving it’s nuts off.
Unladen weight is approx 5,500kg. On the limiter, it’ll do just under 20mpg. Running at maximum train weight of 13,500kg, you can knock that back to 14mpg on the limiter. If it’s very windy, knock that back to 12mpg.
And if it’s at full weight in urban use, you’re down to high single figures.
I would guesstimate the truck above should be able to do 12-13mpg on the motorway unless the gearing is absurdly low and it’s revving it’s nuts off.
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Not sure hes driven far yet, but hes building one now.
Not sure hes driven far yet, but hes building one now.
cossy400 said:
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Not sure hes driven far yet, but hes building one now.
Good guess, I haven't Not sure hes driven far yet, but hes building one now.
Most of the info on here has pretty much answered your question but to add more meat to the bone....
230 litre tank and the MOD stipulate minimum 500 miles from that which is around 10mpg.
However, the expectation is more akin to 750 miles according to one MT Colour Sgt which is 14.8mpg.
The slightly lighter Daf T244 (the previous MOD 5tonne truck) with a 5.9L 145HP will manages a well documented 14mpg. And that has permanent four wheel drive whereas the MAN runs in 2wd on tarmac. So bigger engine 6.8L & 330PS through an autobox in a heavier truck. All in all, the expectation is that around where the Daf was, but with bigger load capability and better and going uphills. Well, going uphills quicker
The fuel economy of the early MAN KAT's wasn't their strong point. The originals were air cooled Deutz engines and drank fuel. The other thing to note is that under the Rheinmettal cab, they are basically a MAN TGA 4x4 (same as you see on a building site as a tipper or cement mixer). Chassis, axles, diffs, transfer box etc etc.
So the learned brains of a few people, plus some guess work and we think it can't be far away from the magic target figure of 14-15mpg. If it does 17 we are all smiles. If it does 12, it will be a bit poor, but not the end of the world. Hope that helps, sorry it was long.
FIREotter said:
Finding a lot of ex-mod MAN HX60 18.330 are becoming available, some with near enough 0 miles. Been trying to find any info on running costs as it looks like an interesting candidate for an overland conversion at the current prices.
p.s. that's my truck they used to mock that photo up 
boma said:
post revival!
Did you go ahead with this? Was just researching same MPG question and found this post... what price range do they seem to be letting go at, esp in current climate where I imagine most overlander demand is somewhat down against the previous boom?
I suspect the overlander demand is rocketing. Especially the desire to build your own now, and foxtrot Oscar after lockdown.Did you go ahead with this? Was just researching same MPG question and found this post... what price range do they seem to be letting go at, esp in current climate where I imagine most overlander demand is somewhat down against the previous boom?
I spent many years working on these and the rest of the MAN military range.
I wouldn’t dream of buying one. Over complicated, extremely unreliable, very expensive for parts and the build quality is worse than the old Leylands they replaced.
They look like a simplified road going HGV but in reality they are the total opposite.
There were in excess of 300 recalls for these things, ranging from replacing missing bungs to stop the cab leaking to replacing the gearbox (the svr gearbox at the time was 50k).
So yeah, probably best to avoid. There’s a reason the MOD are getting rid of them after only a few years.
I wouldn’t dream of buying one. Over complicated, extremely unreliable, very expensive for parts and the build quality is worse than the old Leylands they replaced.
They look like a simplified road going HGV but in reality they are the total opposite.
There were in excess of 300 recalls for these things, ranging from replacing missing bungs to stop the cab leaking to replacing the gearbox (the svr gearbox at the time was 50k).
So yeah, probably best to avoid. There’s a reason the MOD are getting rid of them after only a few years.
Ella Jean said:
I spent many years working on these and the rest of the MAN military range.
I wouldn’t dream of buying one. Over complicated, extremely unreliable, very expensive for parts and the build quality is worse than the old Leylands they replaced.
They look like a simplified road going HGV but in reality they are the total opposite.
There were in excess of 300 recalls for these things, ranging from replacing missing bungs to stop the cab leaking to replacing the gearbox (the svr gearbox at the time was 50k).
So yeah, probably best to avoid. There’s a reason the MOD are getting rid of them after only a few years.
A fascinating Post and an interesting Topic , occasionally I have contemplated a Unimog for a conversion but so far I havent made the leap .I wouldn’t dream of buying one. Over complicated, extremely unreliable, very expensive for parts and the build quality is worse than the old Leylands they replaced.
They look like a simplified road going HGV but in reality they are the total opposite.
There were in excess of 300 recalls for these things, ranging from replacing missing bungs to stop the cab leaking to replacing the gearbox (the svr gearbox at the time was 50k).
So yeah, probably best to avoid. There’s a reason the MOD are getting rid of them after only a few years.
reddiesel said:
Ella Jean said:
I spent many years working on these and the rest of the MAN military range.
I wouldn’t dream of buying one. Over complicated, extremely unreliable, very expensive for parts and the build quality is worse than the old Leylands they replaced.
They look like a simplified road going HGV but in reality they are the total opposite.
There were in excess of 300 recalls for these things, ranging from replacing missing bungs to stop the cab leaking to replacing the gearbox (the svr gearbox at the time was 50k).
So yeah, probably best to avoid. There’s a reason the MOD are getting rid of them after only a few years.
A fascinating Post and an interesting Topic , occasionally I have contemplated a Unimog for a conversion but so far I havent made the leap .I wouldn’t dream of buying one. Over complicated, extremely unreliable, very expensive for parts and the build quality is worse than the old Leylands they replaced.
They look like a simplified road going HGV but in reality they are the total opposite.
There were in excess of 300 recalls for these things, ranging from replacing missing bungs to stop the cab leaking to replacing the gearbox (the svr gearbox at the time was 50k).
So yeah, probably best to avoid. There’s a reason the MOD are getting rid of them after only a few years.
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