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Tyre Smoke said:
AJB88 said:
Really fancy wild camping somewhere, in the england, rocking up lateish, few beers and then gone early in the morning, any known spots? (I know its not technically legal)
Why do you think it's illegal?AJB88 said:
Really fancy wild camping somewhere, in the england, rocking up lateish, few beers and then gone early in the morning, any known spots? (I know its not technically legal)
Many responsible wild campers aren't sharing locations on social media, due the devastation that "fly camping" is causing in many places. (And, to be honest, your "few beers" phrase does make me twitch a little)Part of the fun is finding your own spots. It's a big enough country
Somewhere up high, out of sight, flattish and dryish is all you need. Dartmoor. Lake District, Yorkshire Dales etc.
silentbrown said:
Evanivitch said:
Because wild camping outside of Exmoor is illegal in England and Wales...
I thought we'd done this to death already. a: I suspect you mean Dartmoor, not Exmoor.
b: It's a purely civil matter. There's no "law" being broken. It's just that you have no right to camp.
You have no right to camp on someone else's property, therefore you are trespassing. Whilst that is a civil matter (in most cases), it's still illegal.
silentbrown said:
Many responsible wild campers aren't sharing locations on social media, due the devastation that "fly camping" is causing in many places. (And, to be honest, your "few beers" phrase does make me twitch a little)
Part of the fun is finding your own spots. It's a big enough country
Somewhere up high, out of sight, flattish and dryish is all you need. Dartmoor. Lake District, Yorkshire Dales etc.
Few beers would be squashed and packed up into a bag to be taken home or to the nearest bins. Part of the fun is finding your own spots. It's a big enough country
Somewhere up high, out of sight, flattish and dryish is all you need. Dartmoor. Lake District, Yorkshire Dales etc.
Evanivitch said:
Apologies, always get that bit undone.
You have no right to camp on someone else's property, therefore you are trespassing.
Yup. Camping is not a permitted activity in the CROW act, for exampleYou have no right to camp on someone else's property, therefore you are trespassing.
Evanivitch said:
Whilst that is a civil matter (in most cases), it's still illegal.
I think "Illegal" isn't the right word. No statute is broken, there's no punishment, police cannot arrest you (cf. "Criminal Trespass"). It's the same level of "illegality" as someone accidentally dinging your car with a trolley at Aldi. You could be sued for any loss that the landowner can prove, but that's it.silentbrown said:
Evanivitch said:
Apologies, always get that bit undone.
You have no right to camp on someone else's property, therefore you are trespassing.
Yup. Camping is not a permitted activity in the CROW act, for exampleYou have no right to camp on someone else's property, therefore you are trespassing.
Evanivitch said:
Whilst that is a civil matter (in most cases), it's still illegal.
I think "Illegal" isn't the right word. No statute is broken, there's no punishment, police cannot arrest you (cf. "Criminal Trespass"). It's the same level of "illegality" as someone accidentally dinging your car with a trolley at Aldi. You could be sued for any loss that the landowner can prove, but that's it.It's this kind of attitude of contempt that will see it brought into criminal law.
https://www.wirralglobe.co.uk/news/19258606.wirral...
Evanivitch said:
Civil law is still the law. If your activity breaks the law, it is illegal.
It's this kind of attitude of contempt that will see it brought into criminal law.
https://www.wirralglobe.co.uk/news/19258606.wirral...
I think you're mistaken, but happy to be educated.It's this kind of attitude of contempt that will see it brought into criminal law.
https://www.wirralglobe.co.uk/news/19258606.wirral...
As I understand it a breach of criminal law would be illegal. Civil law is there to allow people / organisations to enforce their rights. So criminal trespass is illegal, civil trespass isn't.
Nothing to do with attitude, unless it's attitude towards the english language.
Just on tents....I see Alpkit have brought a couple of interesting tents out.
If it had been in time for my May LEJoG, I'd have gone with the inflatable Aeronaut 2 - 1.5kg, use bike pump to inflate!
For hiking, the sub-1kg Polestar uses walking poles & looks decent.
In reality, I had splurged a bit more (225 in a sale) on a somewhat larger Force Ten Xenon 2+ - it worked great, but weight that little more at 2.4kg.
For cycling, that was fine, & luxuriously large for just me.....for hiking - perhaps for 2 people
If it had been in time for my May LEJoG, I'd have gone with the inflatable Aeronaut 2 - 1.5kg, use bike pump to inflate!
For hiking, the sub-1kg Polestar uses walking poles & looks decent.
In reality, I had splurged a bit more (225 in a sale) on a somewhat larger Force Ten Xenon 2+ - it worked great, but weight that little more at 2.4kg.
For cycling, that was fine, & luxuriously large for just me.....for hiking - perhaps for 2 people
SpeckledJim said:
LargeRed said:
I'm not sure that photo fully encompasses the magic! 
What's the huge blue thing?
inside the vehicle is a hanging rail wardrobe and general storage. the tailgate lifts up to allow a slide-out floor that holds the fridge, cooker food storage and sink.
not allowing for covid over the past 2yrs, I go away for 6mths of the year from April - Sept, and have done for the past 6yrs.
I was fortune to retire at 48, some 18yrs ago.
My hotel for tonight. I decided to do the South Downs Way (cycling), and massively underestimated how tough it would be, and massively overestimated how fit I am. Despite having some bike bags I'm still carrying way too much on my back.
44 miles and 5,600 ft in, and more to look forward to tomorrow. I may cut it short...
daddy cool said:
My hotel for tonight. I decided to do the South Downs Way (cycling), and massively underestimated how tough it would be, and massively overestimated how fit I am. Despite having some bike bags I'm still carrying way too much on my back.
44 miles and 5,600 ft in, and more to look forward to tomorrow. I may cut it short...
Managed to finish it, but was the toughest thing ive done. Yeah, that rucksack is too big, but the main problem was i was carry too much water in it - up to 2 litres at times. In fact, had i planned it better i could have carried a fraction of that and kept topping up at the fairly frequent drinking water taps. I just get paranoid about getting dehydrated.
Day 1 - 44 miles & 5610 ft https://www.strava.com/activities/5840951309
Day 2 - 56 miles & 6043 ft https://www.strava.com/activities/5840952044
Day 1 - 44 miles & 5610 ft https://www.strava.com/activities/5840951309
Day 2 - 56 miles & 6043 ft https://www.strava.com/activities/5840952044
daddy cool said:
Managed to finish it, but was the toughest thing ive done. Yeah, that rucksack is too big, but the main problem was i was carry too much water in it - up to 2 litres at times. In fact, had i planned it better i could have carried a fraction of that and kept topping up at the fairly frequent drinking water taps. I just get paranoid about getting dehydrated.
Day 1 - 44 miles & 5610 ft https://www.strava.com/activities/5840951309
Day 2 - 56 miles & 6043 ft https://www.strava.com/activities/5840952044
A water filter is the first thing in my bag for camping and hiking.Day 1 - 44 miles & 5610 ft https://www.strava.com/activities/5840951309
Day 2 - 56 miles & 6043 ft https://www.strava.com/activities/5840952044
Invaluable and not only bailed me out of some thirsty situations, it also means I am carrying a lighter load.
I use a Sawyer Mini but there are loads of others.
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