Russian Threat
Discussion
How real is the Russian threat we keep hearing about in the news and why are they being demonised in the press (genuine question as I'm not well informed on this, hence this post)?
Why, once the darlings of the left in the UK, are they now seemingly viewed as the villains by the liberal establishment?
Why, once the darlings of the left in the UK, are they now seemingly viewed as the villains by the liberal establishment?
There was a very interesting discussion about this on LBC the other day.
Numerous callers from the Army, Navy and RAF phoned in pretty much saying all the same thing:
Our forces have developed or changed in the wrong way over the last 10 years, and if Russia actually mounted a non-nuclear attack on us with the intent to invade, we would last a little under 24 hours before they had won and it was all over. That is an accepted fact apparently.
That is just the threat from their military, not taking into account their vastly advanced cyber, tech and media capabilities.
The worst part of all this is, that some of the right-wing in this country have actually started to look up to Putian and Russia as a good example of how to 'do things', which in itself is incredibly messed up beyond belief.
I have seen many videos of Putin circulating on social media, and the comments below from UK individuals are mostly cheering him on as a great example of how to treat gays/muslims/brown people/LGBT/criminals etc etc.
They don't seem to realise that Putin really is the enemy. A real live enemy.
Numerous callers from the Army, Navy and RAF phoned in pretty much saying all the same thing:
Our forces have developed or changed in the wrong way over the last 10 years, and if Russia actually mounted a non-nuclear attack on us with the intent to invade, we would last a little under 24 hours before they had won and it was all over. That is an accepted fact apparently.
That is just the threat from their military, not taking into account their vastly advanced cyber, tech and media capabilities.
The worst part of all this is, that some of the right-wing in this country have actually started to look up to Putian and Russia as a good example of how to 'do things', which in itself is incredibly messed up beyond belief.
I have seen many videos of Putin circulating on social media, and the comments below from UK individuals are mostly cheering him on as a great example of how to treat gays/muslims/brown people/LGBT/criminals etc etc.
They don't seem to realise that Putin really is the enemy. A real live enemy.
How real is the threat though?
All we hear are sounbites such as "thousands, upon thousands,.....upon (yet another) thousands" are going to be killed when Russia sabotages our infrastructure. That's pure hyperbole.
One thing is for certain, if there was any real chance of that we would not be told about it. It strikes me as pure propoganda and I wonder what's behind it.
(PS: I can't be manipulated by the media or anyone else for that matter, I'm a died in the wool sceptic and have been since childhood)
All we hear are sounbites such as "thousands, upon thousands,.....upon (yet another) thousands" are going to be killed when Russia sabotages our infrastructure. That's pure hyperbole.
One thing is for certain, if there was any real chance of that we would not be told about it. It strikes me as pure propoganda and I wonder what's behind it.
(PS: I can't be manipulated by the media or anyone else for that matter, I'm a died in the wool sceptic and have been since childhood)
Lotobear said:
How real is the threat though?
All we hear are sounbites such as "thousands, upon thousands,.....upon (yet another) thousands" are going to be killed when Russia sabotages our infrastructure. That's pure hyperbole.
One thing is for certain, if there was any real chance of that we would not be told about it. It strikes me as pure propoganda and I wonder what's behind it.
(PS: I can't be manipulated by the media or anyone else for that matter, I'm a died in the wool sceptic and have been since childhood)
With your last comment, be very careful not to sound daft. All we hear are sounbites such as "thousands, upon thousands,.....upon (yet another) thousands" are going to be killed when Russia sabotages our infrastructure. That's pure hyperbole.
One thing is for certain, if there was any real chance of that we would not be told about it. It strikes me as pure propoganda and I wonder what's behind it.
(PS: I can't be manipulated by the media or anyone else for that matter, I'm a died in the wool sceptic and have been since childhood)
You might be being manipulated by the people posting on this thread for all you know. You have no idea if people posting here are setting out scenarios and opinions with the intention of gaining your concurrence, with the intention of having you rail against those opinions and viewpoints, or with no motive at all.
for me it is just standard recycling of demons so at least a large whack of the general population are scared of something that the government can "protect" them from.
there are very few countries as a whole people should be scared of. when entire countries are touted as bad in the west what is really meant is their politicians . i doubt very much ordinary russian citizens with the same everyday worries as most people want to start coming over here and making us all polonium tea for instance.
the answer to this is to kill all politicians worldwide, then anyone that shows any inkling of wanting to be a politician in the future , world peace will ensue , maybe
there are very few countries as a whole people should be scared of. when entire countries are touted as bad in the west what is really meant is their politicians . i doubt very much ordinary russian citizens with the same everyday worries as most people want to start coming over here and making us all polonium tea for instance.
the answer to this is to kill all politicians worldwide, then anyone that shows any inkling of wanting to be a politician in the future , world peace will ensue , maybe
Lotobear said:
How real is the Russian threat we keep hearing about in the news and why are they being demonised in the press (genuine question as I'm not well informed on this, hence this post)?
Why, once the darlings of the left in the UK, are they now seemingly viewed as the villains by the liberal establishment?
As a 53 year old leftie I'm not sure I ever remember them being the darlings of the left. When I was young they were even more feared than they are now. But perhaps the current concern comes because the US has a President that cant tell his backside from his elbow.Why, once the darlings of the left in the UK, are they now seemingly viewed as the villains by the liberal establishment?
Herr Kampff,
Not sure whether that's an ad hom or just an obtuse comment, either way it's gone over my feeble head!
So, back to the original question, how real is the threat? Genuine question, I really am interested to know whether there is a prescient threat from Russia or not?
I'm not seeing one myself but perhaps that's beacause I'm ignoring the 'news'
Not sure whether that's an ad hom or just an obtuse comment, either way it's gone over my feeble head!
So, back to the original question, how real is the threat? Genuine question, I really am interested to know whether there is a prescient threat from Russia or not?
I'm not seeing one myself but perhaps that's beacause I'm ignoring the 'news'
coanda said:
How do you feel about being manipulated by the media (unknowingly) using fake information supplied by Russia in order to further its political aim, or, just for Putins amusement?
How do you feel about being manipulated by the establishment press media and politicians using fake information made up by soros clinton and co in order to push their left wing political aim.Growth up
Unemployment down
Pound up
No apocalypse because of brexit.
Quick bring out the Russian Boogeyman.
I, too, don't think Russia is a real threat to us or anyone else at present. The ideological differences are dead and buried, and Russia would prefer to trade it's vast resources for harder currency. But, some want a bogeyman to justify their own actions or aims.
I think the US/Israel/Saudi axis is a far bigger threat to world peace.
I think the US/Israel/Saudi axis is a far bigger threat to world peace.
Personally, I don’t think they’re an offensive threat. I think their actions mean, you can never take us on - and vice versa - it’s MAD in conventional and non-military terms as well as nuclear. It’s all part of the push back against NATO expansion and their need to redress the balance a little. I also think they are extremely shrewd and cunning. Something we seem to have lost.
However, imagine for a second they were a serious threat, the approach the govt are takng is totally wrong. A weak, wobbly, flacid response. A wiser response would be to keep our cards ose to our chest and point out that we too have a broad range of defences. As we know we have. We’re not likely to face any conflict on our own either. Very unedifying.
However, imagine for a second they were a serious threat, the approach the govt are takng is totally wrong. A weak, wobbly, flacid response. A wiser response would be to keep our cards ose to our chest and point out that we too have a broad range of defences. As we know we have. We’re not likely to face any conflict on our own either. Very unedifying.
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