Cadence clutching? The future of driving?
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I've just nicked this out of someones profile, i found it bloody hilarious and i hope you do to..
The best bit is even the slowest Punto i can find on Parkers hit's 96mph, maybe on Gran Turismo you have to press special buttons
See if you can guess who this numpty is? First person get's a Mars bar....
Cheers,
Rob.
>>> Edited by Rob_F on Saturday 5th March 00:27
someone said:
The 1.2 runs out of steam past 60mph. Cadence-clutching and careful gearing can see you hit about 70, but by then the engine sounds like it's about to die, and you get terminal torque-steer
The best bit is even the slowest Punto i can find on Parkers hit's 96mph, maybe on Gran Turismo you have to press special buttons
See if you can guess who this numpty is? First person get's a Mars bar....
Cheers,
Rob.
>>> Edited by Rob_F on Saturday 5th March 00:27
Rob_F said:
check out andy walsh's dvd, an education
Does it teach you how to get "terminal torque-steer" at 70mph in a 1.2 Punto, or do you have to use "the force" to induce purely fictional bollox like that?
Cheers,
Rob.
and it must be a punto putting out a lot whole lot of power to torque steer at 70mph!
Are you stupid? It's nothing to do with power 
Yep, nothing to do with torque or unequal length driveshafts, one dodgy steering rack is all you need to get yourself torque steering down the motorway at 70mph in a 1.2 Punto.
Best bit is he then goes on to say
Erm y'wha? 'Course i'd love to use this amazingly shite steering rack which (magically it seems) can send a shoppping trolly swerving off down the road under acceleration at 70MPH in my car... erm..
Cheers,
Rob.
v8thunder said:
It's a documented problem on Fiat group cars of this era - the Alfa 164 suffered markedly from it, but this being one of the first Puntos with RHD, it never received the new-style steering rack developed from the 164 in about 1993, so as a result it does pull to left and right under acceleration.
Yep, nothing to do with torque or unequal length driveshafts, one dodgy steering rack is all you need to get yourself torque steering down the motorway at 70mph in a 1.2 Punto.
Best bit is he then goes on to say
v8thunder said:
Kit Car builders may like the steering rack, though.
Erm y'wha? 'Course i'd love to use this amazingly shite steering rack which (magically it seems) can send a shoppping trolly swerving off down the road under acceleration at 70MPH in my car... erm..
Cheers,
Rob.
Isn't it amazing how one misused term can provoke a whole load of squabbling. I suppose everything I do to that pitiful car could be described as 'thrashing'. OK, none of it's good for the car at all, but as I've said, it's because it's 1. underpowered and 2. not my car. I pump the clutch when the car runs out of steam to allow the engine a few free revs with the clutch plates disconnected, so that when they reconnect, one is moving a little faster and it induces a little more momentum for a little while, just enough to take something that struggles at 60 to 70, so people on the motorway don't think I'm a MLM. Seeing as though the motion on the clutch pedal is similar to that on the brake when you do cadence-braking, I call it cadence-clutching. I assumed people on here would understand.
It's NOT recommended if you want to preserve your car, but this car isn't mine, it's a shagged-out shitheap and I'm the only person who takes it near motorways. I personally wouldn't buy a car so underpowered as I wouldn't want to resort to knackering it every time I wanted to do a long-distance journey.
As for the steering rack, well, now I know it wasn't torque-steer. I was under the impression that torque steer was something that happens to FWD cars when you accelerate and find the wheel pulling in one direction or the other. I now see how an excess of torque could cause that, but this is what happens in this particular car when you accelerate as hard as you can, and it seemed to tally with an article in a book I have to hand about an Alfa Romeo 164, which used a standard Fiat steering rack and suffered from torque steer. They later corrected the problem with the Lancia Delta Integrale's steering rack, but it was LHD only, and took a while for the RHD one to be developed which eventually found its way onto Fiat's range.
I suggested that, in another car, the Punto's steering rack might be of use as the feel through it is more vivid than most of the PAS'd superminis from the likes of Volkswagen. The Fereday Vario and Onyx Firecat, for example, are a kit cars that use supermini donors in their construction, and the Punto's rack is recommended as, compared with the other main option of a VW Polo's, it's more accurate.
I haven't been making anything up to sound impressive, I've just been interpreting things I've noticed and things I've done in the car, no more, no less.
However, Rob, through your posts you sound like a driving genius and technical God, yet when I look at your profile I can't seem to find your vast cavalcades of sports cars owned, race series participated in, accolades from industry insiders and your entertaining and informative articles on 'how to make even the most basic of cars outperform Italian exotics', instead, I can only find a shot of you pretending to be Morrissey. Could you answer this discrepancy, at all?
V8thunder said:
when I look at your profile I can't seem to find your vast cavalcades of sports cars owned, race series participated in, accolades from industry insiders and your entertaining and informative articles on 'how to make even the most basic of cars outperform Italian exotics', instead, I can only find a shot of you pretending to be Morrissey. Could you answer this discrepancy, at all?
There is a simple answer - I don't need to bullshit all the time in a vein attempt to make myself seem more intelligent or interesting than i am, nor boast about my accomplishments. This board is now scattered with posts correcting what you say, which wouldn't be so bad if you didn't have to state everything as fact when it seems you have no real experience in matters you are all to willing to offer your 'expert' advice on. I don't find it a problem to not know about something because i'm not afflicted with little man syndrome - personally i think this is a far better position to take then babbling crap about everything.
Now i was about to write a thrilling article on "How to spot someone talking out of their arsehole at 100 paces" but i'm going to go out and enjoy myself instead.
Byeeee,
Rob.
Rob_F said:
I don't need to bullshit all the time in a vein attempt to make myself seem more intelligent or interesting than i am, nor boast about my accomplishments.
Well you seem to be quick to state from some kind of authority the opposite of what I've said. If I'm 'bullshitting' and you're not, I expect to find some source of authority, done on PH through information on profiles. When I click on yours I find you're nothing more special than I am, so you might as well be 'bullshitting'. And for the record, I find you neither intelligent nor interesting. And I don't think I've boasted about any accomplishments either.
Rob_F said:
This board is now scattered with posts correcting what you say
All started by you over the course of the last couple of hours. Funny that.
Rob_F said:
which wouldn't be so bad if you didn't have to state everything as fact when it seems you have no real experience in matters you are all to willing to offer your 'expert' advice on. I don't find it a problem to not know about something because i'm not afflicted with little man syndrome - personally i think this is a far better position to take then babbling crap about everything.
I have offered opinions and interjections based on stuff I've seen and done. Everyone on PH does this, it's called conversation. I never said I was an 'expert' of any kind at all, and I haven't, so far as I'm aware, offered advice of any kind other than what cars to buy when someone gives a description of what they're after. 'Little man syndrome'? Now YOU'RE talking bollox - what's this? I haven't acted like some tin-pot Mussolini, I've just offered opinions on a few topics. Funnily enough, I've found you quite eager to speak from some kind of position of authority on several occasions today, with far more certainty and conviction (yet without example) than me, so I'm still waiting to find out more about you.
Rob_F said:
Now i was about to write a thrilling article on "How to spot someone talking out of their arsehole at 100 paces" but i'm going to go out and enjoy myself instead.
Byeeee,
Rob.
Again, there's nothing I've said that I've lied about, made up or otherwise - I've just reflected on a few experiences, perhaps I used the wrong terminology here and there but I haven't claimed to be an 'expert' of any calibre. You, on the other hand, have been supremely confident and technically authoritative throughout, so pardon me for mistaking you for some hardened track veteran. You want to avoid looking like a bullshitter? Put something more than a portrait photo on your profile. You obviously want everyone to recognise you, but don't want them to know anything else about you.
'Byeeee'.
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Bloody students......
Rob_F said:
Yep, nothing to do with torque or unequal length driveshafts, one dodgy steering rack is all you need to get yourself torque steering down the motorway at 70mph in a 1.2 Punto.
Interestingly.....
GTM Cars Ltd have recently had the Libra shaken down by the MG Rover Touring Car people and amongst a raft of small tweaks to the car they have spec'ed a new steering rack since the LHD-fitted-upside-down-Metro rack has a different pre-load on the pinion since it was designed for a FWD car. This sounds a little like what our Punto friend was suggesting..........
However, don't let me get in the way of some spectacular pisstaking.
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