RE: Government firms up road charging plans
Discussion
No mention of fitting these things to motorcycles yet I notice. Hopefully we'll be exempt since we don't cause congestion on bikes anyway. Be nice to lose the road tax and fuel excise too. 
If they do issue them for bikes I wonder if they'll be able to supply me with a 6 volt positive earth satnav system for my Matchless G80
If they do issue them for bikes I wonder if they'll be able to supply me with a 6 volt positive earth satnav system for my Matchless G80
Seems to me that, in addition to all the reasons already put forward why this is a dreadful idea, there is another. Some parts of out public transport simply can't cope with more people. I travel into London on the Reading-Waterloo trainline and, for a period between 7:00 and 8:30, the trains on this line are pretty much standing room only from Twickenham onwards and the trains are running at about every 8 minutes. I don't reckon that there's all that much spare capacity there.
It seems to me that a better way to resolve the congestion is encouraging or, if it needs it, forcing time shifting of start and end times for both businesses and educational establishments. Why does the whole country need to operate on a 9:00-17:30 schedule? I realise that it is important for a lot of industry sectors to work when they're dependant sectors are also working but, I'm sure a lot of businesses could just as easily work 11:00-19:30 or even 07:00-15:30, there is still plenty of overlap!
It seems to me that a better way to resolve the congestion is encouraging or, if it needs it, forcing time shifting of start and end times for both businesses and educational establishments. Why does the whole country need to operate on a 9:00-17:30 schedule? I realise that it is important for a lot of industry sectors to work when they're dependant sectors are also working but, I'm sure a lot of businesses could just as easily work 11:00-19:30 or even 07:00-15:30, there is still plenty of overlap!
tallbloke said:
No mention of fitting these things to motorcycles yet I notice. Hopefully we'll be exempt since we don't cause congestion on bikes anyway. Be nice to lose the road tax and fuel excise too.
If they do issue them for bikes I wonder if they'll be able to supply me with a 6 volt positive earth satnav system for my Matchless G80
Don't worry! They will have banned all classic cars & bikes by then,(they are environmentally unfriendly you know.)Think of the kittens etc
.If you listen hard, you can almost hear the sound of moving goalposts.
I really think they have gone too far this time what a bunch of W#~&%$s. I would really like to know how many votes a motorists
political party would get? Maybe we should start one if 50% of all drivers riders etc voted that would be upwards of 13million votes!!! 
How many did the current communist (sorry labour) party get? The party could use all the future money put aside for bombing the crap
out of any country that dares to have a different way of life to us to provide a properly maintained and useful road and public transport network. On the bright side I believe it would nearly be impossible to implement, remember the bright idea of computerising all NHS records a few years back?
Enough said
www.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30100-1184503,00.html
being discused here as well, out of the 50 odd replies only one is in favor of the scheme, most people seem to have the right idea.
so why the f
k did they vote the cnuts back in then?
being discused here as well, out of the 50 odd replies only one is in favor of the scheme, most people seem to have the right idea.
so why the f
k did they vote the cnuts back in then?Crazy of Cookham said:
Why is always an attack on drivers. Lets have some positive policies. Spend some of the money on a monorail over M25 between heathrow and Gatwick forget car sharing get a real alternative. Large free carparks at rail stations. Truth is the current rail capacity cannot take additional people unless they go to work at lunchtime and come home at midnight.
I had to laugh at the TV reporting of this proposal.
Some TV reporter gets to stand on a motorway bridge and say his piece.
Underneath, on the three lane motorway, some absolutely schocking lane discipline can be seen.
It doesn't matter how wide the road is, if folks don't know how to use it properly, then it will congest very easily.
My solution is to strictly enforce lane discipline. That way more cars will use the same road more efficiently.
Well it didn't take long for this 'New Labour' to come up with another tax after getting back in office - did it??
Am I completley thick or am I missing something here as I thought we already had a much cheaper pay per mile system of tax in place? - Tax on petrol - the more miles you drive, the more you use- the more you pay.
When will these tts work out that we don't all rush out and sit in jams because we like it or because we have nothing better to do but because we have to. Congestion?? A high proportion is caused by road planning that is cack - I can't beleive they can be so stupid so they must be designing roads with bottle necks to cause congestion. An example would be driving through London at 2am - still takes ages because of all the stupid lights that make you wait forever when there's no one else about -Its 2005 I'm sure lights could work better if they wanted them to.
As for Blair, I'd like to thank all those stupid w*nkers that voted him in again. However I find ironic that he can run around the world forcing democracy on other countries, when he is only in power by around a litle more than a third of the vote.
AAARRRRRRRRRGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
Am I completley thick or am I missing something here as I thought we already had a much cheaper pay per mile system of tax in place? - Tax on petrol - the more miles you drive, the more you use- the more you pay.
When will these t
ts work out that we don't all rush out and sit in jams because we like it or because we have nothing better to do but because we have to. Congestion?? A high proportion is caused by road planning that is cack - I can't beleive they can be so stupid so they must be designing roads with bottle necks to cause congestion. An example would be driving through London at 2am - still takes ages because of all the stupid lights that make you wait forever when there's no one else about -Its 2005 I'm sure lights could work better if they wanted them to. As for Blair, I'd like to thank all those
stupid w*nkers that voted him in again. However I find ironic that he can run around the world forcing democracy on other countries, when he is only in power by around a litle more than a third of the vote. AAARRRRRRRRRGHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
Guzzi Steve said:
I wonder if they'll be able to supply me with a 6 volt positive earth satnav system for my Matchless G80
They will have banned all classic cars & bikes by then,(they are environmentally unfriendly you know.)Think of the kittens etc
I remember a fiction story in Bike magazine donkeys years ago about owd codgers having to meet in the dead of night to ride their Nortons and Guzzis...
I'm confused! 
Is this the same Government that has just refused the popular Manchester Metro Link Trams system money to expand? Over to you Mr Prescot!
The Metro Trams in Manchester are SO FULL, you have to back onto them, otherwise you'd never turn round to get off! Oh! I can't wait to use "public transport"
Is this the same Government that has just refused the popular Manchester Metro Link Trams system money to expand? Over to you Mr Prescot! The Metro Trams in Manchester are SO FULL, you have to back onto them, otherwise you'd never turn round to get off! Oh! I can't wait to use "public transport"
Gixer said:
As for Blair, I'd like to thank all those
A third of the vote? Guess again! Labour recived 9.5 million votes. That's votes from only 21.6% of the population who are eligable to vote. Yet they hold 55% of parliamentary seats!
This will lead to economic collapse or serious civil disorder. I can't see how they'll possibly get away with it.
cortinaman said:
aparently according to that 100% truth-telling site sky news,only 16% of the public are against the charge.
A Mori poll suggests only 16% would defy the government, while around 34% were opposed (don't know if that includes the 16%). I think I'm one of the 16%.
>> Edited by Witchfinder on Thursday 9th June 08:35
cortinaman said:
aparently according to that 100% truth-telling site sky news,only 16% of the public are against the charge.
now there is a statistic that realy is 100% bullshit.
darling would you kindly f.o.a.d.a.s.a.p.....along with the rest of the slimey shits you work with.
I've just been watching ITV news on the idiot box, and their poll says that 90% are against it.
Which seems about right to me.
It's a dead in the water policy proposal. Watch it get kicked into the long grass in Parliament today.
The only question left is why we pay folks to come up with these obviously unworkable ideas in the first place.
Isn't there some litter needs picking up ?
how do they know only 16% will defy the gov - who did they ask - Not me !!
some granny out collecting her pension who wont be about in 10-15 to care in the first place !!
so some chav out collecting his dole/fix knowing he wont ever have a motor !!
I agree with the peeps who say its a decoy - i'm sure we'll find out why soon ? Gulf War 3 anyone ?
some granny out collecting her pension who wont be about in 10-15 to care in the first place !!
so some chav out collecting his dole/fix knowing he wont ever have a motor !!
I agree with the peeps who say its a decoy - i'm sure we'll find out why soon ? Gulf War 3 anyone ?
dcb said:
The only question left is why we pay folks to come up with these obviously unworkable ideas in the first place.
Two words: Think Tanks.
These fervent idealists are grasped, foaming at the mouth, straight out of politics and philosophy courses at university. They are set to work on statistics, and are essentially closeted from the real world. Driven by their own self-righteous lentilism, they come up with hare-brained schemes.
And this is these peoples jobs. They get paid lots of money to do that. They see no need for driving cars, leaving London, private services, going on holiday to anywhere decadent or basically justifying enjoying anything.
And that, my friends, is where your policies come from. That is what the world is coming to
tallbloke said:
No mention of fitting these things to motorcycles yet I notice. Hopefully we'll be exempt since we don't cause congestion on bikes anyway. Be nice to lose the road tax and fuel excise too.
If they do issue them for bikes I wonder if they'll be able to supply me with a 6 volt positive earth satnav system for my Matchless G80
With one of those you probably don't get much past walking speed so won't be covering many miles in a day. The technology won't be able to see you moving at all
. Boosted.
>> Edited by Boosted LS1 on Friday 10th June 20:40
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