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Its unlikely the Lada cost 100k
Plenty of people gave their time, expertise and material for free on that job (inside knowledge and all that) and the staff had great fun doing it as well.... Remember it is still a company that is inhabited with many small boys who haven`t yet grown up....
Haz
Plenty of people gave their time, expertise and material for free on that job (inside knowledge and all that) and the staff had great fun doing it as well.... Remember it is still a company that is inhabited with many small boys who haven`t yet grown up....
Haz
Hazzer said: Its unlikely the Lada cost 100k
Plenty of people gave their time, expertise and material for free on that job (inside knowledge and all that) and the staff had great fun doing it as well.... Remember it is still a company that is inhabited with many small boys who haven`t yet grown up....
Haz
A thousand hours at £90 an hour plus 10 grand for parts, does that sound right?
In fairness they said it *would* have cost £100k to do it if you asked Lotus to do the same, not that it *did* cost Lotus.
Anyone that subscribes to the OLC will realise why Lotus agreed to do it - namely free advertising for their engineering department, and the fact that the people doing it (like the engine guy) saw it just as a great bit of fun.
I would imagine also that at this time of the year they haven't got much "real" work to do - and we don't know if the BBC paid them or not to do it - lets say they paid £50k payment - £50k for a 10min item is quite cheap compared to normal TV show budgets for prime time TV!
J
Anyone that subscribes to the OLC will realise why Lotus agreed to do it - namely free advertising for their engineering department, and the fact that the people doing it (like the engine guy) saw it just as a great bit of fun.
I would imagine also that at this time of the year they haven't got much "real" work to do - and we don't know if the BBC paid them or not to do it - lets say they paid £50k payment - £50k for a 10min item is quite cheap compared to normal TV show budgets for prime time TV!
J
I loved the White Van Man bit. First, Clarkson takes the p*ss out of all of them. Then they take turns destroying that Transit.
Best bit? The guy who's into Steely Dan sits on the starting line, revs it up and stalls. Camera pans to the other White Van Men rolling on the ground laughing. Good stuff!
MDG.
Best bit? The guy who's into Steely Dan sits on the starting line, revs it up and stalls. Camera pans to the other White Van Men rolling on the ground laughing. Good stuff!
MDG.
flasher said: Having had a go in Maser 3200 (the twin turbo one with auto box) I can definitley say it was as quick as a Cerbera and the handling was fine too. Inside it was beautifully built and equipped and you could actually seat, in comfort, two adults in the back...the Maser is miles better than any Jaguar (IMO) and it's a second hand bargain to boot. You can have a mint 20K miler for around 30K now, which is excellent.
I remember brutallising a 3.2 on a Tangerine Supercar Challenge day last year and being similarly impressed.
Shame the boomerang lights have gone (pandering to the US market again, eh?
) but the Ferrari sourced lump under the bonnet has, elsewhere in the printed auto press, been drooled over; and I agree on the interior - I thunk they're rather luvverley. Looks like Jezza's been spoiled by his AMG!
Thought the RS6 and E55 AMG piece was a slice of proper TG; Nick Mason just casually strolling along Mansionville - what a geezer! The Audi sounded like a doodlebug in mid channel flight whilst the curious E shape continues to seduce me (saw one this AM - [just a CDi 270] - but it looked v.classy).
Overall, the best one so far for me. The JPS Lada was for some reason utterly compelling - seeing a real conversion rather than a half-arsed MP attempt. Tres amusent.
I am astonished that people find reason to complain about TG, it's got cars in it, it's amusing, it's diverse, it's informative, it's the only car show I get to watch without getting earache! Clarkson is an entertainer who likes cars, you don't have to hang on his every word. I think it is spot on and there simply is no alternative..........(Santa can I have an RS6 please?)
Dr Jekyll said:
wedg1e said: Couple of points.... I'd bet that Skodas have won their class in the RAC rally more often than Vauxhalls... there is a link between the Porsche 911 and the Skoda Estelle that is more than the layout of the engine/ gearbox:
The Skoda Estelle is only a licence built 1960's Renault.
News to me. See this months Practical Classics....
Ian
Clarkson: over opinionated idiot, funny but an idiot - also too heavily reliant on what car "he" drives or what car he is "offered".
Used to slag fords, then got a Cossie FOC, all of a sudden Fords were brilliant (including the Fiesta!) then Jag, he would never accept that other cars were/are better than his 355 (which he hardly drove btw) even when the 360M came out - no no no no no its not as good as a 355.
TG: beginning to warm to it - lets face it we are all watching it to comment!
Maserati Vs Jag: well sorry I beg to differ - the 3200 is not that good a car, Ferrari cast offs from what I see, its dumpy and JC had it pretty spot on "stuck between Jag/Aston and Ferrari" the handling was/is terible, even with TC switched on!
The fit and finish is like Ferraris of old - not good.
Nice engine and Honda styling.
Maserati has made some very very poor cars in the past - its only up until the 60's they were mainly good.
Jaguar - several times Le Mans winners, don't forget the SS, XK120, XK150, C-Type, D-type, XKSS, E-Type (FFS!), XJ6, MkII, XJ13, 6.0ltr XJS-R, XJ220, XJ15, and the saturday morning club specials (XK180, etc) and soon to be F-Type and M3 killing X-Type R.
Compared to Maserati their portfolio extends a bit further than a few race winning machines and some very dodgy saloons.
Iam not saying Maserati is without victories - of course it is, but to say they make things better than Jaguar (or Mr Lyons) have ever built is just plain daft!
XKRR over a 3200 anyday imho.
Used to slag fords, then got a Cossie FOC, all of a sudden Fords were brilliant (including the Fiesta!) then Jag, he would never accept that other cars were/are better than his 355 (which he hardly drove btw) even when the 360M came out - no no no no no its not as good as a 355.
TG: beginning to warm to it - lets face it we are all watching it to comment!
Maserati Vs Jag: well sorry I beg to differ - the 3200 is not that good a car, Ferrari cast offs from what I see, its dumpy and JC had it pretty spot on "stuck between Jag/Aston and Ferrari" the handling was/is terible, even with TC switched on!
The fit and finish is like Ferraris of old - not good.
Nice engine and Honda styling.
Maserati has made some very very poor cars in the past - its only up until the 60's they were mainly good.
Jaguar - several times Le Mans winners, don't forget the SS, XK120, XK150, C-Type, D-type, XKSS, E-Type (FFS!), XJ6, MkII, XJ13, 6.0ltr XJS-R, XJ220, XJ15, and the saturday morning club specials (XK180, etc) and soon to be F-Type and M3 killing X-Type R.
Compared to Maserati their portfolio extends a bit further than a few race winning machines and some very dodgy saloons.
Iam not saying Maserati is without victories - of course it is, but to say they make things better than Jaguar (or Mr Lyons) have ever built is just plain daft!
XKRR over a 3200 anyday imho.
S2Elise said:
Maserati has made some very very poor cars in the past
Hmmm so has Jag. Remember the cars of the '70s or early '80s? Totally s**t. Rubbish quality and terrible design. Am not just knocking Jag though, most other british cars were the same (BL etc...) at the time.
Have to agree though, Jag are better than maserati at the moment (both old mens cars mind you
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It wasn't down to Jaguar over the quality issues, Sir Lyons sold to Leyland thinking they would take the marque to new levels with the finances they had as a (very) large company - instead they ruined Jaguar, Rover and totally lost Triumph, Riley, Austin, etc!!!
Design? I still think all their cars have been fantastic, the worst are still much better than average.
Sir John Egan saved them with the HE engines and the XJ40 - hence his knighthood.
Design? I still think all their cars have been fantastic, the worst are still much better than average.
Sir John Egan saved them with the HE engines and the XJ40 - hence his knighthood.
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