BP Ultimate 102
Discussion
vesuvius996 said:
Some feedback then......
It is FANTASTIC that BP are supporting motor sport and the much battered and maligned sports car enthusiast, and this is to be applauded loud and clear. The intent of this move makes me WANT DESPERATELY to support BP and use their products.
BIG ROUND OF APPLAUSE FOR BP....
However I reckon that they would garner more support and indeed make more money and have a wider impact by also providing something analogous to Shell V Power (available on the continent) which is (IIRC) 100 Octaneand only a little more expensive than 95.
I am 1000% prepared to pay a few pence a litre more to buy Ultimate 95 rather than supermarket rubbish, I am also 1000% happy to pay a few pence a litre more for Ultimate 97 than Ultimate 95, but I WOULD BE TEN THOUSAND percent happy to pay a few pence more again for V Power or its equivalent. A recent trip to France fuelled by a few tanks of V Power had my base 911 feeling like it was running on a mix of rocket fuel and pure smooth whipped cream. Lovely!!!
A sticker inside my Porsche filler neck says "at least 98 Octane Super" which I can't get (Optimax is 98 so I am afraid I tend to use that at the moment with Ultimate 97 as the backup....)
PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE BP can we have a 100 Octane V Power equivalent to use every day for a few pence more that Ultimate 97
If you were to provide this V Power equivalent here for, say 105p/l then I am sure that pretty much every PHer would gladly shell out (geddit?!) for the extra couple of quid a tank and use BP fuels exclusively.....
Good effort though - I'll be buying an "Ayrton Senna's" worth today, just to see
>> Edited by vesuvius996 on Monday 24th April 11:52
>> Edited by vesuvius996 on Monday 24th April 11:52
You on drugs?????????????
How about some real petrol, namely leaded.
www.leadedpetrol.co.uk/
If you look a the tech specs, it has a RON of 99.0 and a MON of 89.0, compared to 102 and 90 respectively, where the MON rating is more relevant for hard driving, and for quite a bit less than the ultimate 102, I think it's something like £1.20 per litre?
www.leadedpetrol.co.uk/
If you look a the tech specs, it has a RON of 99.0 and a MON of 89.0, compared to 102 and 90 respectively, where the MON rating is more relevant for hard driving, and for quite a bit less than the ultimate 102, I think it's something like £1.20 per litre?
Matthew C said:
How about some real petrol, namely leaded.
www.leadedpetrol.co.uk/
If you look a the tech specs, it has a RON of 99.0 and a MON of 89.0, compared to 102 and 90 respectively, where the MON rating is more relevant for hard driving, and for quite a bit less than the ultimate 102, I think it's something like £1.20 per litre?
Remember Leaded petrol will kill your lambda sensor.
I live 1/4 mile away from said filling station, run a 5.7L twin turbo, with fully mappable management and switchable ignition tables, so i might create a 102 octane map or crank the boost up a little and try a few litres of it. Going to get expensive very quickly for me though!
Remember, that the newport filling station is on the way to santa-pod.
There are two BP stations on the A43 within five miles of Silverstone - one in Towcester, one in Brackley. Why did they choose MK to locate two of the trial stations, then?
Accept that one of the MK stations could be for Santa Pod, but I'm also sure there's a BP on the A509 north of Olney, on the MK to Wellingborough road.
I'd like to see it succeed, but share many people's pessimism...
Accept that one of the MK stations could be for Santa Pod, but I'm also sure there's a BP on the A509 north of Olney, on the MK to Wellingborough road.
I'd like to see it succeed, but share many people's pessimism...
I'm running tuned smart cars (103bhp) which I run on Tesco 99ron and it does improve smoothness and acceleration especially when on boost.
I'm thinking of mixing this new BP 102 hyper expensive fuel just to see if it makes a difference. It may be apparent on highly tuned cars and more so on turbocharged cars.
If only it weren't so expensive
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>> Edited by Koul on Wednesday 26th April 11:21
I'm thinking of mixing this new BP 102 hyper expensive fuel just to see if it makes a difference. It may be apparent on highly tuned cars and more so on turbocharged cars.
If only it weren't so expensive
. >> Edited by Koul on Wednesday 26th April 11:21
Here's a link to the info site on the fuel if anyones interested.
www.bp.com/genericsection.do?categoryId=6621&contentId=7017179
www.bp.com/genericsection.do?categoryId=6621&contentId=7017179
Matthew C said:
Remember Leaded petrol will kill your lambda sensor.
If you have one.
Actually, I seem to remember reading that there are 2 types, one type is affected and the other not?
>> Edited by Matthew C on Tuesday 25th April 17:37
And before it damages your sensor, it will poison your cat for good measure.
Have a look at the BP102 specifications table at
[url]www.bp.com/liveassets/bp_internet/bp_ultimate/STAGING/brand_assets/downloads_pdfs/f/102_Fuel_Specification_table.pdf[/url]
At 102 RON and 90 MON it exceeds what is allowed under MSA Regulations for "Pump Fuel", which is RON 90-100 and MON 85-89 (See E12.13.3 and P (definitions)). Therefore it is illegal to use in most MSA permited events unless they specifically allow non-pump fuel, or run under an international permit. So apart from the cost, it could result in you being excluded from results.
And before anyone says "How would they know?"... What about the different colour and probably odour?.....
Renny Thomson
MSA Scrutineer
>> Edited by Renny on Wednesday 26th April 15:00
[url]www.bp.com/liveassets/bp_internet/bp_ultimate/STAGING/brand_assets/downloads_pdfs/f/102_Fuel_Specification_table.pdf[/url]
At 102 RON and 90 MON it exceeds what is allowed under MSA Regulations for "Pump Fuel", which is RON 90-100 and MON 85-89 (See E12.13.3 and P (definitions)). Therefore it is illegal to use in most MSA permited events unless they specifically allow non-pump fuel, or run under an international permit. So apart from the cost, it could result in you being excluded from results.
And before anyone says "How would they know?"... What about the different colour and probably odour?.....
Renny Thomson
MSA Scrutineer
>> Edited by Renny on Wednesday 26th April 15:00
willibetz said:
Remember Leaded petrol will kill your lambda sensor.
If you have one.
Actually, I seem to remember reading that there are 2 types, one type is affected and the other not?
>> Edited by Matthew C on Tuesday 25th April 17:37
And before it damages your sensor, it will poison your cat for good measure.
Except there are plenty of cars out there with fuel injection built before 1993, so can legally be used without a cat.
[quote=renny]Have a look at the BP102 specifications table at
[url]www.bp.com/liveassets/bp_internet/bp_ultimate/STAGING/brand_assets/downloads_pdfs/f/102_Fuel_Specification_table.pdf[/url]
At 102 RON and 90 MON it exceeds what is allowed under MSA Regulations for "Pump Fuel", which is RON 90-100 and MON 85-89 (See E12.13.3 and P (definitions)). Therefore it is illegal to use in most MSA permited events unless they specifically allow non-pump fuel, or run under an international permit. So apart from the cost, it could result in you being excluded from results.
And before anyone says "How would they know?"... What about the different colour and probably odour?.....
Renny Thomson
MSA Scrutineer
It would be an interesting reason for excluding someone - because your fuel smells funny!
Both Shell and Elf supply 102 octane fuel that is widely used by competitors with WRC and some Gp N rally cars without anyone objecting to it (it is fairly easy to tell!). I bet Steve Perez doesn't use Shell Optimax in his 05 Focus on BTRDA events.
[url]www.bp.com/liveassets/bp_internet/bp_ultimate/STAGING/brand_assets/downloads_pdfs/f/102_Fuel_Specification_table.pdf[/url]
At 102 RON and 90 MON it exceeds what is allowed under MSA Regulations for "Pump Fuel", which is RON 90-100 and MON 85-89 (See E12.13.3 and P (definitions)). Therefore it is illegal to use in most MSA permited events unless they specifically allow non-pump fuel, or run under an international permit. So apart from the cost, it could result in you being excluded from results.
And before anyone says "How would they know?"... What about the different colour and probably odour?.....
Renny Thomson
MSA Scrutineer
It would be an interesting reason for excluding someone - because your fuel smells funny!
Both Shell and Elf supply 102 octane fuel that is widely used by competitors with WRC and some Gp N rally cars without anyone objecting to it (it is fairly easy to tell!). I bet Steve Perez doesn't use Shell Optimax in his 05 Focus on BTRDA events.
Well, the Newbury Park petrol station is right next to my flat, although at that price I can't see myself trying it at all. It really isn't remotely near any tracks either, apart from Arena Essex in Thurrock (if you're in to banger racing) or for the little boys on their way to the regular weekend cruze at Southend.
dean_ratpac said:
I’ve had a quick skim through some of the posts - the main part everyone is missing is you going to need a remap to run this fuel.
I think a few have mentioned it
uhhhh which is why everyone else hasnt?!?! besides its not strictly correct. even if your car's setup on an unconservative map to run 100 octane after sustained thraping on track the heat soak is likely to start detonation, at which point the ecu or knocklink computer holds the engine back. its really no different to dumping in some octane booster to road fuel to do a track/race day, just much more expensive.
dean_ratpac said:
I’ve had a quick skim through some of the posts - the main part everyone is missing is you going to need a remap to run this fuel.
I think a few have mentioned it
Well you need a remap to get the most benefit from it, but then the idea is that for a track day that's what you'd do anyway.
It would be an interesting reason for excluding someone - because your fuel smells funny!
Both Shell and Elf supply 102 octane fuel that is widely used by competitors with WRC and some Gp N rally cars without anyone objecting to it (it is fairly easy to tell!). I bet Steve Perez doesn't use Shell Optimax in his 05 Focus on BTRDA events.
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I'm not saying they would be excluded because it "smelled funny", but it could give your fellow competitors, or the organisers grounds to either protest or selct you for fuel sampling and analysis. Then if it was found that the RON was >100, you would probably be excluded for breaching the regulations.
As for Steve Perez (or anyone else) running WRC cars on National events, they have to comply with the National Regulations which state "Pump Fuel". All they have to do is make sure the ECU is mapped for the grade of fuel thay are running on.
Both Shell and Elf supply 102 octane fuel that is widely used by competitors with WRC and some Gp N rally cars without anyone objecting to it (it is fairly easy to tell!). I bet Steve Perez doesn't use Shell Optimax in his 05 Focus on BTRDA events.
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I'm not saying they would be excluded because it "smelled funny", but it could give your fellow competitors, or the organisers grounds to either protest or selct you for fuel sampling and analysis. Then if it was found that the RON was >100, you would probably be excluded for breaching the regulations.
As for Steve Perez (or anyone else) running WRC cars on National events, they have to comply with the National Regulations which state "Pump Fuel". All they have to do is make sure the ECU is mapped for the grade of fuel thay are running on.
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