RE: Tygan Speedster

[Plotloss]

Bermuda Fire and Marine?

Get my mail the other day?

[nervous]

Plotloss said:

Bermuda Fire and Marine?

Get my mail the other day?

no and no

[Miguel]

briSk said:

Miguel said:

This is the Yank version, which is well priced:

http://www.specialtyauto.com/PORSCHE.htm

Miguel

good lord! the 'flared fender' model is hideous. dreadful website aside, the normal looking model is pretty good and i agree the price seems okay.

I don't consider it hideous, but I also prefer the standard looking car. As for the website, at least it's user-friendly. I'm sick of websites that try to look impressive but are more trouble than they're worth to navigate, such as the PGO website, though I'm very impressed with their product.

Miguel

[odyssey2200]

Miguel said:

I'm sick of websites that try to look impressive but are more trouble than they're worth to navigate, such as the PGO website, though I'm very impressed with their product.

Miguel

Miguel

Which web site did you visit?
The french one is Pants but the UK one, which I bought from is basic and functional.

http://lifestyleautomotive.co.uk/pgohome.html

[Miguel]

Davi said:

Miguel said:

odyssey2200 said:

Took the PoGO for a blast today

Roof down (heater on) sun shining!

I'd never heard of PGO before, but like you, I also prefer that 356 replicas be mid-engined and contain no VW parts. This is the Yank version, which is well priced:

http://www.specialtyauto.com/PORSCHE.htm

Miguel

Strange that you shun a Ferrari that has anything less than Ferrari parts beneath it, yet when a true replica comes along - something that really is very, very close to the original due to the almost identical design of the underpinnings, you then want your replica to have no parts fitted that could be considered replicating the original.

I shun the Ferrari because it's an existing car that was rebodied to look like a Ferrari. To me, it's as absurd as the Bugatti, MG, and Mercedes SS "replicas" that I used to see here in the US that were just a VW chassis with the body removed and replaced with a fiberglass lookalike of such old sports cars.

I have no problem with cars such as the Chesil and now the Tygan. Yes, using old VW parts does make it more like the original. I have no problem with the car itself, but to me, cars are about driving. Having driven an old VW Beetle and a Porsche 356B coupe, I discovered that those cars are simply not my cup of tea. Thus, I'm not shunning the Tygan, but something with more modern mechanicals is my preference.

Rebodying an existing car to look like a Ferrari is silly, IMHO. Trying to make it look like a modern Ferrari or any other car is equally futile. How about taking ten year old VW Passat and rebodying it to look like a Maybach? Or changing the body on a London taxi to try to copy the RR Phantom?

I drive a Mazda MX5 and love it. I've driven an Aston Martin DB9 and thought it was a fantastic car. Someone actually sells a body kit to turn the MX5 into a tiny Aston Martin "replica." You can bet I won't be buying it.

Miguel

[nervous]

odyssey2200 said:

http://lifestyleautomotive.co.uk/pgohome.html

perhaps my marketing strategy differs from theirs, but i wouldnt be putting a link to that review on my website.

That said, having read that site I now know why your so defensive and colour blind to the other variants- I know the designers of that 206GTI lump and I know exactly how over-stressed it is. It cant be much fun to be constantly sat broken-down at the side of the road with cyclists riding past asking 'couldnt afford the Porsche, mate?'.

[Davi]

Miguel said:

I shun the Ferrari because it's an existing car that was rebodied to look like a Ferrari. To me, it's as absurd as the Bugatti, MG, and Mercedes SS "replicas" that I used to see here in the US that were just a VW chassis with the body removed and replaced with a fiberglass lookalike of such old sports cars.

I have no problem with cars such as the Chesil and now the Tygan. Yes, using old VW parts does make it more like the original. I have no problem with the car itself, but to me, cars are about driving. Having driven an old VW Beetle and a Porsche 356B coupe, I discovered that those cars are simply not my cup of tea. Thus, I'm not shunning the Tygan, but something with more modern mechanicals is my preference.

Rebodying an existing car to look like a Ferrari is silly, IMHO. Trying to make it look like a modern Ferrari or any other car is equally futile. How about taking ten year old VW Passat and rebodying it to look like a Maybach? Or changing the body on a London taxi to try to copy the RR Phantom?

I drive a Mazda MX5 and love it. I've driven an Aston Martin DB9 and thought it was a fantastic car. Someone actually sells a body kit to turn the MX5 into a tiny Aston Martin "replica." You can bet I won't be buying it.

Miguel

So like Odyssey you are saying that replica's that you like are fine, it's just the ones that you don't like that are sad. That's fine, just thought maybe someone had a new, maybe even half reasonable argument, rather than the standard issue one it turned out to be...

[nervous]

Davi said:

just thought maybe someone had a new, maybe even half reasonable argument, rather than the standard issue one it turned out to be...

This is Ph, Davi. We dont do new.

[odyssey2200]

nervous said:

odyssey2200 said:

http://lifestyleautomotive.co.uk/pgohome.html

perhaps my marketing strategy differs from theirs, but i wouldnt be putting a link to that review on my website.

That said, having read that site I now know why your so defensive and colour blind to the other variants- I know the designers of that 206GTI lump and I know exactly how over-stressed it is. It cant be much fun to be constantly sat broken-down at the side of the road with cyclists riding past asking 'couldnt afford the Porsche, mate?'.

Firstly its not the 205 lump, Journalist got it wrong.
Its the later unit which pug used that could be chipped to 180 bhp as mine has.

I seriously doubt that I am any more likely to be broken down by the side of the road than someone in a Brazillian built engine.
equally being asked if they could afford a real Porsche?

[nomis]

Mon Ami Mate said:

nomis said:

Mon Ami Mate said:

the only part kept from a donor car is the spine, which is shortened and made corrosion resistant. The only reason we use these is that it enables us to use an age-related plate. Absolutely everything else is brand new and purpose-engineered.

Actually, if you only use one part and it is modified, it seems you cannot use an age related plate according to the DVLA: -

"Kit Conversions

This is where a kit of new parts is added to an existing vehicle or old parts are added to a kit comprising a manufactured body, chassis or monocoque bodyshell. The general appearance of the vehicle will change and result in a revised description on the registration certificate.

A vehicle will retain its donor registration mark if either the original unmodified chassis or unaltered monocoque bodyshell and two other major components are used. If a new monocoque bodyshell or chassis from a specialist kit manufacturer is used (or an altered chassis or bodyshell from an existing vehicle) together with two major components from a donor vehicle, an age related mark will be assigned. The mark will be based on the age of the donor vehicle. An ESVA, SVA or MSVA test will be required to register the vehicle.

Where there are insufficient parts from a donor vehicle or in cases where the original registration mark is unknown, an ESVA, SVA or MSVA certificate will be required to register the vehicle and a 'Q' prefix registration number will be allocated."

In the case of Kit Cars - they are only allowed to use a current reg: -

"Kit Cars

Where all the parts of a vehicle are supplied new by the manufacturer. Subject to the provision of satisfactory receipts and a certificate of newness these vehicles will be registered under a current registration mark.

Kit cars which have been built using not more than one reconditioned component will also be registered under a current mark. This is subject to the provision of satisfactory evidence that the component has been reconditioned to an "as new" standard. An ESVA, SVA or MSVA test will be required."

All take from the DVLA site - http://www.direct.gov.uk/en/Motoring/BuyingAndSell...

So it would seem Chesil were correct and you are unable to use a classic plate?

We don't make kit cars - I believe this is where the loophole exists. All I know is that our cars go out on age related plates and that the only part we use from a donor car is the spine with the chassis number intact.

As a matter of interest, what do you classify the Tygan as if it isn't a kit car or a 'kit conversion'?

[nervous]

odyssey2200 said:

nervous said:

odyssey2200 said:

http://lifestyleautomotive.co.uk/pgohome.html

perhaps my marketing strategy differs from theirs, but i wouldnt be putting a link to that review on my website.

That said, having read that site I now know why your so defensive and colour blind to the other variants- I know the designers of that 206GTI lump and I know exactly how over-stressed it is. It cant be much fun to be constantly sat broken-down at the side of the road with cyclists riding past asking 'couldnt afford the Porsche, mate?'.

Firstly its not the 205 lump, Journalist got it wrong.
Its the later unit which pug used that could be chipped to 180 bhp as mine has.

I seriously doubt that I am any more likely to be broken down by the side of the road than someone in a Brazillian built engine.
equally being asked if they could afford a real Porsche?

yes, its the lump that went in the 206, as i said. thats the one thats massivley, dangerously over-stressed.

[odyssey2200]

nervous said:

thats the one thats massivley, dangerously over-stressed.

Yeah right

You would obviously prefer a brazillian air cooled motor!

[nervous]

odyssey2200 said:

nervous said:

thats the one thats massivley, dangerously over-stressed.

Yeah right

Well, the engineers responsible for it now work for me and theyre also my best friends. But your right, other than that, Ive no idea what Im talking about. So lets not get off topic.

explain to me again how a replica can replicate something too much.

[cyberface]

odyssey2200 said:

nervous said:

thats the one thats massivley, dangerously over-stressed.

Yeah right

You would obviously prefer a brazillian air cooled motor!

What's that? You're not seriously telling me that the air-cooled flat four was designed by the Brazilians are you? I think you'll find it was actually designed by some rather talented engineers in Germany some time ago, and the Brazilians are merely assembling the engines. As opposed to an engine designed by the French after car manufacturers had discovered the financial benefits of designed-in obsolescence (which I utterly despise)...

[thegumeister]

PoGO at le Touquet France last Sept.

[odyssey2200]

nervous said:

odyssey2200 said:

nervous said:

thats the one thats massivley, dangerously over-stressed.

Yeah right

Well, the engineers responsible for it now work for me and theyre also my best friends. But your right, other than that, Ive no idea what Im talking about. So lets not get off topic.

explain to me again how a replica can replicate something too much.

You really are trying to twist my words to pick an argument aren't you!

As you obviously can't read the posts

Tygan = Far too expensive for what it is and offers.
Puting Porsche badges on one is just false and possibly illegal (maybe I should Phone Porsche and ask their view on the subject?)

[nervous]

odyssey2200 said:

You really are trying to twist my words to pick an argument aren't you!

As you obviously can't read the posts

Tygan = Far too expensive for what it is and offers.
Puting Porsche badges on one is just false and possibly illegal (maybe I should Phone Porsche and ask their view on the subject?)

I havent twisted your words at all, Oddy. you think that replicas are ok- you bought one after all- but you think replicas that are too replica-y are sad. I dont understand this at all, as to me the central concept is entirely contradictory. thats my argument. I dont need to twist your words to contrive another, this one will do me fine.

explain please.

btw fwiw, Im confident that Tygan et al have been brought to Porsches attention already, but if you must blow that whistle you could try telling the people at Birds Eye that cold peas arent hot. Im fairly confident thats news.

[Davi]

nervous said:

Davi said:

just thought maybe someone had a new, maybe even half reasonable argument, rather than the standard issue one it turned out to be...

This is Ph, Davi. We dont do new.

yeah you're correct, I should have thought of that.

odyssey2200 said:

nervous said:

odyssey2200 said:

nervous said:

thats the one thats massivley, dangerously over-stressed.

Yeah right

Well, the engineers responsible for it now work for me and theyre also my best friends. But your right, other than that, Ive no idea what Im talking about. So lets not get off topic.

explain to me again how a replica can replicate something too much.

You really are trying to twist my words to pick an argument aren't you!

As you obviously can't read the posts

Tygan = Far too expensive for what it is and offers.
Puting Porsche badges on one is just false and possibly illegal (maybe I should Phone Porsche and ask their view on the subject?)

You said, a replica is fine.
You then said, a replica with badges that replicate the original is sad.
How exactly is Nervous twisting your words by asking how you can replicated something too much, as obviously it's a replica with or without the badges, just that one is a closer replica to the original... or in other words, "replicated to much".

Fair enough if you believe that the Tygan is too expensive for what it is and offers, but you could apply the above to any of the 356 replicas. Or any other replica of any other make.

I have a feeling that Porsche would probably ask you if someone is trying to sell you a vehicle fraudulently by passing it off as a real Porsche. When you inform them no, it's just that you saw one once and think it's a bit sad, they would probably laugh at you.

They may, just for fun, ask you if the car had been moulded off a real Porsche, when you answer yes I'd imagine they would question why you find that acceptable but the badge not.

[Mon Ami Mate]

odyssey2200 said:

nervous said:

odyssey2200 said:

http://lifestyleautomotive.co.uk/pgohome.html

perhaps my marketing strategy differs from theirs, but i wouldnt be putting a link to that review on my website.

That said, having read that site I now know why your so defensive and colour blind to the other variants- I know the designers of that 206GTI lump and I know exactly how over-stressed it is. It cant be much fun to be constantly sat broken-down at the side of the road with cyclists riding past asking 'couldnt afford the Porsche, mate?'.

Firstly its not the 205 lump, Journalist got it wrong.
Its the later unit which pug used that could be chipped to 180 bhp as mine has.

I seriously doubt that I am any more likely to be broken down by the side of the road than someone in a Brazillian built engine.
equally being asked if they could afford a real Porsche?

It's not a Brazilian built engine. Oh FFS, why am I wasting my time on trying to make reasonable points to somebody who clearly has trouble with basic comprehension. Melksham? Did you go to George Ward?

[odyssey2200]

So what exactly is your link to Tygan, Nervous?

you obviously go out of your way to ignore bits of thread and only read the bits you want to.

I simply have the opinion that people why drive cars and change the badges to pretend its something else are disingenuous.