RE: Third Party Perception
Discussion
moleamol said:
'drive your car as if you had an expert driver you really wanted to impress in the passenger seat - all the time'
I do this all the time, it's just that my expert driver is Colin McRae
Good call Molly.. of course, Colin McRae is more acquainted with the foliage than the road these days. Maybe you've had an unexpected infulence on him lately
If you were in such an accident, you would look for whatever witnesses you could find to vouch for your driving at the time of the accident, or just before it.
Some years ago I did have an accident similar to this with a lad on a bicycle. He pulled straight across the road in front of me and came thru my windscreen.
Fortunately I had a passenger as a witness and several cars behind me all stopped and volunteered to be witnesses.
It makes me shudder to think what might have been if I'd done or driven as this guy had done immediately prior to this accident.
Excellent aricle, thought provoking and well written.
It's certainly made me think!
Some years ago I did have an accident similar to this with a lad on a bicycle. He pulled straight across the road in front of me and came thru my windscreen.
Fortunately I had a passenger as a witness and several cars behind me all stopped and volunteered to be witnesses.
It makes me shudder to think what might have been if I'd done or driven as this guy had done immediately prior to this accident.
Excellent aricle, thought provoking and well written.
It's certainly made me think!
CarZee said:
'drive your car as if you had an expert driver you really wanted to impress in the passenger seat - all the time'
I do this all the time, it's just that my expert driver is Colin McRae
Good call Molly.. of course, Colin McRae is more acquainted with the foliage than the road these days. Maybe you've had an unexpected infulence on him lately
At least the role model isn't Vin Diesel - strap on a camera and drive off a viaduct.....
CarZee said:No, that was last year when his car kept breaking
'drive your car as if you had an expert driver you really wanted to impress in the passenger seat - all the time'
I do this all the time, it's just that my expert driver is Colin McRae
Good call Molly.. of course, Colin McRae is more acquainted with the foliage than the road these days. Maybe you've had an unexpected infulence on him lately
PetrolTed said:
Take some time to read www.ridedrive.co.uk
These guys know how to make driving fun.
Impressive. Though my eyes have gone funny due to their colour scheme...
For those of you that think the article is patronising badly written or at worst nannying to the thoughts of transport2000, I think you need to look closer at what is being suggested. Not at the content of the article itself but the whole bigger picture.
Many of you have the fortune through hard work and or good luck to be able to purchase and run exquisite machinary which in itself is likely to get noticed. There are many people out there who will admire your possessions and many more who covet them too. Watch out for green eyes!
These are the types of people that will (and do) report the most minor traffic violation as they see it as a way to exact their revenge on your success in life. To take the owner of a Porsche down a peg or two is not beyond the motivation of jealous people. They will do this by either keying your car when it is parked and unattended or in the manner that Julian suggestes if they think that they can make a point.
Having a sports car is likley to make you drive rather faster than most other people in the roads environment would on occasions wish you to do. If you happen to make a cock up whilst doing this there is more chance of 'Green eyes' making a point than if you made the mistake in a Mondeo!
The point of the article is to make you aware that your particular vehicle and style of driving are more likely to get you attention.
Pre accident driving is relevant in a court hearing the facts about a particular incident or accident involving that driving even if the witnesses seeing that pre accident driving do not see the accident (It is almost a mens-rea and can certainly be an actus-rea). If it is bad enough it could even be the subject of a charge itself.
For those of you that think this type of incident does not happen, then think again, it does. I have not been on Traffic for over 9 years now. I remember several incidents that I dealt with similar to this in the 12 years in did work on that department. One involved a very serious accident in which the driver of the offending car hit a postman on a pedal cycle resulting in him losing both kidneys and almost killing him. No-one saw the accident itself including the postman as he was hit from behind but the pre-accident driving went a long way to the 12 months imprisonment the driver got. Passengers on buses came forward with their details as witnesses as well as pedestrians and other motorists when an appeal went out in the local press.
Many of you have the fortune through hard work and or good luck to be able to purchase and run exquisite machinary which in itself is likely to get noticed. There are many people out there who will admire your possessions and many more who covet them too. Watch out for green eyes!
These are the types of people that will (and do) report the most minor traffic violation as they see it as a way to exact their revenge on your success in life. To take the owner of a Porsche down a peg or two is not beyond the motivation of jealous people. They will do this by either keying your car when it is parked and unattended or in the manner that Julian suggestes if they think that they can make a point.
Having a sports car is likley to make you drive rather faster than most other people in the roads environment would on occasions wish you to do. If you happen to make a cock up whilst doing this there is more chance of 'Green eyes' making a point than if you made the mistake in a Mondeo!
The point of the article is to make you aware that your particular vehicle and style of driving are more likely to get you attention.
Pre accident driving is relevant in a court hearing the facts about a particular incident or accident involving that driving even if the witnesses seeing that pre accident driving do not see the accident (It is almost a mens-rea and can certainly be an actus-rea). If it is bad enough it could even be the subject of a charge itself.
For those of you that think this type of incident does not happen, then think again, it does. I have not been on Traffic for over 9 years now. I remember several incidents that I dealt with similar to this in the 12 years in did work on that department. One involved a very serious accident in which the driver of the offending car hit a postman on a pedal cycle resulting in him losing both kidneys and almost killing him. No-one saw the accident itself including the postman as he was hit from behind but the pre-accident driving went a long way to the 12 months imprisonment the driver got. Passengers on buses came forward with their details as witnesses as well as pedestrians and other motorists when an appeal went out in the local press.
PetrolTed said:
Take some time to read www.ridedrive.co.uk
These guys know how to make driving fun.
I'm very disappointed that some people have read anything nanny-like into this piece but I can understand why given its lack of context.
Hopefully as we get some more articles, a clearer picture will emerge of the overall message that these guys are trying to get across. They actually know how to make driving fun again.
Can only agree with this, my Ridedrive instructor loved cars & bikes and more importantly enjoyed driving them, common sense, anticipation & technique are what they focus on not nannying, and when you see how they can handle a car it's difficult to argue with them.............
"These are the types of people that will (and do) report the most minor traffic violation as they see it as a way to exact their revenge on your success in life."
I personally know someone who was sadly in a similar situation.
If it hadn't been for 1 witness having the "balls" to stand up in court and basically take odds with the prosecution that person would have been in a very similar situation to the ficticous driver in the article.
Mojo.
I personally know someone who was sadly in a similar situation.
If it hadn't been for 1 witness having the "balls" to stand up in court and basically take odds with the prosecution that person would have been in a very similar situation to the ficticous driver in the article.
Mojo.
moleamol said:
'drive your car as if you had an expert driver you really wanted to impress in the passenger seat - all the time'
I do this all the time, it's just that my expert driver is Colin McRae
is that the same Colin McRae who was caught speeding last week?
alan
Buffalo said:
Can anyone tell me if ridedrive use you're own car or have any that you can rent? I think its about time i did one of these courses again, but would prefer not to take the MG.
Hi Buffalo - I'm sure it's your own car. I've done this sort of training in an MG, which was fine. If it's your own MG, then you'd certainly benefit from the increased mechanical sympathy you'll learn.
Mad Mike:
Whilst I do not wish to generate negetivity, I feel it is the likes of you to whom the aformentioned article is primarily aimed at.
consequently, I fear it is people like you who should be kept away from our roads.
I understand why you would feel that Paul's story is yet another nanny state anti car-lobby slither of propaganda.
However, what you apparantly fail to see, is that while this story is fictional, it is representative of real life!
From the impression that I get from your posts on this thread (and this is exactly the point of the article), you are too hell bent on satisfying your own concerns rather than thinking of the needs of others. I would love to see how you drive in an everyday environment - just so that I could stay as far away from you as possible!
My advise to you would be to spend more time considering how other people perceive you rather than wasting it correcting other people's use of grammar for example.
This is of course purely observation and based entirely on personal opinion, but If you want to be regarded as an idiot by other people then feel free to ignore this advise.
Whilst I do not wish to generate negetivity, I feel it is the likes of you to whom the aformentioned article is primarily aimed at.
consequently, I fear it is people like you who should be kept away from our roads.
I understand why you would feel that Paul's story is yet another nanny state anti car-lobby slither of propaganda.
However, what you apparantly fail to see, is that while this story is fictional, it is representative of real life!
From the impression that I get from your posts on this thread (and this is exactly the point of the article), you are too hell bent on satisfying your own concerns rather than thinking of the needs of others. I would love to see how you drive in an everyday environment - just so that I could stay as far away from you as possible!
My advise to you would be to spend more time considering how other people perceive you rather than wasting it correcting other people's use of grammar for example.
This is of course purely observation and based entirely on personal opinion, but If you want to be regarded as an idiot by other people then feel free to ignore this advise.
Edited by Rennesport on Tuesday 27th June 08:53
Rennesport said:
This is of course purely observation and based entirely on personal opinion, but If you want to be regarded as an idiot by other people then feel free to ignore this advise.
He made those comments almost 3 years ago, so he'll probably not even notice that you resurrected this thread
Welcome btw._Al_ said:
mondeoman said:
Just one comment - not ONE of those so-called witnesses was actually a witness to the accident, not ONE of them saw the accident, hence their testamony isn't worth the paper its written on .......
just a thought to ponder on
just a thought to ponder on
Sadly that's just not the case.
These days motorists are viewed to be at fault if they're driving sensibly, let alone if they've been witnessed hooning around acting like an ar5e.
Think of it this way.
Crash between a Maxxed Nova and a Renault Laguna.
Who's automatically chief suspect?
So true.
Great article, and definitely food for thought.
Neil_H said:
Holy thread resurrection Batman!
Indeed!The 'hypothetical' scenario in the article was actually played out on 'Traffic Cops' a while back..
(well, similar - IIRC, Civic was racing a BMW and caught on CCTV. Civic crashes a few miles down the road. BMW driver investigated in relation to crash as a result of earlier antics/driving style.)
Edited by monthefish on Friday 7th August 15:32
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