Concorde conspiracy theory - please read!!!

Concorde conspiracy theory - please read!!!

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dino ferrana

791 posts

214 months

Monday 27th October 2003
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The type certificate is held by Airbus and they are refusing to let it continue.

Design rights to things like the specials paint that allows the plane to cope with heat of supersonic flight is owned by BA.

Julian64

13,222 posts

216 months

Monday 27th October 2003
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Concorde only needed 44% seat capacity to make a profit. BA always made a big profit out of concorde. The french on the other hand didn't because their route to america was blocked. BA had its hands on the lucrative america slots and wasn't going to give them up for anything even if it meant the demise of concorde. They could always use conventional aircraft to fill the slots which is exactly what they've already done.

mondeoman

10,125 posts

228 months

Monday 27th October 2003
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sparkyjohn said:

Julian64 said:
One point you missed which was the reason france couldn't make a profit out of it.


Starting from Paris Concorde barely had the range to reach NYC. One cock-up and it would be forced to land somewhere in the Atlantic


London to Paris is about 200 miles, tops. I find that VERY hard to believe that London flights were that short of range .......

Yertis

15,959 posts

228 months

Monday 27th October 2003
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I believe Concorde had a value (which bean counters wouldn't understand) to BA out of all proportion to the measurable value of bums-on-seats. While BA flew Concorde, it was unique in the world (apart from Air France, and Air France don't count). Concorde was the loss leader, the aspirational top-of-the-range model that people couldn't afford but which got them into the BA showroom. Without Concorde BA is just another carrier with nothing to distinguish it from any other outfit except a finflash.

anonymous-user

16 months

Monday 27th October 2003
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I heard that Air France had a Problem in flight in February this year, and it was a bit of a close shave.

Mainly due to the way the crew reacted.

AF nearly whacked themselves, and were frightened by what they saw on one of the Aircraft when examined.

They went to Airbus, who then said that would be X million to fix, they said no, called in BA who also said the same.

That is another rumour doing the rounds.

BruceV8

3,325 posts

209 months

Monday 27th October 2003
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DanH said:
Don't think AA missiles do Mach2, so would be at take off/landing, and thats always a risk anyway.


Mostly true, but not entirely. Some can. Shorts Starstreak (or HVM - same thing) can do over Mach 3. Not that the baddies have it, but it exists.

pedroman

227 posts

212 months

Monday 27th October 2003
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mondeoman: the fuel situation was ALWAYS a problem! That is why it got priority at both ends. Remember about BA capt who decided to press on rather than divert to Shannon, (against the opinion of F/O and engineer I add) well, his engines flamed out taxying in!

sparkyjohn

1,198 posts

208 months

Monday 27th October 2003
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mondeoman said:

London to Paris is about 200 miles, tops. I find that VERY hard to believe that London flights were that short of range .......

Concorde London to NYC was at the operational limit of the aircraft as defined by the FAA. Clearly that's not the same thing as it only being capable of reaching NYC, but rather that its reserve was insufficient for any greater flying time.

5ltr-chim

635 posts

219 months

Monday 27th October 2003
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Some years back I was told by a tug driver for her that is dropped fuel on the deck at a faster rate whilst waiting to go that it consumed in flight

FourWheelDrift

81,655 posts

246 months

Monday 27th October 2003
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sparkyjohn said:


mondeoman said:

London to Paris is about 200 miles, tops. I find that VERY hard to believe that London flights were that short of range .......



Concorde London to NYC was at the operational limit of the aircraft as defined by the FAA. Clearly that's not the same thing as it only being capable of reaching NYC, but rather that its reserve was insufficient for any greater flying time.



Concorde could fly further at Mach2 at 60,000 feet but if there was a problem and had to drop to subsonic it used more fuel. Hence Cardiff was the emergency landing airport for Heathrow. So a NYC to Paris flight would have the same problems.

Going the other way they use Halifax, Nova Scotia.

Edited to say - here's an example - http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/2781275.stm

>> Edited by FourWheelDrift on Monday 27th October 18:04

MoJocvh

16,837 posts

224 months

Monday 27th October 2003
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Concorde WAS the biggest terrorist target EVER.
Due to it's flight regieme it was IMPOSSIBLE to retrofit (or plan to retrofit) any of the countermeasures that are available to "normal" commercial aircraft.

Try getting your fleet insured in a couple of years time.

IMHO of course.

MoJo.

anonymous-user

16 months

Monday 27th October 2003
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Don't think we're quite up to ECM, Flares and Chaff on commercial aircraft just yet.

Some airlines it was reported, although not specified, do say that their aircraft do have some form of defense.

Lee

FourWheelDrift

81,655 posts

246 months

Monday 27th October 2003
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anonymous said:
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Israeli Air carries ECM systems.

Although Aer Lingus has been known to carry a priest or two.


MoJocvh

16,837 posts

224 months

Monday 27th October 2003
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anonymous said:
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Have a look at the ***** sqn sometime.......

anonymous-user

16 months

Monday 27th October 2003
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If the squadron you're thinking of flies BAe 125's and 146's, yes I have seen the dispensers on the rear fuselage.

Lee

anonymous-user

16 months

Monday 27th October 2003
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FourWheelDrift said:

anonymous said:
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Israeli Air carries ECM systems.

Although Aer Lingus has been known to carry a priest or two.





st...... that's Thermoman

philoldsmobile

524 posts

169 months

Friday 19th June 2020
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The crashed air France plane was full...

magpie215

3,509 posts

151 months

Friday 19th June 2020
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Holy thread resurrection..17years!!

fesuvious

6,189 posts

203 months

Friday 19th June 2020
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I'm worried philoldsmobile has been primed at his keyboard for more than a decade and a half deciding what to reply with

DailyHack

1,212 posts

73 months

Sunday 4th October 2020
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2003!!! Thread resurrection indeed, I miss concorde.

That's all I will add frown

Remember seeing it land at Grantly Adams International, Barbados - must of been around 1999/2000...

Was like a mosquito tracking in over the beach, with its nose down, wonderful sight!