Penalty point on licence for littering WTF

[master L]

Here we go again blame drivers for everything, and now littering, i agree you should get a fine, but getting points on your licence is just ridiculous.
but hey what can we do
......Nothing

http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8141597.stm

[kavanagh]

I just saw this.Seriously wtf!.I agree litterings wrong but points!!!!.Once again a stupid idea.A £30 fine i think might be more fair but then again a simple if a copper sees you do it why not a polite please put it in the bin!!!!.Radical idea i know!!!!.

[Pints]

^^^"Please put it in the bin"? Perhaps the crim shouldn't have littered in the first place. A fine is acceptable (£30 is perhaps a bit dear) but the points are out of order since littering has no effect on your driving abilities.

[fatboy b]

And once again, unless a policeman actually sees it happen, it never did.

[Westy Pre-Lit]

Quote - 'Although apples are biodegradable, anti-litter campaigners say they can encourage rats'.

The fact that councils have switched to picking up rubbish every 2 weeks.........

I'm not condoning the dropping of litter, but this is yet again just another thing to criminalise and control.

fk me we won't be able to st soon without permission.

Edited by Westy Pre-Lit on Thursday 9th July 07:52

[mat205125]

fatboy b said:

And once again, unless a policeman actually sees it happen, it never did.

Completely un-inforceable.

[sone]

I've witnessed people throwing beer cans, Macdonalds bags etc out of their car windows and in my opinion points are the very least they deserve.Who do these people think is going to clear up after them?.
So in my opinion points at least for them and fly tippers should have their testicles removed with a rusty spoon.

[Jasandjules]

mat205125 said:

fatboy b said:

And once again, unless a policeman actually sees it happen, it never did.

Completely un-inforceable.

Ah, but under Nu Labour, there will be a legion of people who can issue tickets..

[Westy Pre-Lit]

Jasandjules said:

mat205125 said:

fatboy b said:

And once again, unless a policeman actually sees it happen, it never did.

Completely un-inforceable.

Ah, but under Nu Labour, there will be a legion of people who can issue tickets..

Just like people not smoking in company vehicles, I think that lasted ummmmmm about a day.

[kambites]

I'm not sure that points are the right thing, but something to discourage people from littering would be good. Especially cigarette butts (thrown out of cars or otherwise) and chewing gum - for some reason these annoy me more than bigger rubbish.

[NDA]

sone said:

I've witnessed people throwing beer cans, Macdonalds bags etc out of their car windows and in my opinion points are the very least they deserve.Who do these people think is going to clear up after them?.
So in my opinion points at least for them and fly tippers should have their testicles removed with a rusty spoon.

I don't agree with endorsing a license - but I followed a 4X4 on the A3 southbound recently - sandwich box, out, fag packet, out, beer can 1 out, beer can 2 out, some tissues, out, another sandwich box, out.

I overtook this car with the intention of giving them some useful hand signal but spotted that it was full of very large blokes with tattoos, so drove on.

[M400 NBL]

sone said:

I've witnessed people throwing beer cans, Macdonalds bags etc out of their car windows and in my opinion points are the very least they deserve.Who do these people think is going to clear up after them?.
So in my opinion points at least for them and fly tippers should have their testicles removed with a rusty spoon.

Was about to post something similar. Cycling behind ones of those Bentley looking Chryslers a few months back when one at a time, all four windows opened and fast food bags, boxes and cups were thrown into the road. Had I caught up with them (I shouted oi as load as I could, I didn't want to be swearing near my Dad's house) i'd have had no problem removing the drivers keys and lobbing them. If I had a camera fitted to the bike or myself I'd have taken his keys to the police station.

There are cases when points should be put on a license . Another driver trying to dodge 4 fast food bags could cause an accident.

I ------- hate people that can't keep rubbish in their cars until they can get to a bin.

[Marcellus]

yes I think we all agree the amount of litter on the streets in the UK needs something to be done about... just look at our European cousins for clean streets (in general)!

BUT the Europeans do employ people whose job it is is to make sure the streets, verges, villages are clear of rubbish because as a community they care about their country......

but back on topic points for littering... absolutely crazy..... will you need a pedestrian licence soon which will have a points system too for running too fast, dropping litter, J walking etc etc etc

[mattmoxon]

"It argues that as it is difficult to identify who has actually thrown the litter, all the blame should fall on the car owner."

"The owner should be responsible for the actions of those inside the car,"

So basically if someone decides to throw something out of a car the driver gets punished, bks total st why should the driver be punished - oh wait because its easier than finding out who actually did do it, and without the person who did it owning up to it there is no way of contesting so you are going to get nailed. More unenforceable garbage from a government on its ae, as stated above more attempts to criminalise and control.

I'd say I could never see this happening but these days, I'm not so sure it wouldn't

Matt

Edited by mattmoxon on Thursday 9th July 08:19

[Scraggles]

bunch of meddling s !

regularly chuck stuff out of the window, but apple cores and banana skins in the countryside where they biodegrade, ie not in the towns

chewing gum most other places as it gets driven over and soon gets broken down

plastics and cans get chucked in the passenger footwell to be cleared once a month or so

[109 Bob]

mat205125 said:

fatboy b said:

And once again, unless a policeman actually sees it happen, it never did.

Completely un-inforceable.

A lot of major junctions, where a lot of littering takes place, are covered by camera so couldn't photo evidence be taken from them, much like parking tickets in London.

I don't agree with points for littering. Big fine yes but no points.

Edited by 109 Bob on Thursday 9th July 08:35

[10 Pence Short]

I think it's entirely right and reasonable that people who throw litter from moving cars are given penalty points.

There is no justification whatsoever for disposing of your rubbish in that way and, in reality, since when did it become safe to throw things from a moving vehicle?

[kambites]

10 Pence Short said:

I think it's entirely right and reasonable that people who throw litter from moving cars are given penalty points.

There is no justification whatsoever for disposing of your rubbish in that way and, in reality, since when did it become safe to throw things from a moving vehicle?

I don't disagree, but surely they should be able to use existing dangerous driving laws to cover that?

[10 Pence Short]

kambites said:

10 Pence Short said:

I think it's entirely right and reasonable that people who throw litter from moving cars are given penalty points.

There is no justification whatsoever for disposing of your rubbish in that way and, in reality, since when did it become safe to throw things from a moving vehicle?

I don't disagree, but surely they should be able to use existing dangerous driving laws to cover that?

Not really. Then the only way you could inflict points is when you could prove the littering was a danger. You're talking about hugely expensive and time consuming crown court cases where there is little prospect of conviction.

An endorsable absolute offence specifically for littering sounds like a pretty good idea to me.

[kambites]

True. I guess that's the problem with dangerous driving - it's almost impossible to define "dangerous" and hence impossible to prove.