RE: Skoda Fabia vRS
Discussion
Podie said:
Welshbeef said:
Is the vRS better value than the Kia Ceed?
You having a laugh..? Wouldn't touch the Kia with a telescopic barge pole...I think anyone in their right mind would say the Kia is better Value than the vRS just look at the kit & relative price (oh and the seats are half leather too).
so for about £10.5k your getting a 6month old car Golf size which was designed by x VW designers & built in the newest and most advanced car production line in the world or you buy @ £8.5k for a 30k red example probably hardly any warrenty left on it + older + a design which is 8 years old + much less safety equipment.
Talk about badge snobs - your driving a skoda !!! The Kia could be the bargin the old Octavia vRS was
Welshbeef said:
Podie said:
Welshbeef said:
Is the vRS better value than the Kia Ceed?
You having a laugh..? Wouldn't touch the Kia with a telescopic barge pole...I think anyone in their right mind would say the Kia is better Value than the vRS just look at the kit & relative price (oh and the seats are half leather too).
so for about £10.5k your getting a 6month old car Golf size which was designed by x VW designers & built in the newest and most advanced car production line in the world or you buy @ £8.5k for a 30k red example probably hardly any warrenty left on it + older + a design which is 8 years old + much less safety equipment.
Talk about badge snobs - your driving a skoda !!! The Kia could be the bargin the old Octavia vRS was
Define "value"
We bought one in 2004. Did 70k miles, and traded it in at a MAIN DEALER for another, and got HALF our money back.
I'd put money on the fact that a 3 year old, 70k mile Kia won't be worth half what you paid for it. Ergo, the vRS is better value.
welshbeef said:
7year Bumper to bumper warrenty 100,000miles (transferable to new owners), bigger boot, climate control, curtain airbags, ipod & Mp3 connection , very good sound system, Front arm rest, aero wipers, cheaper ins, better mpg bigger internal space, good looks, multi function steering wheel!
Nothing went wrong on our 3 year old, 70k mile car. Why would I need such a long warranty?Bigger boot..? Isn’t the Cee’d a Focus sized car..? If the car is larger I’d expect bigger boot.
Climate control is a definitely a bonus, but I really can’t get excited about aero wipers, a front arm rest or a multi function steering wheel.
Better mpg? Is that manufacturers claims or real world from owners? I assume you know how manufacturers get the mpg claims..?
welshbeef said:
I think anyone in their right mind would say the Kia is better Value than the vRS just look at the kit & relative price (oh and the seats are half leather too).
See my previous post.welshbeef said:
so for about £10.5k your getting a 6month old car Golf size which was designed by x VW designers & built in the newest and most advanced car production line in the world or you buy @ £8.5k for a 30k red example probably hardly any warrenty left on it + older + a design which is 8 years old + much less safety equipment.
Goes back to my previous post. Define “value” – the Skoda holds it’s value. I have yet to see a car from the APAC region that does, although the Cee’d may well be the first… “newest and most advanced plant in the world” – I can think of numerous companies that claim that…
Podie said:
Welshbeef said:
Podie said:
Welshbeef said:
Is the vRS better value than the Kia Ceed?
You having a laugh..? Wouldn't touch the Kia with a telescopic barge pole...I think anyone in their right mind would say the Kia is better Value than the vRS just look at the kit & relative price (oh and the seats are half leather too).
so for about £10.5k your getting a 6month old car Golf size which was designed by x VW designers & built in the newest and most advanced car production line in the world or you buy @ £8.5k for a 30k red example probably hardly any warrenty left on it + older + a design which is 8 years old + much less safety equipment.
Talk about badge snobs - your driving a skoda !!! The Kia could be the bargin the old Octavia vRS was
Define "value"
We bought one in 2004. Did 70k miles, and traded it in at a MAIN DEALER for another, and got HALF our money back.
I'd put money on the fact that a 3 year old, 70k mile Kia won't be worth half what you paid for it. Ergo, the vRS is better value.
This is neither here or there though is it? Say you bought a direct competitor to the Ceed a VW Golf the Golf costs £18k and should hold 50% of its value after 3 years (and normal milage 36k not 70k) so that would be losing £9k. If you bought the Ceed @ £10.5k its forecast to hold onto 36% of its value so it will be worth £3,800 thats a loss of £6700 so it might lose a higher % but as it costs less in the first place the actual £ cash loss is £2.3k less than the Golf.
If your looking at the 04 Reg Golf GT TDI 140 (car giant) they have 80k examples whih are up for £7999 thats a loss of £10k in 3 years.
I think with the Ceed even if it had 70-80k on it buyers wouldnt be put off as it still have 20-30k of warrentied miles which would be at least 3 years for most people. The Golf presents issues at that milage to a lot of potential buyers.
Podie said:
welshbeef said:
7year Bumper to bumper warrenty 100,000miles (transferable to new owners), bigger boot, climate control, curtain airbags, ipod & Mp3 connection , very good sound system, Front arm rest, aero wipers, cheaper ins, better mpg bigger internal space, good looks, multi function steering wheel!
Nothing went wrong on our 3 year old, 70k mile car. Why would I need such a long warranty?Bigger boot..? Isn’t the Cee’d a Focus sized car..? If the car is larger I’d expect bigger boot.
Climate control is a definitely a bonus, but I really can’t get excited about aero wipers, a front arm rest or a multi function steering wheel.
Better mpg? Is that manufacturers claims or real world from owners? I assume you know how manufacturers get the mpg claims..?
welshbeef said:
I think anyone in their right mind would say the Kia is better Value than the vRS just look at the kit & relative price (oh and the seats are half leather too).
See my previous post.welshbeef said:
so for about £10.5k your getting a 6month old car Golf size which was designed by x VW designers & built in the newest and most advanced car production line in the world or you buy @ £8.5k for a 30k red example probably hardly any warrenty left on it + older + a design which is 8 years old + much less safety equipment.
Goes back to my previous post. Define “value” – the Skoda holds it’s value. I have yet to see a car from the APAC region that does, although the Cee’d may well be the first… “newest and most advanced plant in the world” – I can think of numerous companies that claim that…
The point is that if VW etc were really confident with their cars they too would provide 7 year 100k bumper to bumper warrenties but they realise that they currently cannot as it would be too expensive? A car maker offering that is making a real quality statement as what company would offer such a deal knowing that its parts cannot last the time or milage?
Note in the US the Kia brand provide 10 year 100k warrenties thats total piece of mind & they are number 2 in the Accord car segment with their magentis - mainly due to the fantastic warrenty and all the toys as std.
As for the plant - well t was Autoexpress who did a report on it when they picked up their klong term Ceed they were amazed with the plant & I guess thhat they have been to a few before I think the plant cost £500m+
With the boot thats exactly the point for city car money i.e. Fabis vRS your getting Golf sized car with all the toys - odd you dont see that as a benefit?
Aero wipers agree its not a big +, multi function steering wheel is a big plus i.e. cruise control, stereo, phone all on the wheel ina VW/BMW that is an expensive & desirable option (maybe not a consideration for a small city car buyer though?)
Seats Ive heard that the rear vRS seats have wripples on them and the front blosters can get "bobbles" like on wolly jumpers - the Kia has leather bolsters.
Ok as for the better value well Autotrader has a 90k 04 reg car up for £5.4k so thats a loss of £7,100 or 43% residual. thats not a million miles off the 36% forecast residual value + if you bought a Golf then yes the % loss is less but the £ loss will be much more.
No, just because 1 car doesn’t have any issues doesn’t mean others wont. They are mechanical things, and are as such all prone to failure. I’m basing my judgements on first hand experience and 10 years in the Auto industry – not second hand opinions on websites. To be honest, most cars start to rattle once they get to 70k, hell I know Porsches that rattle and creak at 30k.
Warranty doesn’t necessarily mean that the dealer will look at every squeak or rattle. You also have to ask WHY are they offering a 100k / 7yr warranty..?
US is a very different market, with very different expectations of quality.
I wouldn’t believe anything I read in AutoExpress to be honest. I’ve seen so many “scoops” and read so many stories of what new cars are going to look like… still when you work on the other side of the fence it gives a good laugh to see what the new [whatever car] is going to look like and perform like… half the time they seem to know more than the people working on it..!
I’m sure plant is very nice and cost lots, but then so is the Range Rover line, and the Audi plant, and the Bentley plant, and the Toyota plant…
If I wanted a bigger boot, I’d buy a bigger car. We have a small hatch (Fabia) and a large hatch (Mondeo) for those reasons. If I wanted a Golf sized car, then fine… but I don’t.
Quite frankly if you NEED a multi function steering wheel then you shouldn’t be driving… but that’s another discussion
Seats – again, can only comment on ours. Yes, they did get a tad grubby, but a bit of TLC sorts that. FYI leather bolsters that aren’t cared for will crack… it’s all horses for courses.
Historically cars from the APAC regions do not hold their value, and depreciate heavily. Granted all cars depreciate, but on the evidence in the classifieds the Fabia still commands a high price – you have to ask why this is. As you’ve said, it’s not the badge.
We paid our money and made our choice. For us the Fabia represents better value, for what we want it to do. I notice you don’t list any cars in your profile, so out of curiosity, what do you drive?
Warranty doesn’t necessarily mean that the dealer will look at every squeak or rattle. You also have to ask WHY are they offering a 100k / 7yr warranty..?
US is a very different market, with very different expectations of quality.
I wouldn’t believe anything I read in AutoExpress to be honest. I’ve seen so many “scoops” and read so many stories of what new cars are going to look like… still when you work on the other side of the fence it gives a good laugh to see what the new [whatever car] is going to look like and perform like… half the time they seem to know more than the people working on it..!
I’m sure plant is very nice and cost lots, but then so is the Range Rover line, and the Audi plant, and the Bentley plant, and the Toyota plant…If I wanted a bigger boot, I’d buy a bigger car. We have a small hatch (Fabia) and a large hatch (Mondeo) for those reasons. If I wanted a Golf sized car, then fine… but I don’t.
Quite frankly if you NEED a multi function steering wheel then you shouldn’t be driving… but that’s another discussion
Seats – again, can only comment on ours. Yes, they did get a tad grubby, but a bit of TLC sorts that. FYI leather bolsters that aren’t cared for will crack… it’s all horses for courses.
Historically cars from the APAC regions do not hold their value, and depreciate heavily. Granted all cars depreciate, but on the evidence in the classifieds the Fabia still commands a high price – you have to ask why this is. As you’ve said, it’s not the badge.
We paid our money and made our choice. For us the Fabia represents better value, for what we want it to do. I notice you don’t list any cars in your profile, so out of curiosity, what do you drive?
Welshbeef said:
I drive currently a Fiat Coupe 20V Trubo (and am looking at sensible replacements hence vRS/GT TDI140, 118d/120d, Ceed, Mondy TDCI etc).
Always had a soft spot for those (think it was the metal colour coded part in the dash!).Personally I'd consider any of those, except the 1 series, but that's based on aesthetics more than anything else...
Podie said:
Welshbeef said:
I drive currently a Fiat Coupe 20V Trubo (and am looking at sensible replacements hence vRS/GT TDI140, 118d/120d, Ceed, Mondy TDCI etc).
Always had a soft spot for those (think it was the metal colour coded part in the dash!).Personally I'd consider any of those, except the 1 series, but that's based on aesthetics more than anything else...
It is a pretty rapid car and vs any of those it isnt even a competition! None of the new Hot or super hot hatches have beaten it (Astra VXR, Leon Cupra, Focus ST, CTR, Alfa 147 GTS, Maxda RX8, Mazda MPS) Which I guess you would expect from a 220bhp LSD FWD 1200kg coupe. However go it must - I need more space (so I guess that S2000 is out) has to be 5 years old max reliable, efficient, fast when I need it to be etc.
Following a VAG TDI140 test drive it was certainly significantly slower to the point where Ive requested a drive in the 170TDI. And opting for the vRS furby its not going to be quick but its economical and has a reasonable amount of kick (but for not many revs).
I owned a Fabia vRS for over 3 years and absolutely loved it. No problems with it whatsoever, and they are definately quicker than Skodas claimed 9.5 seconds 0-60! Cheap to insure, reasonable service costs, 50+ mpg.
But in the end i went a bit daft and part exed it on a Vauxhall Monaro! (actually, pound for pound the Skoda is waaay more torquey than the Vauxhall!) But if my circumstances changed again, and i had to downsize my car - then i wouldn't hesitate in getting another vRS. Great car.
But in the end i went a bit daft and part exed it on a Vauxhall Monaro! (actually, pound for pound the Skoda is waaay more torquey than the Vauxhall!) But if my circumstances changed again, and i had to downsize my car - then i wouldn't hesitate in getting another vRS. Great car.
davegreg said:
I owned a Fabia vRS for over 3 years and absolutely loved it. No problems with it whatsoever, and they are definately quicker than Skodas claimed 9.5 seconds 0-60! Cheap to insure, reasonable service costs, 50+ mpg.
But in the end i went a bit daft and part exed it on a Vauxhall Monaro! (actually, pound for pound the Skoda is waaay more torquey than the Vauxhall!) But if my circumstances changed again, and i had to downsize my car - then i wouldn't hesitate in getting another vRS. Great car.
The faults of the vRS to me are - no Climate control, no multichanger CD (not interested in changing head unit), no ipod port, seats covers which will show up any dirt/marks.But in the end i went a bit daft and part exed it on a Vauxhall Monaro! (actually, pound for pound the Skoda is waaay more torquey than the Vauxhall!) But if my circumstances changed again, and i had to downsize my car - then i wouldn't hesitate in getting another vRS. Great car.
That said when I tested one I was more than happy - the only thing is for the same price age & milage would you not opt for a Leon Cupra TDI (150) over the vRS (which has much less kit)?
Monaro.... wow & you think its not as gutsy!
pbirkett said:
warren182 said:
pbirkett said:
Felicia racer said:
What i want to know is how the fabia competes against other cars in a race!
including petrol and other diesel models.
As for handling, I think you would be asking the impossible for it to compete with a good naturally aspirated hot hatch, such as a CTR, Clio 182, 306 GTI, etc etc...including petrol and other diesel models.
Still, you're talking about a really well sorted and well respected hot hatch like the 182 compared with a Skoda powered by an Aga, the fact that it can even attempt to mix it in such hoonery is pretty good, let alone acquit itself so well.
Clark said:
Welshbeef said:
I drive currently a Fiat Coupe 20V Trubo (and am looking at sensible replacements hence vRS/GT TDI140, 118d/120d, Ceed, Mondy TDCI etc).
Ibiza Cupra TDI?Fantastic diesel hot hatch. Seems totally under the radar for plenty... it's about the only diesel car out there that comes setup as a hot hatch. Iirc, it's only 1125kg and 190bhp is available (genuine) from a quick remap!
Thats a spicy meatball!
Dave
Fabia VRs is a damn good hot hatch more so considering its a diesel. Handling could be doing with tightening up and sort the suspension & interior out and I'd have bought one when I test drove 3 years ago.
I have to commend KIA and Hyundai for pushing the performance bargain envelope that most of us mere mortals can enjoy and admire. 100k mile warranty and performance... mmmhmmm...nice !
I have to commend KIA and Hyundai for pushing the performance bargain envelope that most of us mere mortals can enjoy and admire. 100k mile warranty and performance... mmmhmmm...nice !
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