The Official Indian Grand Prix Thread ******SPOILERS******

[RichB]

Eric Mc said:

If you have ever read anything about Clark you would be pretty sure you had an idea of his character. By all accounts, he was a very shy and self effacing man who never truly understood the talent he possessed.

No, I never knew him personally but I have read quite a lot about him and I have seen and heard him being interviewed.

Is a person's opinion of someone null and void if they didn't know the person personally?

Only on Pistonheads Eric, where if you disagree with someone you're either a fanboy or fanboi (depending if you have Norman genes), you are a tin-hatter (whatever one of those is) or you are a footballist (bit too Clarkson'esque for me, shows a lack of imagination as insults go). I'm afraid having an opinion is not really the done thing on here.

[sb-1]

Mermaid said:

To beat Schummie's record. He wants at least 8 championship wins.

Yes but then if he stays at Red Bull to try and do that,people will just say that Schumacher's record was better because was with different teams.

[Mermaid]

sb-1 said:

Mermaid said:

To beat Schummie's record. He wants at least 8 championship wins.

Yes but then if he stays at Red Bull to try and do that,people will just say that Schumacher's record was better because was with different teams.

SV will dispense with Red Bull ( & Horner) as soon as there is a better team on offer - and that can't be that long.

[MiniMan64]

Mermaid said:

sb-1 said:

Mermaid said:

To beat Schummie's record. He wants at least 8 championship wins.

Yes but then if he stays at Red Bull to try and do that,people will just say that Schumacher's record was better because was with different teams.

SV will dispense with Red Bull ( & Horner) as soon as there is a better team on offer - and that can't be that long.

This. Just look at Hamilton.

If the rules favour Merc or Ferrari engines next year then he won't hang around.

[Galileo]

Kaiser_Wull said:

Galileo said:

"condoned Vettel's vulgar triumphalism" is using someone else of higher standing to put your own views across. No one but Clarke can speak for Clarke and it is "vulgar" to think that anyone can.

Your inability to get Jim Clark's surname right strike me as being rather vulgar.

I was making an adult observation. Feel free to join in when you've grown up.

Edited by Galileo on Wednesday 30th October 10:39

[1000TCR]

mollytherocker said:

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The finger implies that he is number one and its all down to him. Its all me i tell you, ALL ME!

I'm pretty sure that this is not what he want's to tell us. Germans use the thumb to show a 1. The forefinger alone has no meaning at all.
--> "Inglourious Basterds" in the Bar

[BaronVonVaderham]

BelperJim said:

BaronVonVaderham said:

...just ride a wave of success created by others...

Vettel is part of the wave of success not riding on it.

Ok let me break it down:

Waves are casued by gravity, gravity in this case is Newey.

The surfer, finely balanced and perfectly in tune with the wave is in this case, the RB9.

Finally we need a plank of wood to combine the surfer and wave in oceanic matrimony. The plank is vettel.

[007 VXR]

BaronVonVaderham said:

BelperJim said:

BaronVonVaderham said:

...just ride a wave of success created by others...

Vettel is part of the wave of success not riding on it.

Ok let me break it down:

Waves are casued by gravity, gravity in this case is Newey.

The surfer, finely balanced and perfectly in tune with the wave is in this case, the RB9.

Finally we need a plank of wood to combine the surfer and wave in oceanic matrimony. The plank is vettel.

But take the plank away = nil points ?

[BelperJim]

OK Let me break it down:

Red Bull Racing as a team make up the bottom layers of a house of cards.

"Performance" makes up the top layers.

Removing anyone from that team could see a certain amount of performance fall. Who knows even Mark Webber leaving next year may lose them a tenth in development feedback.

The bottom line is until you start removing cards from the house who knows how much performance might be lost.

[oyster]

BaronVonVaderham said:

007 VXR said:

oyster said:

Laplace said:

Congratulations to Seb, a thoroughly deserved 4th title. He drove another blinder and is the real deal as far as I'm concerned. Quite what he has to do to convince some people is beyond me.

And that's coming from me, a stinking Hamilton fanboi!

According to many people on this thread he needs to leave the top team (and a good chance of further success) for a lesser team who aren't very good.

A bit like suggesting that the only way Messi can prove he's world class is to move to Crystal Palace.

+1
Which is just a big joke.... why would you leave the best ? If you want to win.

Too prove to everyone that you can win in non-newey car and build a team, not just ride a wave of success created by others.

I suspect you'd just move the goalposts if he did that?

I remember all the talk a year or two back about whether he could race and overtake. Well, he's now making overtaking look easy. He is arguably better at it than Hamilton now (though Hungary wasn't great for him).

So the questions have moved on to car dominance (or worse - favouritism).

[ajprice]

oyster said:

I remember all the talk a year or two back about whether he could race and overtake. Well, he's now making overtaking look easy. He is arguably better at it than Hamilton now (though Hungary wasn't great for him).

Just taking India as an example here, a lot of the overtaking came along with radio messages to the other guy along the lines of "You're not racing Vettel, let him by". Add DRS/KERS into that... When he's however many seconds ahead of 2nd place, and taking places back from a pit stop, yes, technically there aren't blue flags, but their fight isn't with Vettel, so they'll let him by and get on with their own race.

On the other hand (and it gets me to say this about him) but Perez's pass on Hamilton and Raikkonen, when Lewis was holding back to get the DRS zone, was very well done.

[Galileo]

oyster said:

BaronVonVaderham said:

007 VXR said:

oyster said:

Laplace said:

Congratulations to Seb, a thoroughly deserved 4th title. He drove another blinder and is the real deal as far as I'm concerned. Quite what he has to do to convince some people is beyond me.

And that's coming from me, a stinking Hamilton fanboi!

According to many people on this thread he needs to leave the top team (and a good chance of further success) for a lesser team who aren't very good.

A bit like suggesting that the only way Messi can prove he's world class is to move to Crystal Palace.

+1
Which is just a big joke.... why would you leave the best ? If you want to win.

Too prove to everyone that you can win in non-newey car and build a team, not just ride a wave of success created by others.

I suspect you'd just move the goalposts if he did that?

I remember all the talk a year or two back about whether he could race and overtake. Well, he's now making overtaking look easy. He is arguably better at it than Hamilton now (though Hungary wasn't great for him).

So the questions have moved on to car dominance (or worse - favouritism).

On that point, RedBull weren't winning a great deal until Vettel turned up, and Newey had been there for a couple of years before he did. So if the Newey car is so brilliant and 'anyone' could win in it, why weren't they dominant before Vettel joined. If I remember rightly when Vettel was in the TorroRosso he was taking the race to the RB drivers.

[Galileo]

BaronVonVaderham said:

BelperJim said:

BaronVonVaderham said:

...just ride a wave of success created by others...

Vettel is part of the wave of success not riding on it.

Ok let me break it down:

Waves are casued by gravity, gravity in this case is Newey.

The surfer, finely balanced and perfectly in tune with the wave is in this case, the RB9.

Finally we need a plank of wood to combine the surfer and wave in oceanic matrimony. The plank is vettel.

People like you would argue that the sky is green just because you don't like the colour blue.

[BaronVonVaderham]

Galileo said:

People like you would argue that the sky is green just because you don't like the colour blue.

[BaronVonVaderham]

oyster said:

BaronVonVaderham said:

007 VXR said:

oyster said:

Laplace said:

Congratulations to Seb, a thoroughly deserved 4th title. He drove another blinder and is the real deal as far as I'm concerned. Quite what he has to do to convince some people is beyond me.

And that's coming from me, a stinking Hamilton fanboi!

According to many people on this thread he needs to leave the top team (and a good chance of further success) for a lesser team who aren't very good.

A bit like suggesting that the only way Messi can prove he's world class is to move to Crystal Palace.

+1
Which is just a big joke.... why would you leave the best ? If you want to win.

Too prove to everyone that you can win in non-newey car and build a team, not just ride a wave of success created by others.

I suspect you'd just move the goalposts if he did that?

I remember all the talk a year or two back about whether he could race and overtake. Well, he's now making overtaking look easy. He is arguably better at it than Hamilton now (though Hungary wasn't great for him).

So the questions have moved on to car dominance (or worse - favouritism).

No, I would eat my Lotus/Renault hat, don my Redbull Vettel #1 hat (won at FoS, not purchased!) and hold my hands up and hail him as one of the greats.

It's not that he makes overtaking look easy, he's happened upon a lot of easy over-takes due to the minimal pace at which the races are run in due to tyre preservation/ 'not racing him' radio calls etc.

[RichB]

BaronVonVaderham said:

Galileo said:

People like you would argue that the sky is green just because you don't like the colour blue.

[007 VXR]

RichB said:

BaronVonVaderham said:

Galileo said:

People like you would argue that the sky is green just because you don't like the colour blue.

[Galileo]

BaronVonVaderham said:

Galileo said:

People like you would argue that the sky is green just because you don't like the colour blue.

Nicely avoided. Touche.

[jbudgie]

Galileo said:

Kaiser_Wull said:

Galileo said:

"condoned Vettel's vulgar triumphalism" is using someone else of higher standing to put your own views across. No one but Clarke can speak for Clarke and it is "vulgar" to think that anyone can.

Your inability to get Jim Clark's surname right strike me as being rather vulgar.

I was making an adult observation. Feel free to join in when you've grown up.

Edited by Galileo on Wednesday 30th October 10:39

Most adults on this forum would know the correct spelling.

[007 VXR]

jbudgie said:

Galileo said:

Kaiser_Wull said:

Galileo said:

"condoned Vettel's vulgar triumphalism" is using someone else of higher standing to put your own views across. No one but Clarke can speak for Clarke and it is "vulgar" to think that anyone can.

Your inability to get Jim Clark's surname right strike me as being rather vulgar.

I was making an adult observation. Feel free to join in when you've grown up.

Edited by Galileo on Wednesday 30th October 10:39

Most adults on this forum would know the correct spelling.

Play nice kids!