Raikkonen Interview - Sky F1 Show - 5pm

Raikkonen Interview - Sky F1 Show - 5pm

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straightsixmik

192 posts

177 months

Sunday 3rd November 2013
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StevieBee said:
This....but....

Eric Boullier made what I thought was a good point. That is that the team is having cashflow problems. His priority is to the staff who need to be paid their wages in order to live, to pay mortgages, to feed their families. When companies are faced with these sorts of blips (and many do), a pecking order kicks in and people with many millions in the bank already and who need not lift another finger for the rest of their lives, often - and IMO, rightly - find themselves a little lower down that pecking order.
You can't be serious? If raikkonen's contract stipulates payment Monthly ( which after last year you would have thought he would have demanded) then boulier has no right to instigate millipede e nomics and rob From the perceived rich to pay the poor. Raikkonen has earned 60% of the team points and thus revenue. Lopez instead of saying what a great mate raikkonen is should dig deep and pay the man.

rubystone

11,254 posts

260 months

Sunday 3rd November 2013
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straightsixmik said:
Eric Boullier made what I thought was a good point. That is that the team is having cashflow problems. His priority is to the staff who need to be paid their wages in order to live, to pay mortgages, to feed their families. When companies are faced with these sorts of blips (and many do), a pecking order kicks in and people with many millions in the bank already and who need not lift another finger for the rest of their lives, often - and IMO, rightly - find themselves a little lower down that pecking order.
That has to be some kind strange logic...without a driver in that car racking up the points to enable the team to finish in 3/4 place, the team would not have received/receive FOM money. That is a damn sight more ($40m+) than Raikkonen's wages!

I am puzzled as to why Genii cannot (or choose not) use their existing funding lines to bridge the gap.

garycab

457 posts

168 months

Sunday 3rd November 2013
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The whole operation at Enstone is a shambles, I work for a supplier who has to put them on stop every other week, it's not only Kimi that doesn't get paid, everyone from drivers to kitchen staff have to wait to get payed at times !

FourWheelDrift

88,576 posts

285 months

Sunday 3rd November 2013
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Quantum 35% buy into the team deal done, Lotus finances for 2014 in place, apology to Raikonnen pay on it's way.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/111124

rubystone

11,254 posts

260 months

Sunday 3rd November 2013
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garycab said:
The whole operation at Enstone is a shambles, I work for a supplier who has to put them on stop every other week, it's not only Kimi that doesn't get paid, everyone from drivers to kitchen staff have to wait to get payed at times !
Actually, the operation is fabulous. It's the way its owners run it that is a fault....but having worked for VCs for 4 years before selling the company, I know how EBITDA is king. The people at Enstone and facilities are great and have always sweated every cent they have.

deadslow

8,014 posts

224 months

Sunday 3rd November 2013
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rubystone said:
Actually, the operation is fabulous.
No. It's an embarrassment.

garycab

457 posts

168 months

Sunday 3rd November 2013
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rubystone said:
garycab said:
The whole operation at Enstone is a shambles, I work for a supplier who has to put them on stop every other week, it's not only Kimi that doesn't get paid, everyone from drivers to kitchen staff have to wait to get payed at times !
Actually, the operation is fabulous. It's the way its owners run it that is a fault....but having worked for VCs for 4 years before selling the company, I know how EBITDA is king. The people at Enstone and facilities are great and have always sweated every cent they have.
Ok, i'ii rephrase that. I know the 'workers' on the shop floor put in 100% and work whatever hours it takes, as I know first hand. There may even be some of those on here who obviously know that, but when it comes to paying suppliers and staff it is a shambles. Why should a driver put his life on the line, testing, and a race weekend and not get paid.....strange.

rubystone

11,254 posts

260 months

Sunday 3rd November 2013
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deadslow said:
No. It's an embarrassment.
Maybe we need to compare notes offline?

VolvoT5

4,155 posts

175 months

Sunday 3rd November 2013
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FourWheelDrift said:
Quantum 35% buy into the team deal done, Lotus finances for 2014 in place, apology to Raikonnen pay on it's way.

http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/111124
If they had sorted that deal out 2 months ago they would still have Kimi in the team....... at least Hulk might get a decent drive now ?

rubystone

11,254 posts

260 months

Sunday 3rd November 2013
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garycab said:
Ok, i'ii rephrase that. I know the 'workers' on the shop floor put in 100% and work whatever hours it takes, as I know first hand. There may even be some of those on here who obviously know that, but when it comes to paying suppliers and staff it is a shambles. Why should a driver put his life on the line, testing, and a race weekend and not get paid.....strange.
No argument over the fact that Raikkonen should've been paid. The Robertsons are sharks though (and I mean that in the nicest possible way) so I cannot figure out why this has gone on for so long.

benters

1,459 posts

135 months

Monday 4th November 2013
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going on whats been said on the Beeb etc . . .i think K.R was right to make a stand. How long would you work before not getting paid ? i know the sums of money are astronomic compared to us mortals, but the principle is the principle. Surely K.R. see's it as, why am i driving for a team that doesnt pay ? or doesnt appear to have reached a settlement or agreement to pay until very recently, why would he stay, they could have offered him anything they like, but if K.R. feels its a hollow promise then why not leave to go elsewhere, let alone Ferrari.
As for the radio stuff, heat of the moment really, if emotions were not running high then i would be very dissapointed in both the Team and the driver. As such i would have thought this was easy to smooth over, but if lines have been drawn by both the team and K.R. before hand then its easy to see why the crack between them developes to a chasm so quickly.
What ever happens, Kimi and Fernando, i hope will make F1 so much more interesting than it has been recently. we will see in 2014.

superkartracer

8,959 posts

223 months

Monday 4th November 2013
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Kimi took the car out on Sun, professionally done hehe

Also see his point, be it the man filling the bins or the man flying to the moon, you don't get paid you simply stop working .

Radio seemed harsh for public viewing ( listening ) .

sad61t

1,100 posts

211 months

Monday 4th November 2013
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superkartracer said:
Kimi took the car out on Sun, professionally done hehe

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Was just showing my manager the in-car video and we came to a similar conclusion. It looks an unusual move - full left-lock for the corner to full right just as another car narrows the gap. Maybe he was tapped from behind and got sudden oversteer? Didn't say anything to the end in the post-race interview though.

superkartracer

8,959 posts

223 months

Monday 4th November 2013
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He jumped from his race-car and into his road-car and drove home hehe

peterbredde

775 posts

201 months

Monday 4th November 2013
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I've been in his position (but owed considerably less shall we say). Whether to tow the line and play ball, for me was a question of how I felt I was being treated and whether I thought I was going to get screwed. Only Kimi can judge that one.