The new cars...

The new cars...

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designndrive62

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744 posts

158 months

Tuesday 12th November 2013
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http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/111262

I really hope this impression of the rules is highly overdone. It literally looks like f1 is giving the finger....


Eric Mc

122,050 posts

266 months

Tuesday 12th November 2013
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Vettel will like it.

Ken Sington

3,959 posts

239 months

Tuesday 12th November 2013
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Esseesse

8,969 posts

209 months

Tuesday 12th November 2013
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IIRC the rules about the dropped nose is to do with safety so that the end is less at another drivers height.

They should work on the rules so something more like this nose is the logical solution...


sanf

673 posts

173 months

Tuesday 12th November 2013
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Esseesse said:
IIRC the rules about the dropped nose is to do with safety so that the end is less at another drivers height.

They should work on the rules so something more like this nose is the logical solution...

I was a teenager during this period of F1 and a massive Nige fan - have to say looking back at the pictures they really were pretty cars, especially compared to now. Over the years -

The 89/90 Ferrari
The 91/92 Williams
The 91 Jordan
The 89 Onyx car

Even some of the Minardi's / Dallara's / Lola (Lamborghini) / Ossella's

Were great looking. Hopefully some form over function changes soon.

designndrive62

Original Poster:

744 posts

158 months

Tuesday 12th November 2013
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Esseesse said:
IIRC the rules about the dropped nose is to do with safety so that the end is less at another drivers height.

They should work on the rules so something more like this nose is the logical solution...

Unfortunately I don't think we will ever see cars with noses like this again due to the cars of that era Being prone to submarining under another car in a rear impact ther are some pretty stringent rules around the nose cone to stop any designs like this again frown

rdjohn

6,186 posts

196 months

Tuesday 12th November 2013
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I think the 185mm nose height is about right. It is the fuel and tyre saving that will ruin it.

Allyc85

7,225 posts

187 months

Tuesday 12th November 2013
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So potentially ugly looking and boring sounding cars next year. Cant wait.

dr_gn

16,168 posts

185 months

Tuesday 12th November 2013
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Allyc85 said:
So potentially ugly looking and boring sounding cars next year. Cant wait.
Yeah but hey, they'll be really efficient.


Piss up / brewery

mollytherocker

14,366 posts

210 months

Tuesday 12th November 2013
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Have these guys even got a single clue about anything?

Oh, and can we get rid of these ridiculous front wing details please? They must have a million different surfaces!

Aaaaagh!

Esseesse

8,969 posts

209 months

Tuesday 12th November 2013
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They'd just have to say that any part of the surface of the nose cone in front of the front suspension must be a convex shape with no perforations in it. Maybe also that the mounts for the front wing must be attached to the nose on part of the surface within 10 degrees of horizontal.

Esseesse

8,969 posts

209 months

Tuesday 12th November 2013
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Also to get back towards the nice smooth shape of the car above, no radii in the bodywork of less than 4cm or something, and ban the little aero trinkets that appear all over the body.

designndrive62

Original Poster:

744 posts

158 months

Tuesday 12th November 2013
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I find it funny that the designers blame the fia for their ugly cars... After all, it's the designers that have the pen in their hand...

Esseesse

8,969 posts

209 months

Tuesday 12th November 2013
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designndrive62 said:
I find it funny that the designers blame the fia for their ugly cars... After all, it's the designers that have the pen in their hand...
But design is normally more about how something works than how it looks, especially in this case.

Woody

2,187 posts

285 months

Wednesday 13th November 2013
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Perhaps something like this:



Always thought the Tyrell was a good looking car.

designndrive62

Original Poster:

744 posts

158 months

Wednesday 13th November 2013
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Esseesse said:
But design is normally more about how something works than how it looks, especially in this case.
Agreed. I suppose it is a bit of a demonstration of how 'wrong' f1 is these days. Regulations are changed so often/ill considered before implemented/heavily restrictive that designers are forced to design something ugly to be competitive.

Perhaps the FIA should be a little more relaxed on rules in some areas to allow some freedom of design. I also think that the teams and designers should moan a little less and if they really are worried about their 'ugly' cars, they should do something about it. Propose alternatives to the FIA, that sort of thing, they cannot just stand their and point the finger at someone else.

scubadude

2,618 posts

198 months

Wednesday 13th November 2013
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Surely noone will use the Monkey nose in the article linked by the OP? You'd just loose the two vertical wing supports and replace them with a central "post" that meets the nose width regulation and use it to carry the wing too.

Perhaps the FIA need to add a Style clause, you can't race unless Mrs Beckham* says it looks good? :-)

(* Or insert someone with actual taste)

ajprice

27,507 posts

197 months

Wednesday 13th November 2013
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There's a big thread on f1technical about the noses http://www.f1technical.net/forum/viewtopic.php?f=1... , this monkey nose thing looks like it's legal, and a few teams could use it. There's some hope that they could be some with noses similar to the 2007 cars like the MP4/21, but the wing wouldn't be dipped in the middle, they don't think the 2009 Brawn nose would be legal.


Tyrrell and Footwork used to run single pillar noses
http://trackthoughts.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/1...

Also talk there that the Williams 'walrus nose' could make a comeback.

DOCG

562 posts

55 months

Thursday 18th April
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With hindsight, I think it is safe to say that 2014 was the year F1 truly died.

Jasandjules

69,922 posts

230 months

Thursday 18th April
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DOCG said:
With hindsight, I think it is safe to say that 2014 was the year F1 truly died.
2021. But they are doing their best to ensure it does not recover it seems.