Newey, stay or go?
Discussion
My view is he didn't deny it much at all and suspect he'd quite like the challenge of turning another team around.
I don't think it will be about money, after all, I can't imagine Red Bull are exactly underpaying him nor that they would not match nor beat any other offer made.
I don't think it will be about money, after all, I can't imagine Red Bull are exactly underpaying him nor that they would not match nor beat any other offer made.
Edited by Gaz. on Sunday 11th May 21:50
Gaz. said:
I'm really not sure. He went to Mclaren because Frank & Patrick wouldn't sell/give him a share in the team AND Ron was going to pay him £2m per year. He left Mclaren because he didn't have as much control as he wanted. RBR pay him loads, give him freedom to race & do other things and direct the design of the car. Unless Ferrari are going to pay him a mega salary I think he'll leave F1 and design something else for RBR.
Luca is desperate. An open cheque book?PS - what you did there, I see it!
I posted about this in the GP thread..
I can see it happening, go to Ferrari for a few years, another title or two and then retire to play with yachts.
I was thinking about when he left other teams and quite remember the circumstances but at the moment RBR are stuck with an engine that is behind the others (certainly Merc) and his aero can't make up for it.. Even if Renault come up with the goods, the Merc is tough competition right now.
So, skip town, buy a nice place in Modena and pull those guys up the RBR level or better. Ferrari are getting fairly desperate so may well agree to give him a free hand / whatever he wants.
On the other hand he can stay ar RBR, get his own way, paid quite nicely and doesn't have to move anywhere...
I can see it happening, go to Ferrari for a few years, another title or two and then retire to play with yachts.
I was thinking about when he left other teams and quite remember the circumstances but at the moment RBR are stuck with an engine that is behind the others (certainly Merc) and his aero can't make up for it.. Even if Renault come up with the goods, the Merc is tough competition right now.
So, skip town, buy a nice place in Modena and pull those guys up the RBR level or better. Ferrari are getting fairly desperate so may well agree to give him a free hand / whatever he wants.
On the other hand he can stay ar RBR, get his own way, paid quite nicely and doesn't have to move anywhere...
Newey is best when certain regulations favour his style of design, massive rear downforce dependancy.
Nearly all of his WDC and WCC winning cars have had exhaust blown diffusers playing a massive role in the cars from the Leyton House March onwards. He excels at it.
It was only Schumi-Bridgestone-reliability that really stopped him. The 1990s belonged to him. Mclaren-Mercedes were never reliable consistently and Red Bull in the early years did not have a proper wind tunnel etc.
Now though...even though they have a neat design....the single central exhaust layout works against hia design ethos....until he makes it all click again.
Nearly all of his WDC and WCC winning cars have had exhaust blown diffusers playing a massive role in the cars from the Leyton House March onwards. He excels at it.
It was only Schumi-Bridgestone-reliability that really stopped him. The 1990s belonged to him. Mclaren-Mercedes were never reliable consistently and Red Bull in the early years did not have a proper wind tunnel etc.
Now though...even though they have a neat design....the single central exhaust layout works against hia design ethos....until he makes it all click again.
belleair302 said:
His decisions are all made by his wife, I kid you not. Marigold is a fearsome lady. She wont move to Italy and he enjoys his classic car racing too much to pop across to Ferrari. Next stop racing yachts with Red Bull or Oracle and the USA....where he has lived and worked before.
Why would it involve a move to Italy? I thought Ferrari's F1 operation was in the UK like pretty much all the others?hidetheelephants said:
belleair302 said:
His decisions are all made by his wife, I kid you not. Marigold is a fearsome lady. She wont move to Italy and he enjoys his classic car racing too much to pop across to Ferrari. Next stop racing yachts with Red Bull or Oracle and the USA....where he has lived and worked before.
Why would it involve a move to Italy? I thought Ferrari's F1 operation was in the UK like pretty much all the others?Maranello
Edited by Exige77 on Monday 12th May 17:55
belleair302 said:
His decisions are all made by his wife, I kid you not. Marigold is a fearsome lady. She wont move to Italy and he enjoys his classic car racing too much to pop across to Ferrari. Next stop racing yachts with Red Bull or Oracle and the USA....where he has lived and worked before.
Ferrari allowed John Barnard to set up a design studio in Guildford, so maybe that is the carrot for Newey? "Sign with us and you can have your own design studio in the UK to design whatever you want, on the condition that one of the designs is a new F1 car for us every year..."belleair302 said:
His decisions are all made by his wife, I kid you not. Marigold is a fearsome lady. She wont move to Italy and he enjoys his classic car racing too much to pop across to Ferrari. Next stop racing yachts with Red Bull or Oracle and the USA....where he has lived and worked before.
you're about 3 years out of date mate. He went through a messy divorce in 2011. Current squeeze has a Central European surname and comes to some of the races with him (she was at Barca this weekend for example) Not sure where the statements about Williams and McLaren came from - neither statement was accurate about his reason for leaving the teams.I think he'll end up doing other stuff for RBR. He could afford to buy a 250 GTO should he chose to...
How desperate is Montezemolo?
It appears that Ferrari would benefit from aero and in-house hybrid knowledge. Their finances are very healthy, although obviously FIAT need to approve major moves or changes.
They have been after Newey for a number of years. So why not go the whole hog?
Buy/build a Design HQ in Carbon Fibre Valley in England. Lure both Newey and Brawn to command design and technical operations from there. Continue to run the construction and racing operations from Modena.
Why Brawn as well? They need someone to build the technical hybrid team - and with that they could do two things. Improve their road car offerings and mount an assault on Le Mans too....
As well as factory support for Brawn and Newey's private historic car dalliances (a P4 or a 512 at Historic Le Mans), the money to allow them to buy the machines, a prototype Le Mans challenge might be enough to get both individuals juices flowing.
Will it happen - no. Sadly Montezemolo is too conservative and sensitive to Italy's pride to implement such a radical solution. But heavens, it would be wonderful to watch.
It appears that Ferrari would benefit from aero and in-house hybrid knowledge. Their finances are very healthy, although obviously FIAT need to approve major moves or changes.
They have been after Newey for a number of years. So why not go the whole hog?
Buy/build a Design HQ in Carbon Fibre Valley in England. Lure both Newey and Brawn to command design and technical operations from there. Continue to run the construction and racing operations from Modena.
Why Brawn as well? They need someone to build the technical hybrid team - and with that they could do two things. Improve their road car offerings and mount an assault on Le Mans too....
As well as factory support for Brawn and Newey's private historic car dalliances (a P4 or a 512 at Historic Le Mans), the money to allow them to buy the machines, a prototype Le Mans challenge might be enough to get both individuals juices flowing.
Will it happen - no. Sadly Montezemolo is too conservative and sensitive to Italy's pride to implement such a radical solution. But heavens, it would be wonderful to watch.
Teppic said:
belleair302 said:
His decisions are all made by his wife, I kid you not. Marigold is a fearsome lady. She wont move to Italy and he enjoys his classic car racing too much to pop across to Ferrari. Next stop racing yachts with Red Bull or Oracle and the USA....where he has lived and worked before.
Ferrari allowed John Barnard to set up a design studio in Guildford, so maybe that is the carrot for Newey? "Sign with us and you can have your own design studio in the UK to design whatever you want, on the condition that one of the designs is a new F1 car for us every year..."Jaguar had a similar problem in their early years too. Their cars were designed in the UK, but wind tunnel tested in America....and the figures never correlated with each other. It was only the stonking Cosworth V10 power plant that helped them on power cicuits like Monza and Hockenheim and Spa.
Schermerhorn said:
It didn't work out very well for them though, did it? Ferrari F1 cars designed in the UK were crap.
1989 - Ferrari 640 - 3 wins (2 for Mansell, 1 for Berger)1994 - Ferrari 412T1 - 1 race win with Gerhard Berger at Hockenheim
1995 - Ferrart 412T2 - 1 race win with Jean Alesi at Montreal.
1996 - Ferrari F310 - Ugly as sin, but 3 wins with Schumacher
1997 - Ferrari F310B - A lot prettier, and 5 wins and a championship contender until Michael decided to act like a t
t.Every one of John Barnard's designs for Maranello won at least one race. So yes, they were s
t.Gassing Station | Formula 1 | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff