The Official Canadian GP Thread 2014***SPOILERS***
Discussion
zac510 said:
Jasandjules said:
I think Lewis tends to do rather well here even in a car which doesn't dominate, so I imagine he is going to do very well indeed......
Well that's completely flawed logic because he's never been to Canada in a car that dominates.The logic is sound.
simonpeter said:
Mercedes cakewalk number 7. Previously known as the Canadian GP. Can`t wait zzzzzzzzzzzzz
Wake up at the back there! 
Did you also get lots of ZZZZZZZeds in during the 4 years of Vettel domination ?
I'm puzzled by the number of fans here who post something on these ZZZZZZ lines. So, another question. What sort of race would those who post such stuff keep them or you awake? I ask because I have never been bored by any F1 race. There's always something there to hold my attention even throughout the Schumacher years..
Maybe it's a disappointed "more deserving driver" fan boy thing ... :dunno: .... and still I find it puzzling.
Sexual Chocolate said:
MGJohn said:
I'm puzzled by the number of fans here who post something on these ZZZZZZ lines. So, another question. What sort of race would those who post such stuff keep them or you awake?
A grid full of Maldonado's would be very entertaining. Sexual Chocolate said:
MGJohn said:
I'm puzzled by the number of fans here who post something on these ZZZZZZ lines. So, another question. What sort of race would those who post such stuff keep them or you awake?
A grid full of Maldonado's would be very entertaining. Mind you, that scenario would send all the "Get Maldonado" mindsets here into permanent terminal decline.
Jasandjules said:
zac510 said:
Jasandjules said:
I think Lewis tends to do rather well here even in a car which doesn't dominate, so I imagine he is going to do very well indeed......
Well that's completely flawed logic because he's never been to Canada in a car that dominates.The logic is sound.
I understood him too but it really is a far too small sample to be statistically significant. The internet forums are full of 'proof by deductive logic' as in if we look at all samples, then take away the ones that don't fit out theory and then we're left with the ones that prove the theory. It's flawed probability theory, which means it's a flawed prediction too.
Lets face it nobody wants a one team dominated F1. Or a one driver dominated F1. Racing fans want to see racing. Not knowing the result before the start is what keeps you awake. I have been around long enough to remember when F1 were unreliable and a driver could miss a gear shift. Also you didn`t have technicians telling the driver how to drive the bloody car. They had to work it out for themselves, imagine that!
MGJohn said:
Wake up at the back there!
Did you also get lots of ZZZZZZZeds in during the 4 years of Vettel domination ?
I'm puzzled by the number of fans here who post something on these ZZZZZZ lines. So, another question. What sort of race would those who post such stuff keep them or you awake? I ask because I have never been bored by any F1 race. There's always something there to hold my attention even throughout the Schumacher years..
Maybe it's a disappointed "more deserving driver" fan boy thing ... :dunno: .... and still I find it puzzling.
Did you also get lots of ZZZZZZZeds in during the 4 years of Vettel domination ?
I'm puzzled by the number of fans here who post something on these ZZZZZZ lines. So, another question. What sort of race would those who post such stuff keep them or you awake? I ask because I have never been bored by any F1 race. There's always something there to hold my attention even throughout the Schumacher years..
Maybe it's a disappointed "more deserving driver" fan boy thing ... :dunno: .... and still I find it puzzling.
simonpeter said:
Lets face it nobody wants a one team dominated F1. Or a one driver dominated F1. Racing fans want to see racing. Not knowing the result before the start is what keeps you awake. I have been around long enough to remember when F1 were unreliable and a driver could miss a gear shift. Also you didn`t have technicians telling the driver how to drive the bloody car. They had to work it out for themselves, imagine that!
I recon Ferrari's Tifosi would quite like to see one team dominate F1, as long as it's the one from Maranello.Likewise Mclaren fans would like to see the Woking cars dominate.
I'd actually quite like to see a series where different cars are better or worse on different circuits - I liked it when Ferrari were running V12s against the Benetton's Ford V8, and other players V10s. When I say "different cars", I really mean it - fundamentally different architectures.
It meant the Ferraris did well at tracks where top end power was needed (eg. Monza), and the Benetton did well at circuits that demanded tractibility (eg. Hungary, Monaco). Nobody dominated a season, but on a given track certain cars dominated.
O/T but:
The days of that level of freedom in the formula are long gone, sadly. We already have spec tyres, spec ECUs, *practically* spec engines, and the other rules are so tight that it tends to be fine details rather than conceptual leaps that give benefits. Even where one manufacturer does something different (eg. Merc splitting the ERS-H from the turbo), that tends to end up set in stone rather than being something that drives everyone forwards - it's just a niggle that nobody else who has an existing homologated engine will be able to do that now.
Money is at the root of the issues. The small teams don't have the dough to do much more than throw together cars from the available bits, and the big teams don't have the windtunnel or CFD hours to make big leaps. F1's revenues are being leeched by CVC partners (who did essentially nothing to advance the sport at all, and they bought it from Bernie's company cheaply rather than for a fair price from the teams themselves. Bernie himself only managed this with the help of a ridiculous term for the rights from the FIA thanks to his old pal Max and a fair amount of fancy footwork playing the teams off against each other).
At some point it'll come to a head, the teams will get together and realise that some external bunch of private equity d
heads taking about 50% of their revenue for doing nothing at all isn't a great way to run the show. It'll happen after Bernie's left the building, because he's the only one slippery enough and with the connections and nous to do it at present. When it does, the Resource Restriction Agreement will go the way of the dodo too, the big teams will outspend and consequently outdevelop the little ones and we'll be back to Ferrari, McLaren et al (the rich teams) buying development/performance gains and the little teams (Caterham, Sauber, probably Marussia) on the verge of extinction much of the time.One can hope, anyway. As is, the formula is getting closer and closer to a spec racing series with very expensive engines for not much more performance than something like GP2. It's sad, really.
CraigyMc said:
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I'd actually quite like to see a series where different cars are better or worse on different circuits - I liked it when Ferrari were running V12s against the Benetton's Ford V8, and other players V10s. When I say "different cars", I really mean it - fundamentally different architectures.
It meant the Ferraris did well at tracks where top end power was needed (eg. Monza), and the Benetton did well at circuits that demanded tractibility (eg. Hungary, Monaco). Nobody dominated a season, but on a given track certain cars dominated.
I'd actually quite like to see a series where different cars are better or worse on different circuits - I liked it when Ferrari were running V12s against the Benetton's Ford V8, and other players V10s. When I say "different cars", I really mean it - fundamentally different architectures.
It meant the Ferraris did well at tracks where top end power was needed (eg. Monza), and the Benetton did well at circuits that demanded tractibility (eg. Hungary, Monaco). Nobody dominated a season, but on a given track certain cars dominated.
This is why for the past decade and a half or so I've preferred GT racing over formula series and touring cars. I like to see different configurations and engineering traditions being put to the test next to each other. And on a more superficial level, as I can't really see much of the drivers when they're in the cars I like the cars to have different 'characters' in looks, sounds and behaviour. AlexS said:
simonpeter said:
Mercedes cakewalk number 7. Previously known as the Canadian GP. Can`t wait zzzzzzzzzzzzz
Last time I checked there were 22 cars on the grid, and based on the evidence of the last 6 races there will be plenty of racing throughout the field.Granted we're not gifted the spectacle of Bahrain each race but it's about as good a season as we've had in the last while.
Are fans really missing the point? Racing going on through the field, yes there is, but can you remember any top driver being happy racing for a minor placing? We all know Nico Hulkenburg is way to good to be where he is, but will anyone remember if he never gets into a competitive car or has the results he deserves. We remember when Schuey finished behind Damon stuck in 5th gear, sure there have been great drives that hardly get noticed. Everyone remembers the winners, that is the nature of competition. What is so evident now is that the Mercedes is in a class of one. I`m sure the other 20 drivers are waiting for 2015.
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