The Official Canadian GP Thread 2014***SPOILERS***

[furtive]

Tony2or4 said:

What was the scene with the Chilton/Bianchi crash?

I thought, from the commentary, that Bianchi lost his rear,thereby sliding into Max, and causing both to crash.

So then why was Max judged to be at fault?

(Only just seen the race, so I've come onto this thread a bit late.)

It was Max that lost the rear and slid into Bianchi

[Tony2or4]

furtive said:

Tony2or4 said:

What was the scene with the Chilton/Bianchi crash?

I thought, from the commentary, that Bianchi lost his rear,thereby sliding into Max, and causing both to crash.

So then why was Max judged to be at fault?

(Only just seen the race, so I've come onto this thread a bit late.)

It was Max that lost the rear and slid into Bianchi

So did the BBC commentators get it wrong, or (more likely) did I mishear or misunderstand them?

[Blib]

Tony2or4 said:

furtive said:

Tony2or4 said:

What was the scene with the Chilton/Bianchi crash?

I thought, from the commentary, that Bianchi lost his rear,thereby sliding into Max, and causing both to crash.

So then why was Max judged to be at fault?

(Only just seen the race, so I've come onto this thread a bit late.)

It was Max that lost the rear and slid into Bianchi

So did the BBC commentators get it wrong, or (more likely) did I mishear or misunderstand them?

I watched the race on SKY. That channel showed replays of the incident from several angles. It was plain to all who saw them who was "at fault".

[SmoothCriminal]

Tony2or4 said:

furtive said:

Tony2or4 said:

What was the scene with the Chilton/Bianchi crash?

I thought, from the commentary, that Bianchi lost his rear,thereby sliding into Max, and causing both to crash.

So then why was Max judged to be at fault?

(Only just seen the race, so I've come onto this thread a bit late.)

It was Max that lost the rear and slid into Bianchi

So did the BBC commentators get it wrong, or (more likely) did I mishear or misunderstand them?

At first they were unsure.

But when the replay appeared from the rear of the incident they did state Chilton took out his team mate.

[Zoobeef]

RemarkLima said:

Zoobeef said:

Its a bit of a crap tally then as it could show someone having used 90% yet they have no fuel left.

Wonder if Hamilton starts with less fuel than Rosberg as they have enough race info now to show he consistently uses less.

But it's not a display of %age of fuel used, it's a display of kg's of fuel used. The fact they're allowed a maximum of 100kg's just makes it seem like a %age.

Either way it's pointless if you don't know how much they have in the car to start with.

[PhillipM]

Max seems to have caught some Maldonado Syndrome - he already made himself look a right tit wiping both his teams cars out at the start of the race, to start blaming someone else for it when he blatantly ran out of talent just makes him sound a fool.

[hairyben]

jsf said:

The only point on the circuit that matters with regards to the DRS enabling is the DRS detection line. If you are within 1 second of the car in front at that line, you get to use DRS at the DRS activation point.

Rosberg managed to keep Perez more than 1 second back at the DRS detection line, which was just before the hairpin. The activation line is well past the hairpin, so DRS doesn't then open until later in the straight, then again on the pit straight, if you were closer than 1 second at the detection line.

So Perez never got to use the DRS on Rosberg as although he was 0.6 seconds behind at the finish line of the lap, by the time he was at the detection line he was back by typically 1.3 seconds as the Mercedes was much faster in the corners of sector 1 and 2.

As soon as Riciardo got past Perez, he was able to match the Mercedes in sector 1 and 2, and was then able to be closer than 1 second at the detection point, it was then plain sailing to make the pass on Rosberg on the straight.

Perez just wasn't smart enough to try something different (for example with the deployable power reserve) to get him into position to make the pass, but his straightline speed was too much for the following cars to pass him. But for that I think rosberg might have ended up about 6th!

At risk of entering whiney fanboi nonsense territory I thought rosberg seemed a bit aloof after the race/on the podium, he didn't seem to think dannys first win was something he should be helping mark the occasion, evan vettel who should have every reason to be annoyed put it aside and was giving danny massive props.

[funkyrobot]

PhillipM said:

Max seems to have caught some Maldonado Syndrome - he already made himself look a right tit wiping both his teams cars out at the start of the race, to start blaming someone else for it when he blatantly ran out of talent just makes him sound a fool.

I thought he sounded like a spoilt child throwing his toys out of the pram. Came across as being quite arrogant in the interview after the incident.

[anonymous-user]

Both marusia cars entered that corner sideways with the rear sliding. Had max not hit bianci, bianci was well on his way to spinning potentially into the path of the following cars. The sky slowmo showed that quite clearly.

What has not yet been shown is the lead up to that corner but it looks to me that bianci was trying an ambitious overtake round the outside and was part of the reason for that crash.

[Blib]

jsf said:

Both marusia cars entered that corner sideways with the rear sliding. Had max not hit bianci, bianci was well on his way to spinning potentially into the path of the following cars. The sky slowmo showed that quite clearly.

What has not yet been shown is the lead up to that corner but it looks to me that bianci was trying an ambitious overtake round the outside and was part of the reason for that crash.

And if my aunt had had bks, she'd be my uncle.

[egor110]

PhillipM said:

Max seems to have caught some Maldonado Syndrome - he already made himself look a right tit wiping both his teams cars out at the start of the race, to start blaming someone else for it when he blatantly ran out of talent just makes him sound a fool.

2 seasons and this is his 1st dnf, can't be many others with that record.

[PhillipM]

egor110 said:

2 seasons and this is his 1st dnf, can't be many others with that record.

How many others can put their dnf's down to either car reliability or, you know, actually driving fast?

[PhillipM]

jsf said:

but it looks to me that bianci was trying an ambitious overtake round the outside and was part of the reason for that crash.

Regardless of what Bianci was or wasn't doing at the time, Max slid sideways into him, ergo, he should man up and say sorry, not start blaming everything under the sun but himself. Bianci was right at the outside edge of the track, about as far out of his way as possible.

[anonymous-user]

PhillipM said:

Regardless of what Bianci was or wasn't doing at the time, Max slid sideways into him, ergo, he should man up and say sorry, not start blaming everything under the sun but himself. Bianci was right at the outside edge of the track, about as far out of his way as possible.

Why was max and bianci sliding? Until better footage is shown we dont know.

[Durzel]

funkyrobot said:

I thought he sounded like a spoilt child throwing his toys out of the pram. Came across as being quite arrogant in the interview after the incident.

A guy who is in F1 by the grace of his father's wealth sounding like a spoilt child? *monocle falls off*

[DKL]

Is there any video of Button's last couple of laps?
Wouldn't mind seeing where he gained 4 places - well 2 are obvious but the others aren't.

[anonymous-user]

jsf said:

PhillipM said:

Regardless of what Bianci was or wasn't doing at the time, Max slid sideways into him, ergo, he should man up and say sorry, not start blaming everything under the sun but himself. Bianci was right at the outside edge of the track, about as far out of his way as possible.

Why was max and bianci sliding? Until better footage is shown we dont know.

Does it really matter? It's clear that Max lost control and slid into Bianchi, in the end. That's all that matters. Whatever happened leading up to it should have been manageable to any competent driver. Probably why Max fked up.

He was full of himself by being a hundredth faster than Bianchi in quali (ignoring the fact that Bianchi missed just about all of P2 and suffered recurring engine issues) so was probably a bit pissed off to be overtaken by the third turn.

[ewenm]

DKL said:

Is there any video of Button's last couple of laps?
Wouldn't mind seeing where he gained 4 places - well 2 are obvious but the others aren't.

Alonso and Hulkenberg both went wide at the hairpin on the penultimate lap so Button jumped past, then Massa and Perez crashed so JB could just cruise the last lap.

[NRS]

Jasandjules said:

Vettel - I don't think it was pure luck he avoided the crash you know, I actually think he saw Massa flying along and steered right to avoid it. In car footage looks like that to me.
Oh and I am most impressed with how pleased he was for Ric.

I'm almost certain that was the case too. The very short clip I saw looked like he jinked to the side a bit.

Finlandese said:

coetzeeh said:

From reading comments here and watching the race my understanding of Lewis' brake issue was as a result of:

Running behind Nico (less cooling), using rear brake bias (compared to Nico) which bit him in the backside when the electrical failure took place as there was reduced engine braking and hence having to over work the brakes.

Last straw was pitting (and the entrance is off a high speed section) - and we know brake disc temps will continue to increase for some time after a high speed stop.

Nico on the other hand ran in clean air and had a more forward brake bias which meant his rear brake problem was not as pronounced by the time he pitted and he was able to save the car.

Simples

+1

But you're blaming Hamilton for that when he didn't have so much choice in the matter. His driving style is using the rear brakes more, running in dirty air and the pit stop. He couldn't avoid the pitstop and he should have been told to put the brake bias to the front by his team if there was an issue there. He (as far as I am aware) doesn't have that information. The only reason Nico got it was that they had seen what happened to Hamilton. Also for the comments about him backing off - he did that while waiting for the decision about the potential penalty. The rest of the time he had to be close for trying to pass (which he did). So without the brake temperature data there was not much else he could do.

And yes, Nico did well. But obviously something sorted itself out at some point, as he and Hamilton were doing 1.21's and 1.22's when the problem became apparent. I do think he did well to adapt, but there is no way he improved to 1.19's just by adapting his driving.

[AreOut]

NRS said:

And yes, Nico did well. But obviously something sorted itself out at some point, as he and Hamilton were doing 1.21's and 1.22's when the problem became apparent. I do think he did well to adapt, but there is no way he improved to 1.19's just by adapting his driving.

if course, it was also by adapting brake bias (also he has asked via radio what brake bias is LH running...)