The Official Canadian GP Thread 2014***SPOILERS***
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PhillipM said:
egor110 said:
2 seasons and this is his 1st dnf, can't be many others with that record.
How many others can put their dnf's down to either car reliability or, you know, actually driving fast?Re his speed he can only drive the car he's given, if your comparing his car to hamiltons or the redbulls then that's just a idiotic comparison.
AreOut said:
NRS said:
And yes, Nico did well. But obviously something sorted itself out at some point, as he and Hamilton were doing 1.21's and 1.22's when the problem became apparent. I do think he did well to adapt, but there is no way he improved to 1.19's just by adapting his driving.
if course, it was also by adapting brake bias (also he has asked via radio what brake bias is LH running...)I'm fairly sure that there are fail safe mechanisms in place, and I suspect these were activated quite quickly once the problem manifested itself. I think both cars were very lucky that it was the Control Electronics that failed and not actually the MGU-K (or even the MGU-H), so they could manage it whilst on track. If the latter, I'm sure it would have resulted in certain double DNF for Merc (ETA: actually having a think...MGU-H seems more essential). Pretty impressive by Nico though to manage the issue, although perhaps not as terrible as it could have been. Nikki Lauda seems to think he did alright:
Lauda said:
“Nico drove like a god, absolutely world champion class.”
Edited by Dr Z on Tuesday 10th June 18:37
egor110 said:
You can spin the story all you want , fact is 2 seasons and 1 dnf.
Re his speed he can only drive the car he's given, if your comparing his car to hamiltons or the redbulls then that's just a idiotic comparison.
Fact is, he wiped his team-mate out and then blamed the guy he ran into for it.Re his speed he can only drive the car he's given, if your comparing his car to hamiltons or the redbulls then that's just a idiotic comparison.
So just like most racing drivers then ; I have actually been very impressed with Chilton; he's not going to win races but to finish so many GPs without being a mobile chicane is an achievement worth mentioning . The hostility towards him seems to be because his Dad is rich- obviously the son's fault.
NRS said:
But you're blaming Hamilton for that when he didn't have so much choice in the matter. His driving style is using the rear brakes more, running in dirty air and the pit stop. He couldn't avoid the pitstop and he should have been told to put the brake bias to the front by his team if there was an issue there. He (as far as I am aware) doesn't have that information. The only reason Nico got it was that they had seen what happened to Hamilton. Also for the comments about him backing off - he did that while waiting for the decision about the potential penalty. The rest of the time he had to be close for trying to pass (which he did). So without the brake temperature data there was not much else he could do.
And yes, Nico did well. But obviously something sorted itself out at some point, as he and Hamilton were doing 1.21's and 1.22's when the problem became apparent. I do think he did well to adapt, but there is no way he improved to 1.19's just by adapting his driving.
According to Toto Wolf both drivers were told what settings to use and both complied with the instructions. Both had the initial failure at the same time and Hamilton´s brake failure came ten laps later. Lewis had the choice of continuing to fight for the lead with a damaged car against a team mate with a damaged car, or concentrate on nursing the car to the finish. Considering that Nico´s situation was probably marginally better due driving in clean air and with the benefit of the hindsight he might have made the wrong decision.And yes, Nico did well. But obviously something sorted itself out at some point, as he and Hamilton were doing 1.21's and 1.22's when the problem became apparent. I do think he did well to adapt, but there is no way he improved to 1.19's just by adapting his driving.
As far as the lap times go, nothing sorted itself out in either car. According to Nico, the lap time improvment came from re-learning the circuit with reduced top speeds (different braking points, etc.). Just like with Schumacher in a Benetton stuck in 5th gear, it was suprising how fast he could go after adjusting to new circumstances.
Edited by Finlandese on Tuesday 10th June 19:27
PhillipM said:
egor110 said:
You can spin the story all you want , fact is 2 seasons and 1 dnf.
Re his speed he can only drive the car he's given, if your comparing his car to hamiltons or the redbulls then that's just a idiotic comparison.
Fact is, he wiped his team-mate out and then blamed the guy he ran into for it.Re his speed he can only drive the car he's given, if your comparing his car to hamiltons or the redbulls then that's just a idiotic comparison.
You have to be selfish and bloody minded to get to the level he is.
AreOut said:
NRS said:
And yes, Nico did well. But obviously something sorted itself out at some point, as he and Hamilton were doing 1.21's and 1.22's when the problem became apparent. I do think he did well to adapt, but there is no way he improved to 1.19's just by adapting his driving.
if course, it was also by adapting brake bias (also he has asked via radio what brake bias is LH running...)REALIST123 said:
jsf said:
PhillipM said:
Regardless of what Bianci was or wasn't doing at the time, Max slid sideways into him, ergo, he should man up and say sorry, not start blaming everything under the sun but himself. Bianci was right at the outside edge of the track, about as far out of his way as possible.
Why was max and bianci sliding? Until better footage is shown we dont know.
ked up.He was full of himself by being a hundredth faster than Bianchi in quali (ignoring the fact that Bianchi missed just about all of P2 and suffered recurring engine issues) so was probably a bit pissed off to be overtaken by the third turn.
I am not saying Max didn't have some blame, but it may just be the case Bianci had equal blame, as yet we haven't seen enough to say either way. It's pretty unfair to blame the guy solely for the crash based on what has been shown on the world feed.
jsf said:
Of course it matters. Just because you saw the end result doesn't mean you understood the cause. Someone overtaking you then slamming on the ankers as they pull in with no gap given to you could mean you take that person out and are sliding all over the place in the process, doesn't mean it's entirely your fault now does it.
How can he give him no room when he's so far on the outside of the corner his rear wheel is straddling the white line, exactly?Max, is that you, or is it Daddy?
REALIST123 said:
egor110 said:
You have to be selfish and bloody minded to get to the level he is.
Not really. You can just buy your way there, as he and others have done.if his seat was paid for so what , that's the way motor sports is now sorry if i've burst your bubble.
coppice said:
So just like most racing drivers then ; I have actually been very impressed with Chilton; he's not going to win races but to finish so many GPs without being a mobile chicane is an achievement worth mentioning . The hostility towards him seems to be because his Dad is rich- obviously the son's fault.
In his defence he is now matching Bianchi on qualifying and race pace... So either the highly rated future Ferrari driver is actually pretty crap or Max is better than he gets credit for. I think he's improved a hell of a lot and good on him.DanielSan said:
In his defence he is now matching Bianchi on qualifying and race pace... So either the highly rated future Ferrari driver is actually pretty crap or Max is better than he gets credit for. I think he's improved a hell of a lot and good on him.
Max is a fairly decent driver in my eyes, won 2 races in GP2 in 2012, including a commanding victory around Singapore. He's kept his highly rated team mate fairly honest this year. Canada was the first time he's binned it in almost a season and a half (Unlike his equivalent in the Caterham). He might have a rich dad, but you don't get into F1 from being poor unless you are exceptionally gifted (or of the right ethnicity) and a manufacturer takes you on board.
Theres been a heck of a lot worse drivers in F1 over the years, and i'd say theres a few worse ones currently in F1 than our Max.
mattshiz said:
DanielSan said:
In his defence he is now matching Bianchi on qualifying and race pace... So either the highly rated future Ferrari driver is actually pretty crap or Max is better than he gets credit for. I think he's improved a hell of a lot and good on him.
Max is a fairly decent driver in my eyes, won 2 races in GP2 in 2012, including a commanding victory around Singapore. He's kept his highly rated team mate fairly honest this year. Canada was the first time he's binned it in almost a season and a half (Unlike his equivalent in the Caterham). He might have a rich dad, but you don't get into F1 from being poor unless you are exceptionally gifted (or of the right ethnicity) and a manufacturer takes you on board.
Theres been a heck of a lot worse drivers in F1 over the years, and i'd say theres a few worse ones currently in F1 than our Max.
I put it down to that strange british trait of hating anyone more privileged than yourself.
LaurasOtherHalf said:
mattshiz said:
DanielSan said:
In his defence he is now matching Bianchi on qualifying and race pace... So either the highly rated future Ferrari driver is actually pretty crap or Max is better than he gets credit for. I think he's improved a hell of a lot and good on him.
Max is a fairly decent driver in my eyes, won 2 races in GP2 in 2012, including a commanding victory around Singapore. He's kept his highly rated team mate fairly honest this year. Canada was the first time he's binned it in almost a season and a half (Unlike his equivalent in the Caterham). He might have a rich dad, but you don't get into F1 from being poor unless you are exceptionally gifted (or of the right ethnicity) and a manufacturer takes you on board.
Theres been a heck of a lot worse drivers in F1 over the years, and i'd say theres a few worse ones currently in F1 than our Max.
I put it down to that strange british trait of hating anyone more privileged than yourself.
Drivers who are there mostly on pay to drive contracts their whole careers never have had much admiration, no matter where they were born, be they Taki Inoue, Alex Yoong or Delatraz..
mattshiz said:
DanielSan said:
In his defence he is now matching Bianchi on qualifying and race pace... So either the highly rated future Ferrari driver is actually pretty crap or Max is better than he gets credit for. I think he's improved a hell of a lot and good on him.
Max is a fairly decent driver in my eyes, won 2 races in GP2 in 2012, including a commanding victory around Singapore. He's kept his highly rated team mate fairly honest this year. Canada was the first time he's binned it in almost a season and a half (Unlike his equivalent in the Caterham). He might have a rich dad, but you don't get into F1 from being poor unless you are exceptionally gifted (or of the right ethnicity) and a manufacturer takes you on board.
Theres been a heck of a lot worse drivers in F1 over the years, and i'd say theres a few worse ones currently in F1 than our Max.
I'm not sure there are worse drivers in F1 at the moment, but I agree there are some who similarly shouldn't be there. It doesn't take that much to potter about at the back of the field, keeping out of the way when being lapped.
It's supposed to be the world's leading single seat racing series, with the best drivers in the world. Max will never be seen as that and as long as his ilk is there the sport will be degraded.
Hopefully the headlines about Massa wanting Perez punished more is just publicity chasing to keep the interest level up until the return to Austria and not influenced by the Monza 2006? Q3 nonsense with Mosley getting Alonso penalised for stealing Massa's clean air?
It's racing, not arguing about some car park knock and doing it for cash to keep the insurers out of the loop.
It's racing, not arguing about some car park knock and doing it for cash to keep the insurers out of the loop.
I suppose this has been linked to already?:
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Roger, I used to have a colleague from London that used to have a Volvo, but pronounced as per your PH name.
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